Post B6UAiGBl3Ip4RHzffc by nokke@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #B6Tqq2K2Ud5mfOIWsS by delta@chaos.social
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While onboarding is extremely easy, the real challenge is to find initial contacts or circles to chat with. There is no discovery and no central registry. Every new chat profile is private and nobody knows about it other than your contacts. So we are curious. What is the current number of chats (1:1 or group chats or channels) you have with #deltachat apps? Not contacts but chats you have read or wrote something into, in the last months.If you are not using delta, please ignore this poll :)
(DIR) Post #B6Ts46XvgWMrm94DGy by ALT43@mastodon.social
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@delta -> 0
(DIR) Post #B6Tsvj4p9xk8ck1Q24 by delta@chaos.social
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@sirjofri indeed, we are just asking those who use it. There are billions of people who don't use it. We know that :)
(DIR) Post #B6TtDBtbGTGSvY6FOa by cyb3rrunn3r@cyb3rrunn3r.de
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@delta@chaos.social For ME one thing is Missing: "Below 2" oder "None - without myself". 😔Same with Simplex. I have them installed - that's all.
(DIR) Post #B6TtDC5eXeuDWvjsBM by delta@chaos.social
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@cyb3rrunn3r sure, feel free to just not answer or the below 5 option. We have indeed heard from people who use it only with themselves, multi device, for synchronized note keeping, file transfer, calendar etc, all end to end encrypted. And of course there are also many who don't use it at all, but this is not the topic of the poll. Could have made this clearer.
(DIR) Post #B6TterWYbERvr0W4ie by delta@chaos.social
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@sirjofri chatting and interacting with oneself is maybe undervalued? :)
(DIR) Post #B6TtjgRFF8rQv7KYS0 by dnlbrnds@social.coop
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@delta having an account but no contacts is entirely possible @sirjofri
(DIR) Post #B6Tu2nFAAMIpWnn8dc by lig@fosstodon.org
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@delta I don't think discovery (or the lack of it) is the reason. I don't use discovery on other platforms anyway. Well, people use discovery to find me by my phone number on Whatsapp but that's usually for one-time chats like delivery or booking confirmations. The main platform I use for messaging friends and family is Telegram. And I have unknown contacts denied there.
(DIR) Post #B6Tu2npfybVfM2sIYC by lig@fosstodon.org
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@delta I think, Delta lacks personal identity. Meaning a porpoise, use case, that could be associated with Delta as the one that Delta fits the best.The moment that identity is found the rest of development could focus on delivering maximum usability for that use case. As for me, I use Delta as a safe family chat server on an isolated self-hosted instance. This is the only chat app allowed for my younger child on their phone.
(DIR) Post #B6TwQ9NuDDkOlY97ey by gluek@mastodon.social
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@delta 100+ (and group chats make up half of it)
(DIR) Post #B6U0AIYWkHJQOSoKxs by scotty86@mastodon.social
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@delta That's privacy by design. Love it.If you want random ppl to contact you, feel free to publish an invitation link. 🤷
(DIR) Post #B6U2FgfIjdGMWVg1Fw by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@delta To be precise: 1. But I get a lot of penis enlargement, and blue pills offers. Also requests to "verify" my address to receive packages, I'm not aware of.The issue is, that most effective traditional e-Mail spam filters introduce delays, that many users deem unacceptable for a chat.#deltachat
(DIR) Post #B6U2cskfxlzqfbFcHI by doclomieu@masto.es
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@delta Usually three, but those are the friends I’ve managed to persuade to use Delta Chat. I’d like to use it more, but for now I have to make do with just a few chats.
(DIR) Post #B6U42KI6oGnrH7aMVs by delta@chaos.social
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@cdonat are you using a classic email address or a chatmail relay? Chatmail relays don't allow unencrypted messages, which filters out spam completely. But a chatmail relay address will only be able to talk to Delta Chat users, not classic email users. Here you can pick one: https://chatmail.at/relays
(DIR) Post #B6U9H7gqRSduJB1xHk by URH1@mastodon.social
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@delta I use it also for reading some RSS-Feeds and for receiving some Status-Mails (unencrypted)
(DIR) Post #B6U9nQb5gHBgDMk8u0 by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@delta I'm using a normal email address. And for the time being it'll stay that way - for different reasons. Though it is a mail address, I exclusively use for Delta Chat.If you are aware, what I could add to my procmail file, to also filter out non-encrypted messages, that would be a huge help.
(DIR) Post #B6UAiGBl3Ip4RHzffc by nokke@mstdn.social
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@delta I have so far found that just getting people to try ("I don't want to install another app") is my hurdle - even the tech friends. People have IM exhaustion (and have for years, Signal fought the same problem forever, still does). When you have to convince your nerd friends to even try, it's exhausting. I don't have a great answer. 😕
(DIR) Post #B6UBpfBWcCP5wdykDI by Kdude@mastodon.social
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@delta to be honest, i mainly stopped using it as my main because Signal is just easier to use;Like marking messages as “read” from Apple Watch, or replying with 👍🏼…
(DIR) Post #B6UGJ4YZlJBeqg2VSi by cehteh@karlsruhe-social.de
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@delta The important point here is that #deltachat is a private messenger, not a public messenger and not a social network. Others fill that role already. Discoverability should stay in the hands of each individual user. That saied, it would be nice to have some kind of WoT so that one can announce his delta contact publicly and only people for whom a trust relationship can be established pass a pre-check for a contact request, so no spam should become possible.
(DIR) Post #B6UHbIeED5AjiawFpw by smalldog@social.smalldog.club
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@delta right now it's just me and the family plus one other. I'm totally OK with that. Maybe later on some others. I know when a message comes in on Delta to pay attention.
(DIR) Post #B6UceY4tObihTonj6W by multed@silverbay.space
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@delta 10+
(DIR) Post #B6V4SiMk7Kv4d3IP5c by digitalprivacy@fosstodon.org
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@cdonat @delta Instead of using the inbox you could use the DeltaChat folder - somewhere in the settings of the deltachat client.Otherwise, you'll need to fight the spam with your email provider. Its not related to deltachat.
(DIR) Post #B6V4Sio2Tqknzi4CdU by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@digitalprivacy @delta How does the mail get into that DeltaChat folder? How does that get rid of the spam?About where I'd have to change things: guess why I asked for any knowledge about the procmail file for DeltaChat. That is a standard way to tell a mail server, how to handle incoming mail.Yes, that could also move mail to the DeltaChat-Folder, BTW. But it has to know which.
(DIR) Post #B6V4SjDYwxAdGs0aQ4 by digitalprivacy@fosstodon.org
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@cdonat @delta Not sure if your provider allows it but you could add a sieve filter and move your specific emails to the deltachat folder automatically.
(DIR) Post #B6V4SjPyCp5xtLoUl6 by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@digitalprivacy @delta And how do I detect non-Spam messages. That is the question.
(DIR) Post #B6V4SjbJWeAYSX7YRM by digitalprivacy@fosstodon.org
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@cdonat @delta Do you use delta chat as your email client?It sounds like you get a lot of spam and your email provider can't handle it. Might be better to use another email provider. It's also good to change your email address every now and then.But to answer your question, you'll need to adjust the sieve filter yourself. Whatever most wording you have in your spam mails you create/adjust your sieve filter.
(DIR) Post #B6V4SjnimW5t50vSmO by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@digitalprivacy @delta No, I don't use DeltaChat as my email client. In my normal mail-account I have quite some spam filtering active, but that adds latency, that generally isn't accepted in a chat by my communication partners.I have an email-address, that is exclusively used for DeltaChat. I partially own my email provider, and therefore won't use a different one.And the real question, you didn't answer again: how do I distinguish valid DeltaChat messages from spam?1/2
(DIR) Post #B6V4SjzQ51S3fIOo0u by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@digitalprivacy @delta Before @delta responded, that a Chatmail-server only forwards encrypted messages.So it is possible to detect valid DeltaChat messages by looking for encryption with relative ease. Therefore it should as well be possible to implement that with procmail, or sieve.My only question is how to do that detection. As soon as I have that, I can adapt the procmail file myself.Alas you're just adding useless noise. I get, that you''re trying to help.2/2
(DIR) Post #B6V4SkBpKtNOHmCiLw by delta@chaos.social
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@cdonat @digitalprivacy chatmail relays use this small rust program to filter out unencrypted messages: github.com/chatmail/filtermailyou can hook it into postfix like this: https://github.com/chatmail/relay/blob/main/cmdeploy/src/cmdeploy/postfix/master.cf.j2
(DIR) Post #B6V4aOaLXqdFb5JzNY by cdonat@hostsharing.coop
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@delta @digitalprivacy That's perfect. Exactly, what I was looking for, thank you very much.
(DIR) Post #B6XEJJzaktcGHtXxS4 by fluttersh@pony.social
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@delta more group chats!!!
(DIR) Post #B6YvTZIdBn5nqQXpI0 by Dima812@mastodon.de
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@delta Hello! Thank you for the app. I've been using it for a few months now and I like everything. But my friends really want the app to require a password when opened.