Post B5yhwr7XcGxSSss4gK by ireneista@irenes.space
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 (DIR) Post #B5yhwpIoNOmipG82yG by ireneista@irenes.space
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       @pinskia @lcamtuf yeah browsers are just too big to serve human purpose, in the end. we can't stake the future on monoliths.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwpbFGrWvkQklhg by r@glauca.space
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       @ireneista @pinskia @lcamtuf we've been increasingly thinking about a new attempt at extracting the "widget toolkit" and "advanced typography" bits out of a browser engine to be reused for native applications(totally vaporware idea, haven't even seriously started the research phase yet)
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwpvS3jh2l6CuCO by erincandescent@erincandescent.net
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       @r @ireneista @pinskia @lcamtuf any widget toolkit they have is heavily entangled with the HTML renderer, and the advanced typography is stuff like HarfBuzz
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwq7rJbcNNa0oXQ by q@glauca.space
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       @r @ireneista @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf HarfBuzz is perfectly usable on its own. It only took me a week of hair pulling to get it into an Metal renderer for Eurovision; even had proper RTL/LTR mixing and Emoji support
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwqMORZFC6eoQC0 by r@glauca.space
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       @q @ireneista @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf we were under the impression that browsers had additional "miscellaneous bullshit" such as font fallback selection and "OS-specific quirks" (we're not sure what if anything that actually refers to)
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwqchSwHuvERRbs by r@glauca.space
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       @q @ireneista @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf we know *for sure* that browsers get involved in "emoji presentation" because we reported a bug in that areaFirefox also has a hack workaround to ignore "Segoe UI Emoji" for country flags, specifically to fix Mastodon (and some other sites of this nature which use a "OS font stack" philosophy)
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwqu4QMBNn6ZJgW by r@glauca.space
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       @q @ireneista @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf 💭 y'know, with how much advanced typography browsers actually do support....we've seen an extremely stale and unimaginative set of UI/UX paradigms that take advantage of basically none of it
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwr7XcGxSSss4gK by ireneista@irenes.space
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       @r @q @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf yeah exactly.... it's no longer a generative process, in the social sense. new features no longer fire up public excitement to see what people can make with them.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5yhwrKepVRx7Z0Y7s by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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       @ireneistahot take: public excitement over a feature usually leads to bad decisions in the use of that feature@r @q @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf
       
 (DIR) Post #B5ynz3fOXb4VgD8hPs by ireneista@irenes.space
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       @wolf480pl @r @q @erincandescent @pinskia @lcamtuf right but likecreative excitement, we specifically mean
       
 (DIR) Post #B5ynz3vhYy7EUmlipk by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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       @ireneista hmm I don't think I understand the differencedo you mean like when experimenting with a new tool to see what can be done with it?