Post B8y2JSdzgfTBOlFpZ2 by johnmark@freeradical.zone
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 (DIR) Post #B8wEVfuV03GT9Se3cW by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
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       @johnmark @mcc what exactly do you mean by "Russian math"?For me, Russian math is Konstantinov's sheets system https://embracing.space/@IngaLovinde/112688987986303776 , and it very much did _not_ ruin math for me.(I have no idea what "Kumon" is.)RT: https://embracing.space/users/IngaLovinde/statuses/112688987986303776
       
 (DIR) Post #B8wXWkZB4XjV0jtl7w by ShadSterling@mastodon.social
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       @IngaLovinde @johnmark @mcc I’m not familiar with either “kumon” or “Russian math” either, but IME in the U.S. assessing knowledge by an exhaustive presentation and Q&A is used for a Ph.D. thesis defense and almost nothing else.  It’s described as too expensive, and we would need to hire more teachers & professors to have enough teacher time per student to use it a lot more, but I think the current state of failing at education is much more expensive for society
       
 (DIR) Post #B8wxooGSevDoV8Pr9c by johnmark@freeradical.zone
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       @IngaLovinde @mcc I'm talking about cram schools that kids go to after regular school, just like Kumon. All the rich parents in the suburbs drive their big SUVs to the front of the school and drop off their kids and then pick them up again. It's for parents who are willing to pay extra to give their kids an "edge"
       
 (DIR) Post #B8xDwwnmOpwSYwu1xI by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
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       @johnmark @mcc this sounds extremely unlike Russia, at least like 15 years ago (not sure if things have changed significantly since then). So not sure why are you calling it "Russian math".In Russia, "rich parents in suburbs" are a tiny tiny minority (most suburbs are for people who cannot afford living in the city proper), and it's level of "rich" where they live in gated communities and send their kids to expensive private schools and also hire private tutors. While the handful of schools with the best math education are all public, and very much not posh enough for these people (in my class out of ~25 people I think maybe only two or three were from somewhat rich families; but still nowhere rich enough to own an SUV, just "rich" in a sense "not as poor as the average"... like not counting every single cent, being able to buy snacks on top of eating standard school canteen fare that was free, having a pager (by the moment we were graduating in 2004) but not a cell phone of course, etc).Also the "rich parents in suburbs" would typically never think that a good education (especially in math lol) would give their kids an "edge". Their kids would get an "edge" by socializing and networking with kids of other rich people, not by having good math knowledge.
       
 (DIR) Post #B8xjbdzGM2Pgf59wkC by johnmark@freeradical.zone
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       @IngaLovinde @mcc I think it's very different - these schools are branding themselves as "Russian math". In the US there's a whole industry dedicated to helping your child get into the most prestigious colleges. It's extremely competitive, and some parents pay tens of thousands of $$$ per year to boost their kid's performance - professional writing tutors, cram schools, college consultants, etc - there's no shortage of ways to separate parents from their money
       
 (DIR) Post #B8xoVwjKFt6epDo7nc by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
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       @johnmark @mcc I don't think there is anything Russian about that
       
 (DIR) Post #B8y2JSdzgfTBOlFpZ2 by johnmark@freeradical.zone
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       @IngaLovinde @mcc exactly :(