Post B5HghJxk9zp3X32Y52 by knowprose@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #B5HS9ZXQLVDKdOk652 by dangillmor@mastodon.social
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I understand but lament the choice so many thoughtful people have made to publish their newsletters on the odious Substack. Surely they recognize that they are, at least indirectly, helping some of the worst people in the world spread and monetize malignant views.https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:vaba7tf7ylt2kaavf4t2kotp/post/3mjfo4h6u7s2f
(DIR) Post #B5Hc3ZhboyhUwqHl7Q by sunflowerinrain@mastodon.online
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@dangillmor I have regretfully cancelled subscription to @BylineTimes because I can't bear to look at Substack.
(DIR) Post #B5Hd5kIhUK1oLqEYDY by BlizzardA@mastodon.social
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@dangillmor Substack is an algorithm cesspit of AI and conspiracy theorists. I thought was was becoming indy when I joined, now I'm back death-scrolling.
(DIR) Post #B5HdWbLmsAoMPZU1gm by 2ruth@mastodon.social
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@dangillmor just wondered if you have any suggestions for more ethical sites to share writing ... substack had been recommended to me as I wanted to start putting some of my work 'out there', but ethics are important to me
(DIR) Post #B5HghJxk9zp3X32Y52 by knowprose@mastodon.social
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@dangillmor I wish people would take on Stripe.Substack has great Palestinian content as well.In my mind, it's about who takes the money. Stripe. But that's perhaps too inconvenient for those that use Stripe.š
(DIR) Post #B5HkD5Fch1BN2AExrE by whatzaname@mstdn.social
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@dangillmorĀ i did have to block substack from loading or being suggested in searches. I find it more functional to focus my energy on things I want to see thrive. Depriving capitalists of profits and amplification is a major plus side of this approach. š
(DIR) Post #B5HkxPXfaE6tHolvii by govinda_hari@hostux.social
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@dangillmor No, they simply don't know. And probably 99% have never heard of Andrew Tate. I would not have heard of it if I had not seen it mentioned several times on posts like this, and eventually searched.
(DIR) Post #B5HltbLhqKLohWvJzM by nitinkhanna@mastodon.social
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@dangillmor if anyone needs help to set up Ghost for newsletters on @Pikapods for two and a half dollars per month, let me know! Itās absurdly good and easy and cheap!
(DIR) Post #B5Hnxcwg38x0icGQ2y by boelder@shakedown.social
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@dangillmor Why use Substack, when Ghost is right there...
(DIR) Post #B5HnzZscPybHn4IO1I by slowbiex@beige.party
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@dangillmor š @jaykuo maybe move over to beehive?
(DIR) Post #B5Hpqzi5DG8vCeP16G by Ralph@hear-me.social
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@dangillmor #alttext Kkottke.org @kottke.orgHey, look at Substack promoting Andrew Tate as the #1 new bestseller. The company's amoral leadership & backers will platform anyone, even ludicrously toxic rapists & human traffickers.New BestsellersSee allAndrew TateRick Perlstein RickipediaWajeeh LionHillary Kerr Hi Everyone with Hillary Kerr.
(DIR) Post #B5HprjQdETW2zqajHk by swggrkllr3rd@mastodon.world
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@dangillmor How the far right attack on reproductive rights went global. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWOnUaY4XY4
(DIR) Post #B5HqhuQ7buHw94EV7Y by zleap@techhub.social
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@dangillmor No wonder there is so much hatred of women and girls with this bigot at the top of the reading list.
(DIR) Post #B5HrNx8XtuGMjV3mAS by EricBono@vivaldi.net
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@dangillmor I don't think they do. Timothy Freaking Snyder remains on substack FFS.
(DIR) Post #B5Hw0T5DyMfEdM7xFg by Sassinake@mastodon.social
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@dangillmor I wish @rbreich and Sarah Kendzior would make the move.
(DIR) Post #B5I5EcbKHWmJnIxyfw by crazyeddie@mastodon.social
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@dangillmor One of the nearby Indivisible chapters actually moved their mailing list to substack. I offered my services for free to come up with an alternative because substack publishes Nazis. They later posted the last message to the old list that, "Many progressives use substack."They are of course correct. I left that group though. If I can't get your newsletter without signing up with Nazis...fuck your newsletter. For real.
(DIR) Post #B5IAliGEl7MKfuhV68 by jeridansky@sfba.social
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@dangillmor "so many thoughtful people" ā not thoughtful enough, it seems.
(DIR) Post #B5IhD5i2so8Fkdo4Ku by dangillmor@mastodon.social
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@2ruth beehiv, Ghost, WordPress, among others...
(DIR) Post #B5K3QLmuo5b9X3lvFY by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@dangillmor I guess this is the Nazi bar analogy, and I sort of get that. But I have a few questions.First, and I know this is a bit reductio ad absurdum, but bear with me, should we boycott comcast because they let Andrew Tate use their wires? If not, where is the dividing line?Second, I guess the argument here is that they are platforming an asshole, and using their non-asshole bloggers as leverage. Why doesn't this work in both directions? Can't I plunder Andrew Tate's followers?
(DIR) Post #B5K3QMIotT7R80hOym by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@dangillmor A related question is, given that substack actually appears to work better than its competitors, how much does it cost us to not use it, both in terms of ease of use and in terms of reach.And how much does it cost us to use it, in terms of the damage that their asshole users cause?Suppose the answer is that the cost of not using it outweighs the cost of using it. Should we still not use it? If so, why?
(DIR) Post #B5K3QMWe44B5otARWq by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@dangillmor I ask these questions because I know how easy it is to use substack, and also how easy it is to use alternatives like Ghost. I'm actually trying to decide what to do about thisāthis isn't an idle set of questions.Right now, it feels a lot like not using substack is similar to not flying to conferences. Airlines are actively harmful in the world, but we don't really have a viable alternative. Should we silence ourselves by not flying?
(DIR) Post #B5K3QMihLFoqQGo4Jc by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@dangillmor A lot of people I admire, e.g. Amanda Litman, Anand Ghiridaradas and Waleed Shahid, use substack. Why are you right and they are wrong?
(DIR) Post #B5K3QN3y4AphUEl3T6 by TheStoneDonkey@beige.party
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@abhayakara I always just do the best I can, it's impossible to boycott or move on from everything with shitty people on them or running them.I don't use any Meta products for example to the point I have a pihole to try and fully block their tracking.Ā I still use Google though they've proven time and time again to do shitty things.Ā I have moved from Chrome and experiment with other search engines, but still heavily use their office suite and Gmail.We quit Target but still use Walmart who is just as bad but the devil you know I guess.All that to say, for me when a company hits a breaking point where I no longer feel comfortable, that's when I leave.Ā It's an imperfect world and we're humans, don't beat yourself up to much about this stuff.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QNVcPMx0rzh8ZE by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@TheStoneDonkey The only quibble I would make with this is that if you are doing what makes sense, you shouldn't beat yourself up about it.I've been a U.S. citizen my whole life, and my country has engaged in many wars I find reprehensible. Should I have renounced my citizenship? No. It's my country, no more or less than theirs.Is there no alternative to Walmart? The alternative they closed for me was mine. I want it back, but meanwhile I have to live. It's not wrong to choose to live.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QNolGCGNpMeQPA by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@TheStoneDonkey How this relates to substack is of course still a matter for debate: there _are_ alternatives. But each of the alternatives I've found is (a lot) more work and has less reach, as far as I can tell.Of the lot of them, Patreon is probably the best, but they seem to be wandering down the enshittification highway, so we'll see.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QO1sTQksU2mtqi by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@abhayakara @TheStoneDonkey it's not that complicatedandrew tate is a piece of shitthat substack platforms him is repugnant enough for many people that they just won't use substacksome won't care. well, fuck themsome worry that the air they breathe contains some molecules that were once also breathed by stalin, so they'll stop breathing. yeah these people are a bit much: you follow coherent connections, and apply pressure where it is worth itit's a balance in life, always
(DIR) Post #B5K3QOUElzRLu03Y3M by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakara @TheStoneDonkey no perfect answer but imo "connections" is not enough. this is what most of the fedi gets wrong re refusing to federate with servers with users with bad opinions. moderate unwanted tagging harshly like we do spam, but allow chosen connections like we do browsing.more meaningful concerns are funding and promotion. Substack both has a financial relationship and chooses to spread the ideas of shitty people. avoiding paying taxes for wars would be nice.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QOvB9ozVFYf42y by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakara @TheStoneDonkeywilliam you're responding to an account that purposefully seeks out, mocks, and goads vatniks into saying things i can report them on to get them suspendednuke all vatnik accountsand any server that won't nuke them, nuke the serverperiodit's not "bad opinions" williamit's malicious assholes vomiting kremlin lies for ethnofascism and imperialismsomeone who says "avoiding paying taxes for wars would be nice" should be able to get behind that need
(DIR) Post #B5K3QPDc3HjiAjHmmO by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakara @TheStoneDonkey we strongly disagree re doing this but we both know this. probably not worth debating it again.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QPQNHpwcoJFyfg by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakara @TheStoneDonkeyindeed i consider your position naive at bestbigots and prideful ignorants have zero place on the fediverseany server that won't act on them needs to be excised from the fediversei cannot fathom why you don't understand that this imperative is the bedrock of the ethos of a community you enjoy being part of, while not understanding what it takes to protect that communityif shitwits want to vomit their hate somewhere, they have twitter. fuck them
(DIR) Post #B5K3QPeCSR0HVBj1Dk by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakara @TheStoneDonkey the fedi should be as open as the internet and as protective as email with spam blocking software. this best balances interactions we each decide we want with helping everyone avoid those they don't want. my community includes my family members who have opinions I hate. your prescription is a very small fedi that feeds groupthink. see how Dems and the further left vehemently disagree re Gaza and so many other issues.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QPpBnZnI3GrnLk by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakara @TheStoneDonkeyif you define excluding bigoty as "groupthink" i am disgustedand fuck your family memberyou want to have fruitless discussions with racist uncle at the dinner table have at itnot hereyour "standard" will not apply to the fediverse. your "standard" fucking sucks. it's a gateway for bad faith hateful sadismthat you don't understand that is shamefulwe're not having ityou need to make peace with this william: you're not going to win this argument
(DIR) Post #B5K3QQ58qGYQqkKXDM by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakaraexcept "bad people" do change and I have had information shared with me by them that corrected my misunderstandings. doesn't your electoral strategy involve voting in the general for people we may find repugnant but still better than the other person who would otherwise win?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Phelps-Roper
(DIR) Post #B5K3QQFQE2mHMd8kEq by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakara bigots can change but they rarely dolast time we had this discussion you linked to daryl davis as well. i responded as i will now: i admire daryl but daryl is an extreme outlierwe're not here to provide therapy for bigotspeople here want to converse without bigotry polluting their timelineyou've decided unilaterally that *your* quixotic goal of curing bigots is what should be herenoopen a twitter account and tilt at windmills therewe're not having it here
(DIR) Post #B5K3QQQlXrqrvoRnv6 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakara that's not my goal. it's a place where we can all talk to whoever we want and avoid who we want. you seem to think you know who should be let in and who shouldn't. haven't I seen many here don't like you supporting voting for Dems cause the party isn't left enough? you'll get voted off the island eventually.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QQXr7VWUHnlSyG by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakara because there are ranges of acceptable behaviorif people have disagreements about politics on the left, this can be great venom and outrage, but it is valid discourse. i can be quite angry with someone, but i have no right to silence themmeanwhile, there is no valid discourse with bigotry. nothing is gained. so silencing their voice is not acceptable, it's preferablewhy do you want the fediverse to devolve into pathetic endless useless arguments with hateful morons?
(DIR) Post #B5K3QQiUTy1uomjxY0 by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakara and i know your response already"there is no valid discourse with bigotry. nothing is gained"yes, in some rare instances, you can cure a bigotgreat!go do thattwitter is full of these fuckwitsengage some. do your thing. enjoy. i wish you great successbut you will not unilaterally decide against the opinion of the fediverse that this place is going to be polluted with their endless evil stupid bad faith nonsense, whatever noble goal you have
(DIR) Post #B5K3QQrhvhP1HN3Jui by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakara how does them posting here pollute anything if you never get tagged (we should moderate hard for unwanted tagging and block servers that allow their users to do that) or the people you follow never boost it? the magic of no algos. the web is full of hateful websites we'll never see etc.my family members should be able to be here, seeing the lefty stuff I boost that might change their opinions over time. not stuck in places with algos that reinforce misinfo and hate etc.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QR0vNQm7jxMgHQ by benroyce@mastodon.social
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@wjmaggos @abhayakarai am not sure how to respond to this because you're not accurately depicting what bigots dobigots do not play nicethey don't sit in their corner and play pattycake with each other, they reply guy to trans people, black people, etcif you can promise me we can let bigots on the fediverse and they will somehow respect what they don't respect (if they could, they wouldn't be bigots in the first place) then you win this argumentbut you lose it, because bigots are bigots
(DIR) Post #B5K3QRAqmWiOEk0bke by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@benroyce @abhayakara not all the people that you call bigots because of their opinions or posting what you consider misinfo, would intentionally bother people if given the chance. the former should be welcome here, the latter should not be.it's hard for me to believe everyone doesn't have experience with people like this, who believe stuff that seems crazy/evil but also would never intentionally bother others. who would go out of their way to help a stranger. but they are anti trans etc.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QRJiFZnugE9gZ6 by abhayakara@mastodon.nl
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@wjmaggos @benroyce Why do they need to be _here_? Why can't they be on their own instance that we don't federate with? Is it wrong for me to want to be able to read my site feed without being triggered? For wanting neighbors that I like?I have "family" (not actual family, but effectively) who are MAGA. I don't want to not be in touch with them at all, but I really don't want to have to listen to them spew.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QRSZictR7iIlNY by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@abhayakara @benroyce so don't follow them. you're not going to see their posts based on who you follow.my question is why do we have to block servers cause people like your "family" is on there? why do we have to make sure someone on your server can't see what they post?not federating means deciding for many others who can communicate, when having no algos does so much of this work. we browse freely and avoid shitty sites without our browser having such limits. decentralization works.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QRajEJPnX07H5U by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@wjmaggos@liberal.city @benroyce@mastodon.social @abhayakara@mastodon.nl some people on fedi have a control freak fetish and simply cannot handle that some people are not super pro censorship tbh.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QRliZSCo55G3DU by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@jeff @benroyce @abhayakara but imo there's a lot of people who would never reply "die slur" but also never push back on others who do that. they either support that secretly or are cowards. a big fedi requires those people to speak up. we can either have censorship by blocking or harassing till people leave etc. both are a problem.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QRwhuazodAOpLU by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@wjmaggos@liberal.city @benroyce@mastodon.social @abhayakara@mastodon.nl you have 2 extremes on fedi and only one extreme is kept "in check" (by having everyone pretend they dont exist, even when they are much bigger than most want to admit), the other extreme makes the rules to a degree where everyone is constantly on eggshells. fedi is not kind to moderates or centrists because of this dynamic.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QS5ZNe5L4eXu9w by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@wjmaggos@liberal.city @benroyce@mastodon.social @abhayakara@mastodon.nl keep in mind, giving users a choice who they want to follow has always been the ethos of the fediverse, just not mastodon. (ever). These are 2 distinct networks as a result. Mastodon is a LOT smaller than they think they are in the grand scheme of things.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QSHGg9RVew1FOS by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@jeff @benroyce @abhayakara so what are you advocating? I think both should compromise. on one side, block less. on the other, police harassment more.
(DIR) Post #B5K3QSPQBpxs4Dpl6O by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@wjmaggos@liberal.city @benroyce@mastodon.social @abhayakara@mastodon.nl That's a fair request tbh and that's why it'll never happen. Too much tribalism in this whole thing.I don't think this problem has a solution given the status quo because one of the extremes is not kept on a leash since they are "oppressed" or something. Things will degrade into purity test spirals as they always do and the rest of the network will continue to federate without them like they've always have (and always will).
(DIR) Post #B5K3QSa3YITIbCoFg8 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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@jeff @benroyce @abhayakara do you ever tell people not to post the die slur shit cause you can see here that myself and some others are vocal about the excessive censorship? and it's not without cost.