Post B5FJ2aTn9x2HciibEe by delta@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #B5FCBWeu2Eq0hVELhY by adbenitez@mastodon.de
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I am very sorry for you to need to cope with this:the best option for private chatting TODAY when it comes to #security, usability/user-friendly, #resilience, #digitalindependence and #freedom is #DeltaChat a chat app that uses #SMTP + #IMAP at its backbone, not your favorite "perfect" chat protocol, you don't need new better protocols, you need tools that actually work for the people#xmpp #matrix #simplex #signal
(DIR) Post #B5FCBX30ac7VuGVbH6 by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@adbenitez It's easy to say that one doesn't need better protocols after those better protocols have become so ubiquitous that you don't even realize how you're using them yourself.Apple APNS and Google FCM use #XMPP technology to deliver push messages instantly. All the other messengers listed (#Signal, #Element, #DeltaChat) thus use XMPP technology. Everyone uses XMPP, but when it is about marketing, suddenly XMPP is not necessary.
(DIR) Post #B5FCBXHBjtSkcF8vNQ by delta@chaos.social
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@pixelschubsi @adbenitez new protocols are fine. The point may rather be that contrary to popular nerd belief protocols are only one part of an effort. What distinguishes #deltachat from #xmpp is that one is a cross-platform mass-user focused app with a consistent UX across the platforms and using standards under the hood, while the other is a set of specs with many different implementations and UX approaches on the various platforms, and sometimes tenuous compatibility between them.
(DIR) Post #B5FCxuSCrtEIOsMZPs by bytes4life@mastodon.gal
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@delta @pixelschubsi @adbenitez Can you talk about Deltachat federation? Can anyone run a Deltachat server? What are the requirements? Implies it any kind of administrative procedure?
(DIR) Post #B5FGHaEe3BOfLa5nhQ by johan@s.cafe
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@delta @pixelschubsi @adbenitez We don't need #xmpp with "consistent user interfaces" (for the user) – that's from #Psi+ to #Movim. Nothing in common, except what's under the hood.
(DIR) Post #B5FHa6WIr3gGdwkOHo by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@delta @adbenitez Yes DeltaChat is a messenger and XMPP is a protocol.Why is the advertising towards DeltaChat so obsessed with protocols? Just say "DeltaChat is better than Conversations, because it provides a consistent UX across platforms including iOS." This would render your point much easier to understand for everyone and wouldn't require you to badmouth protocols you're relying on yourself.
(DIR) Post #B5FHtOWg8IchzS7Zuy by delta@chaos.social
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@pixelschubsi what do you mean with "delta chat advertising obsessed with protocol"? https://delta.chat/en/ and appstore description barely mention any protocol?
(DIR) Post #B5FIbtZE5H0j0JX4Qy by delta@chaos.social
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@bytes4life @pixelschubsi @adbenitez anyone can run a relay, permission-free. see buttom of the public list: https://chatmail.at/relays
(DIR) Post #B5FIfqPnkG2wO20VG4 by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@delta I mean for example the post I was originally replying to. Or your reply to my reply literally having "protocols" as the second word.My post was about protocols, because it was a reply to one that was about protocols. When you noticed how the advertising based on protocols gets debunked, you quickly shift to something else.I'm not saying DeltaChat is bad. Just get your marketing sorted and focus on UX rather than standards, protocols or encryption.
(DIR) Post #B5FJ2aTn9x2HciibEe by delta@chaos.social
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@pixelschubsi We responded to the top post as much as to yours, and actually seem to agree that when it comes to mass usage, users don't care about protocols much. Which doesn't mean they are unimportant, neither.
(DIR) Post #B5FK4KC2mZ33e6oEFM by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@adbenitez @delta Sure, so let's stop framing DeltaChat as a "chat app that uses #SMTP + #IMAP at its backbone". It's either just "chat app" or "chat app that uses a bunch of standard protocols (incl. SMTP, IMAP, OpenPGP, MIME, XMPP, HTTP, TLS), proprietary protocols and proprietary extensions to standard protocols". The latter doesn't have the markting ring to it, so maybe just stick with "chat app" and stop talking about protocols at all.
(DIR) Post #B5FP4Bct8MMSqY7QkC by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@delta @adbenitez consistent UX, except when not.
(DIR) Post #B5FTJtfi3VVBbzBY5g by delta@chaos.social
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@pixelschubsi @adbenitez fair point -- but the author already agreed to not re-use the deltachat branding ;)
(DIR) Post #B5FVdbwRsv3eK5XjCS by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@darkcat09 @delta @adbenitez Official client implementation of what? Chatmail website also lists a lot of implementations with largely different UX: https://chatmail.at/clients
(DIR) Post #B5FVdcAz0sgT3ALKr2 by delta@chaos.social
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@pixelschubsi @darkcat09 @adbenitez official "Delta Chat" client are found via https://get.delta.chat
(DIR) Post #B5FbdUPiTNwOhUYenI by pixelschubsi@troet.cafe
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@delta @darkcat09 @adbenitez That page lists DeltaTouch. Tell me again how DeltaTouch and Delta Chat have consistent UX? Here's a screenshot of the settings screen of both.