Post B4UAEL9lvNTJYglcHY by lumi@snug.moe
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(DIR) Post #B4Toi6INXonVABZvMm by cwebber@social.coop
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The Rust project puts out an article about how they're listening to their community https://blog.rust-lang.org/2026/03/20/rust-challenges/Except it turns out that article was drafted by an LLM https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1rz15t3/what_we_heard_about_rusts_challenges_and_how_we/obiwu24/They claim nearly every line was rewritten by a human but I'm not sure how you could send a worse signal to your community about how much you aren't listening than having an LLM draft a post saying we're really listening, honest
(DIR) Post #B4UAEL9lvNTJYglcHY by lumi@snug.moe
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@cwebber ugh, as someone who loves the rust programming language, it's been so depressing to see everything around it progressively get worsethere are many reasons why i love rust: - having a haskell-like type system is super nice - mutable xor shared is a very good idea - the borrow checker is great to work and promotes having simple ownership graphs - have a crate as the basic compilation unit, rather than a rust file, is a very sane trade-off, and i like it more than having per-file compilation units - the culture around correctness is very nice - rustfmt creating a very consistent way to use rust - embracing inclusivity from the startthere is a reason why i have "rust is my favorite dirty haskell" on my profilebut then, there are a lot of things which are very bad: - being co-opted by corporations very quickly - embracing github and discord - no stance against proprietary software - no stance against centralization - crates.io is very centralized and does not play well with distribution package managers - cargo being the one blessed build tool, rather than embracing variety - rust applications being annoying to package properly in distributionsseeing people who i used to respect a lot, like fasterthanlime[0][1] and niko matsakis[2][3][4] embracing the slop machines has also been very depressingit really makes me look more in the direction of embracing c and zig, but those have their own issuesthere is a lot to like about zig, and the project itself seems to have a moral compass[5]. the compiler has a stance against llms and moved away from github. sadly the zig ecosystem does not seem to share this stance. for example ghostty[6] embraces it0: ewie.online/posts/20260214-arborium-is-ai-slopw/1: github.com/facet-rs/facet/tree/main/.claude2: github.com/nikomatsakis/zulook3: github.com/nikomatsakis/retcon/tree/main/.claude4: github.com/nikomatsakis/dada/tree/main/.claude5: codeberg.org/ziglang/zig#strict-no-llm-no-ai-policy6: github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/blob/main/AI_POLICY.md#ai-is-welcome-here
(DIR) Post #B4UB5ICReHJLjgGbk8 by mi@awawa.cat
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@lumi @cwebber Maintaining a simplistic build tool to replace cargo and enable packaging rust dependencies differently would be a huge motion to disempower their authority. I beg for everyone to endorse such goals whenever they see someone fiddle around the idea.
(DIR) Post #B4UBZiqN9RsT3fS7ou by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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@mi @lumi @cwebber https://mesonbuild.com/Rust.htmlhttps://mesonbuild.com/Wrap-dependency-system-manual.html:3 it's still a pain to do because the tooling expects the cargo workflow, so e.g., system provided crates won't ever be a simple thing until rustc fixes itselfso this would be more of a band-aid than a final solution
(DIR) Post #B4UF1CmoEXcvbXaAsq by mi@awawa.cat
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@navi @lumi @cwebber rustc may be not expected to fix itself, and we may need someone to maintain a patch (i don’t like calling it a soft fork, not sure how we call such projects nowadays)
(DIR) Post #B4UG2Ythbt5cQP18yG by marcusxms@helvede.net
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@lumi @cwebber Did not know that ghostty embraced AI. Just uninstalled it and switched back to Kitty which is great. Also looking to replace keepassxc because of that.
(DIR) Post #B4UG2Z5kt4jN1mell2 by lumi@snug.moe
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@marcusxms @cwebber even worse is that ghostty has this harmful stance saying genai code is good while genai art is badthis has potential to split the movement. we should be against all of it
(DIR) Post #B4UGXvrqG4Hods6cbY by jhwgh1968@chaos.social
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@mi @lumi @cwebber @navi ironically the best "real fork" is now GCC versionhttps://rust-gcc.github.io/Which is not only very far behind in the version they're targeting, but whose primary funder has... a long reputation. I will allow readers to do their own research. But I think "depressing" would be the continued mood
(DIR) Post #B4UGc1uniNZkYbRZTs by natty@astolfo.social
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@marcusxms@helvede.net @lumi@snug.moe @cwebber@social.coop Arguably the Ghostty solution is at least kinda honest, Kitty silently goes Copilot commits
(DIR) Post #B4UGvtSMsCrg7BcGCu by marcusxms@helvede.net
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@natty @cwebber @lumi oh ffs. What about Alacritty? Or any recommendations?
(DIR) Post #B4UGvtp3Vr0rFYENZQ by natty@astolfo.social
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@marcusxms@helvede.net @cwebber@social.coop @lumi@snug.moe https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/pull/8878
(DIR) Post #B4UH4e6VK7176cYy12 by natty@astolfo.social
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@lumi@snug.moe @marcusxms@helvede.net @cwebber@social.coop does it? I feel like opposing some of it is still an Overton window shift to better?
(DIR) Post #B4UHCvs59GtGWjlhtg by lumi@snug.moe
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@natty @marcusxms @cwebber gosh i hope alacritty doesn't become slopware
(DIR) Post #B4UHF6IHMvSxQn3WKm by walnut@thesoftestpaws.net
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@natty @lumi @marcusxms @cwebberAt least in ghosttty's case, that doesn't really turn me off zig much. It's far from a core component or important library to the ecosystem
(DIR) Post #B4UHIvQdhtyUtLn2lk by natty@astolfo.social
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@lumi@snug.moe @marcusxms@helvede.net @cwebber@social.coop I mean it got merged if you check https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#llmai-contributions
(DIR) Post #B4UHKjJ3kSSZsH6ZVI by lumi@snug.moe
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@natty @marcusxms @cwebber opposing some of it is good, but i don't want the focus to go towards a specific usage of genai, while then ignoring the others
(DIR) Post #B4UHP36a4xieRBKOGG by lumi@snug.moe
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@natty @marcusxms @cwebber missed that, woopsie. dummy lumi :neocat_googly:
(DIR) Post #B4UHQp6N78ubaO4mCu by walnut@thesoftestpaws.net
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@natty @lumi @marcusxms (dropping cwebber to not spam them)The term LLM should hopefully better outline what we're actually against, since no intelligence of any sort is mandatory for contributing to Alacritty.heh
(DIR) Post #B4UHaLwuMFVI4BC40W by ndevenish@mas.to
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@cwebber why are people convinced that “I rewrote it in my style” is a thing. Editing is hard. Changing the “style” of a large block of text is extremely difficult without literally rewriting it from scratch, at which point you should just… write it yourself.Ask for a list of bullet points to cover if you really are incapable, though probably you shouldn’t be given the job of writing community announcements…
(DIR) Post #B4UHeNFzRBidHT2Jou by ElPamplina@masto.es
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@cwebber If they rewrote every sentence, why did they need the LLM in the first place? Lies, lies, lies.
(DIR) Post #B4UHjNX3qDZRaBPKT2 by marcusxms@helvede.net
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@lumi @cwebber Agreed. Also glad to see there's a :no_ai: custom emoji, now I just need that on the instance I'm on.
(DIR) Post #B4UHnMeN3xBI0Nj9ea by natty@astolfo.social
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@lumi@snug.moe @marcusxms@helvede.net @cwebber@social.coop I think it's a good start to refuse the drive-by garbage people dump with agentsWhat I think the problem is with the policy is that it claims that the LLM problem is a skill issue and rejects the premise that it is a very flawed technology with serious consequences
(DIR) Post #B4UHoKEDYJuamdx7Dc by lumi@snug.moe
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@marcusxms @cwebber godforsaken.website/@Shrigglepuss/116251985836578143
(DIR) Post #B4UHynbNCJ3gmOmGum by lumi@snug.moe
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@natty @marcusxms @cwebber it's sadly something you see a lot in tech: ethical, environmental, social and political issues swept under the rugand then only looking at the technical arguments
(DIR) Post #B4UI3TfejAnUPf0mqu by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@lumi @cwebber @marcusxms genai code is bad bc code is artmuch like some only view paintings and photos as only a way to make a wall less bland, there are people who consider code to be uniquely practical
(DIR) Post #B4UIOB7gsoYgy8znAu by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@cwebber oh good to know the project lead is just as rotten as the community
(DIR) Post #B4UIOBh8l0umk5a6Qi by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@SharpCheddarGoblin personal experiences https://srazkvt.codeberg.page/posts/2025-12-18-stop-telling-me-to-use-rust.html
(DIR) Post #B4UIOBpeFNijATYtgu by natty@astolfo.social
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @SharpCheddarGoblin@kolektiva.social I see you repeatedly self-insert into conversations about Rust to express your desire for it to fade into obscurity again, isn't that kinda self-harm? :neofox_googly_shocked:
(DIR) Post #B4UIrk5FykkRnOxEMi by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@natty @SharpCheddarGoblin not my fault it pops up into my feed
(DIR) Post #B4UIrkGFJtXSLU60Ui by natty@astolfo.social
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @SharpCheddarGoblin@kolektiva.social it's not your personal obligation to argue with every post that pops up tho
(DIR) Post #B4UKFYNdFCUuOyT1bk by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@natty unfortunately, i view reliable and resilient architecture as more important of a target than my own mental healthmy mental health being better only benefits me and close ones, proper architecture and sharing knowledge of how we can make things better benefits everyone. pretty easy choice there
(DIR) Post #B4UKFYa2V4QF1SGvwm by natty@astolfo.social
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt there's your problemto make reliable and resilient architectures you first need functional mental health"Sacrificing" by burning out is not heroism, it's depressing to see
(DIR) Post #B4UL4IuiVWGDCc8rx2 by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@natty sorry but i just cannot stay still when everything is blowing up around me and i know how to at least somewhat fix up thingsto me that would be immoral
(DIR) Post #B4UL4JEvIOQKDHb0Rk by natty@astolfo.social
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt you remind me of the internal slideshow we have in training resources https://sre.google/resources/practices-and-processes/no-heroes/
(DIR) Post #B4UTQmQkFGsOkbLqDY by marcusxms@helvede.net
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@natty @cwebber @lumi Switched to Alacritty - thanks for the head's up!
(DIR) Post #B4UgwS20vEYY9hDRC4 by datenwolf@chaos.social
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@cwebber And once again the Zig language project shows, that there's a better way: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct/#strict-no-llm-no-ai-policy