Post B6ccckAh12QZfmKhM0 by lumi@snug.moe
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 (DIR) Post #B6ccWomuwGLQFlO1qK by 2something@transfem.social
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       Jorge Castro, one of the developers working on the next iteration of flatpak, says that "of course" flatpak 2.0 will depend on SystemD.  Moreover, he thinks this dependence is so obvious that it was wrong of me to even ask.https://hachyderm.io/@jorge/116619028047490652Archive link:https://megalodon.jp/2026-0523-0312-41/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116619028047490652The current version of flatpak does not depend on any init system.  This lack of SystemD dependence is one of the advantages flatpak currently has over its rival snap.  The "flatpak setup" page on flatpak.org endorses the use of flatpak on distros without SystemD, such as Alpine, Void, Guix, Slack, Pisi, Salix, and Gentoo.  Other distros without systemd encourage the use of flatpaks, including ChimeraThe decision to add a dependency which cuts off many distros currently using flatpak, including those which the flatpak developers themselves advertise as supporting flatpak, is a surprise.  It also seems contrary to the stated mission of flatpak, which is to be a single package format that works on all Linux distros.Moreover, this decision comes at what seems like the worst possible time.  SystemD recently started AI-ifing, and adding plumbing for surveillance age censorship (far beyond what any laws require of them), leading to an increased number of users who want to stop using it, including users like me who previously didn't care about init systems.EDIT: The develper in question has doubled-down, including claiming that "modern Linux" has "only SystemD."https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-0336-55/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116625264102622684https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-0337-21/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116625260525826470https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-0338-32/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116625256540295585https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-0338-49/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116625308101601470https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-0339-06/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116625329112111399I should clarify that Jorge is just one person involved in flatpak development.  It is currently unclear to what extent his statements reflect the position of the whole flatpak development team.EDIT 2: And now he's moved to gaslighting.https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-1008-26/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116626198724098296https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-1008-40/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116626278544247845https://megalodon.jp/2026-0524-1008-55/https://hachyderm.io:443/@jorge/116626299556869473-----------------------------------------------------------------------So now I have to figure out what distro I am going to run.  I currently use Debian Trixie, and rely on flatpak to get updated applications.  Trixie has a pre-AI version of SystemD.  I had considered trying to replace SystemD on Debian with OpenRC, but if I would lose access to flatpak apps then staying on Debian at all seems a lot less appealing.I had also been seriously considering switching to @alpinelinux@fosstodon.org , because their native package manager is really fast, stable, and awesome.  But their package repository is a lot smaller than other distros, so I'm not sure I'd want to use it without flatpak.I am now more seriously considering switching to @VoidLinux@chaos.social .  I wanted a stable base system with frequently updated applications, but if that's not an option I'd settle for a rolling distro that tries to be somewhat stable.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6cccjxZnnw516CDuS by Isofruit@mastodon.social
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       @2something Is he a flatpak dev? All I've seen and from all the info I have aware he's a distro maintainer for bluefin and that's pretty much it. Though he likely agrees with the dependency on systemd since he seems to be an advocate, but I have no info going beyond that.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6ccckAh12QZfmKhM0 by lumi@snug.moe
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       @Isofruit @2something i feel like even if someone is a systemd advocate, they should want diversitymonoculture are bad