Post B7Q8ryDFK1FsQpQLIm by etchedpixels@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #B7PKYJo6KTYBuE69xY by dangillmor@mastodon.social
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       Netgear just informed users of its older Orbi mesh routers that the gear had reached "end of lifecycle" -- another way to say "arbitrary end of security updates". Options? None really, except to buy new routers or eventually be hacked.Do you own an EV? It'll work until the car maker says it won't.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PM8Q2whzF7dVotUW by dangillmor@mastodon.social
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       @Salty Same principle. EVs are controlled by software, and manufacturer controls the software.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PMK2xCOO3FUTfz8K by thomasbeagle@mastodon.nz
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       @dangillmor EVs aren't inherently connected, just like any other car. The one I'm getting isn't.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PMQZxYafyvarxUQ4 by lupus_blackfur@mastodon.world
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       @dangillmor FUCKING EXACTLY why I will never own one...Or any other new vehicle since all brands are leaning heavily into the "feature subscription" business model...FUCK. RIGHT. OFF.🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤡🫏🖕🖕💩💩
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PNZWXml8AxYojWU4 by GeoWend@kosmos.social
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       @dangillmor   for routers, look at https://openwrt.org
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PUMRacZDpC6rlmZk by antdude@mastodon.social
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       @dangillmor which older Orbis? I didnt get any notices
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PV4ovf9YFhEllvo8 by rouxdoo@mastodon.social
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       @dangillmor OpenWrt is the answer here. My last Netgear router (3-5 years ago) had plenty of ram and CPU to easily run openwrt  but I chose to replace with ubiquity/unify gear instead of doing that because I wanted the flexibility and could afford  the upgrade.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PXtrZFIpz265km8m by Downes@mastodon.social
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       @dangillmor why would this be specific to EVs?
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PXzB3mG2tM03ZIuG by dangillmor@mastodon.social
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       @Downes it isn't.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PjdfQbrqxzGSl2Se by mikej@mastodon.online
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       @dangillmor ICE cars have just as many computers as EVs do.  Don't think that this is restricted to EVs.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7PpHdoFnwS3bAhIki by j_s_j@mastodon.social
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       @dangillmor Why drag EVs into this? Virtually all cars are rolling computers today
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Q5SzNvWiIUxuofLs by puck@mastodon.nz
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       @dangillmor This is sadly very very common.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Q65qsN632HrwaUl6 by wonka@chaos.social
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       @dangillmor Why the limitation to EVs? Current ICE vehicles are also mandated to have IT systems.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Q67cWtPJDNxBNtYG by wonka@chaos.social
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       ICE vehicles are too.@dangillmor @Salty
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Q7oCKgmY8H6zXhjc by dzwiedziu@mastodon.social
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       @dangillmor> Do you own an EV? It'll work until the car maker says it won't.That software can be riddled with holes so badly, that I expect custom firmware.Today you can check if you can remove the modem.https://arkadiyt.com/2026/05/13/removing-the-modem-and-gps-from-my-rav4/
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Q8YdwUSi1O3wN2rQ by kithrup@wandering.shop
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       @dangillmor Hey, dan, I once subscribed to the Mercury News, so you should write me a 500 page essay on the economics of software updates in embedded space. Naturally, I won't pay for this, 'cause I did pay you once.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Q8ryDFK1FsQpQLIm by etchedpixels@mastodon.social
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       @dangillmor @Salty so do petrol cars these days. In fact if anything is more so as there are no new petrol cars too cheap to bother including all that crap
       
 (DIR) Post #B7QPgcXbFrrzFm7Nrc by mattsqu@chitter.xyz
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       @dangillmor Although car manufacturers can’t get away with dangerous products, look at the recalls for 20 year old takata airbags. So they might be in for a rude awakening if they have vulnerabilities that are getting people killed or injured.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7Rpmi1uYIQRyrossK by oneiromanticor@chaos.social
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       @dangillmorThat applies to any modern vehicle. Hell, nowadays you buy cars with everything the premium version boasts pre-installed and pay a monthly fee to keep individual things activated. We need the right to legally hack such bollock.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7SYmcMddKemINI9gG by llorenzin@infosec.exchange
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       @dangillmor have you looked at the Slate EV? https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/06/slate-says-its-electric-pickup-will-never-track-you/No modem, very tempting.  We already have a road trip car, so this looks like it'd be perfect for errands and general in-town use...
       
 (DIR) Post #B7T5cv3QaOQPqyI0Gm by oof@mastodon.sdf.org
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       @dangillmor One possibility for keeping a set of vulnerable Orbi routers going would be to put them behind another more suitable internet facing router.   If it's likely that the Orbis are in no danger from local users...