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       在微博看到讨论在小红书看到吵俄耳浦斯冥界回头的。“深情人设”当然很莫名其妙，不过从爱的角度解读我觉得也是很现代的(没有不对的意思，文本总是在historical context下被阅读的，每一代读者都有不同的读法)。上一次查俄耳浦斯和欧律狄刻神话版本流变的时候，比现在我们熟悉的维吉尔版故事更早的柏拉图版倒是给了我一点古希腊人可能从什么角度解读的思路。柏拉图的会饮篇里借Phaedrus之口对这个故事发表了一番看法：[179d] In this manner even the gods give special honor to zeal and courage in concerns of love. But Orpheus, son of Oeagrus, they sent back with failure from Hades, showing him only a wraith of the woman for whom he came; her real self they would not bestow, for he was accounted to have gone upon a coward's quest, too like the minstrel that he was, and to have lacked the spirit to die as Alcestis did for the sake of love, when he contrived the means of entering Hades alive. Wherefore they laid upon him the penalty he deserved, and caused him to meet his death[179e] at the hands of women: whereas Achilles, son of Thetis, they honored and sent to his place in the Isles of the Blest, because having learnt from his mother that he would die as surely as he slew Hector, but if he slew him not, would return home and end his days an aged man, he bravely chose to go and rescue his lover Patroclus, [180a] avenged him, and sought death not merely in his behalf but in haste to be joined with him whom death had taken. For this the gods so highly admired him that they gave him distinguished honor, since he set so great a value on his lover.https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0174:text=Sym.:section=179d(另，阿喀琉斯是出于对帕特洛克罗斯的爱而宁可自己战死这个解读在今天也是很非主流了哈哈哈)这里把我们现在认为“深情”的部分反而视为一种不够真诚/勇敢：俄耳浦斯以生者之身企图从神手中带走/复活妻子，而非投身死亡去和她在冥界相聚。如果从这个角度看，俄耳浦斯进入冥界的故事和伊卡洛斯的故事倒有点相近了：对自身(能力)的傲慢而被惩罚。