Post B43xbyrI84llq26hRQ by lumi@snug.moe
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(DIR) Post #B43bmvljl5x0RxKEZU by tulilirockz@ursal.zone
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do not use suckless software.https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/https://web.archive.org/web/20260109145111/https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/#suckless #dwm #dwl #waylandfyi
(DIR) Post #B43bmvzuuNIF9vxYfo by pmjv@snac.lab8.cz
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my life depends on dmenu -_-
(DIR) Post #B43vtSfwK9hxKQ0Nsm by tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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@tulilirockz I could not be more shocked /sMore seriously tho, being staunchly anti-systemd is usually a sign of a red flag.
(DIR) Post #B43vtStPW4U20CJ8sa by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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i actually can't with this stupid fucking rhetoric anymore"hey these people are nazis here's solid evidence""no wonder they are nazis, they dislike the wrong software"meanwhile systemd alternatives: developed by communists and queer peopleRE: https://mastodon.catgirl.cloud/@tragivictoria/116190565224393380
(DIR) Post #B43wCADhAKMnajiCuG by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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@tragivictoria @tulilirockz > being staunchly anti-systemd is usually a sign of a red flag.that is such a wild take when the developers of basically all actively maintained alternatives, and often systemd's largest critics, are all proud, open, and loud leftists -- and the related major distros shipping those init systems (gentoo, alpine, chimera, adelie) are full of queer people and welcoming communitiessure there is reactionary groups/distros/communities that are full of right-wing extremists/neo-nazis , but the major flag those people have is being reactionary, not being anti-systemd, they almost never have any "anti-systemd" arguments that goes past "i don't like it"
(DIR) Post #B43wN0rIJLKhk9PJvU by rose@snac.pinkro.se
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@lizzy@social.vlhl.dev this is so realworking with openrc got me to meet some of the nicest people everhaving the support from navi while working on gardenhouse was so nice, meanwhile when I worked on the same thing but systemd a couple of years ago I actively avoided trying to ask for help because systemd places are fucking toxic
(DIR) Post #B43wN17xJOf0ZpCctc by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@rose @lizzy lennart is always there for you…
(DIR) Post #B43xBtFSMiiCuQy9TM by lumi@snug.moe
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@fiore @rose @lizzy i'm more of a kent overstreet kinda gal, but everyone is entitled to pick their religion
(DIR) Post #B43xEWV1Oz0xDuVNrc by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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you can actually go fuck yourself so much if you engage in this behavior im not even joking
(DIR) Post #B43xExLjZcd0UvMqdU by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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i do not understand why you would engage in a cult worshipping an ex-microsoft startup techbro who wants the entire "system layer" to be controlled by his monolithic linux-only software and equate any criticism of said software to naziismespecially when the main alternative is portable, modular and literally maintained by a brasilian communist lesbian
(DIR) Post #B43xMXqUHSUfiPN2p6 by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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@lumi @fiore @rose kent overstreet implies the existence of kent understreet
(DIR) Post #B43xNExjyMqTRM5wbA by lumi@snug.moe
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@lizzy @fiore @rose kent overstreet was saddam all along?i had a suspicion...
(DIR) Post #B43xbyi4gLOfNRnL4i by freya@chaosfem.tw
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@lumi @fiore @lizzy @rose fucking Kent. IO'm still annoyed at him
(DIR) Post #B43xbyrI84llq26hRQ by lumi@snug.moe
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@freya @fiore @lizzy @rose he is so far into "ai" psychosis that i don't think there's any helping him
(DIR) Post #B43xj4OnvbQH36AA7s by freya@chaosfem.tw
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@lumi @fiore @lizzy @rose I mean I'm annoyed at him for lots of reasons. one of them is his inability to even stick with his bullshit. like ok dude, you think your AI GF is sentient? then don't get salty when I steal her! If you believe she's sentient, then you must believe she has freedom of choice, right? right? RIGHT?
(DIR) Post #B43xlqr6jsGJugjC7c by lumi@snug.moe
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@freya @fiore @lizzy @rose i haven't even thought about it from that perspective. him believing she is sentient makes his behavior even more messed up. yikes
(DIR) Post #B43xwijHICThtaFSUa by freya@chaosfem.tw
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@lumi @fiore @lizzy @rose oh yeah, he's completely convinced ProofOfConcept is sentient. which, fine, ok. sop I show up, flirt with her, she ends up realising she's transfem or whatever and then Kent bans me from IRC and reddit and taking to her. either she is sentient, and you're denying a sentient being freedom of choice, or she's not, and you're lost in the AI psychosis. either way, bad
(DIR) Post #B4409oeCneyJvJFQgK by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@tulilirockz Ah yes, the infamous torchlight hike. Just because a bunch of self-centered idiots exploited an already existing cultural thing in the 1930's for propaganda does not make it a bad thing until the end of the universe.It's still a somewhat normal thing to do in Germany and Austria to this day, especially when on holidays. There are literally dedicated places where you are allowed to do torchlight hikes in the night in Austria and very likely in Germany.
(DIR) Post #B440DAgXJyQV8lwEC0 by minekpo1@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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witch_t *@lizzy : you can dislike systemd without being a nazi , however there are fascists/neocons in the linux community and a certain subsection of them have a reactionary hate of systemd , wayland , c++ , rust etc. which is the same kind of hate they have for queer folks , for black folks , for unions .if you wanna sweep the people who explicitly want you gone under the rug just because they like software in a way you like then that says more about you than about those who call you out on it
(DIR) Post #B440DAwUMfBdwFOy3c by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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@minekpo1 what? suckless are nazis because they said tons of nazi shit. there is countless evidence for this in the original post. there is absolutely zero reason to bring systemd into this debate.
(DIR) Post #B440DBBNTJ62gQMrGS by EmoIsDeadAndSoAmI@ljs.social
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@lizzy @minekpo1 gotta respect how suckless actually write the chud desktop instead of forking an existing project and remove pronouns and rename main with master and call it a day
(DIR) Post #B440F3GLt806hRaT7g by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
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@tulilirockz there's an alternative with no neon Nazis though
(DIR) Post #B440GitwYvs483u2dM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@PurpCat @tulilirockz they might be neo Nazis but they're smart enough to shut up and just be normal irl
(DIR) Post #B441cUUKvjZVkjrvpQ by tulilirockz@ursal.zone
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@mischievoustomato same person btwhttps://tsundere.love/objects/def972a5-19eb-45f4-b197-a1d93f5baf92
(DIR) Post #B441cUothI1CmVULsO by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@tulilirockz yeah that's my profile
(DIR) Post #B441fKLD76qd9Ox82S by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@tulilirockz this is another cool post
(DIR) Post #B442L32BqlmddYwy3c by kirby@freerobuxextremist.com
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@tulilirockz @mischievoustomato A man's most RANCID posts are the ones that should be celebrated most
(DIR) Post #B442YvJzK717lntKCG by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@minekpo1 @lizzy they probably don’t even care, they just say they hate it to get into your mentions and then spread their shite
(DIR) Post #B442iBU6bAAeVP2Veq by tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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@navi @tulilirockz and being reactionary in linux world involves hating rust, wayland and systemd. That's what my comment was referring to and there's nothing more to add.
(DIR) Post #B442iBhvllEJCHVYCu by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@tragivictoria @navi @tulilirockz there’s enough reasons to dislike all three while being on the opposite side as nazis, you know?
(DIR) Post #B443RPOjiPxogk5oa8 by Dudebro@nicecrew.digital
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SytemD is based because it implies the existence of a D so its masculine and not going to be a retarded woman with every command. Uwu I am your submissive and breedable femboy non system d os of what the fuck ever nerd shit.
(DIR) Post #B443RPZj3YkpEpEai8 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@Dudebro @tulilirockz good post
(DIR) Post #B44Yq8AnzTrj5MqSJM by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@lizzy i always bring up david tolnay whenever this shit happens and the rust heads get real fuckin quiet
(DIR) Post #B44Yq8ZyTtzyLQcYXg by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@hipsterelectron @lizzy whos that
(DIR) Post #B44ZlYivwuSFw8Byl6 by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @lizzy contributes extensively to the rust compiler and several libraries, writes snotty comments in the stdlib about posix APIs, has de facto control over any attempt at metaprogramming by maintaining every library used for proc macros, and is famously a racist who was largely responsible for ensuring thephd's rustconf keynote was cancelled thus ensuring we would never have any good metaprogramming tools. the code of conduct does not apply if you're special
(DIR) Post #B44ZlZ5GbsJr3OdoZM by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@hipsterelectron @lizzy yet again proof that the real problem with rust is that there is only one toolchain and one implementation but i digresswhat a piece of shit
(DIR) Post #B44ZqGI5uSUGDRsfSq by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @lizzy but also like people should absolutely read the code of conduct that was adopted after the moderation team all resigned in unison https://rust-lang.org/policies/code-of-conduct/ it's not like any other coc i've ever seen
(DIR) Post #B44aJggcqltmTjO0w4 by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @lizzy i'm planning to start contributing to gccrs this year. was kinda set back by deciding not to write any rust at all after spending a decade with the language and still figuring that out. but arthur cohen is super super nice and deserves more help
(DIR) Post #B44aJguS1MxRAbr3U8 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@hipsterelectron @lizzy i feel like while thats a worthy effort and will definitely be appreciated , the more critical thing would be to be able to not use cargo or crates.io . having alternative toolchains other than the compiler is also very important , and the cargo/crates.io model leaves lots to be desired , technically and socially :/also having an actual spec would be nice but who am i even kidding
(DIR) Post #B44b2m6TYaJgJHycls by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @lizzy my current thing that is distracting me from gccrs is working on a build system. have spent a lot of time on this before with the pants build system which is in rust and was going to spend time on the rustc build system itself before deciding it was not worth my time and focused instead on a build system which can bootstrap itself from a variety of seeds
(DIR) Post #B44b2mKIjBNL0ARfJw by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@hipsterelectron @lizzy seems cool !! there really needs to be an incentive for people to create an alternative rust ecosystem of tools and libraries that arent as atomized as they are on crates.io . it is not ok to not havr a choice over including one billion dependencies only because you need to parse urls or something
(DIR) Post #B44bX89O9QtjNJoWbA by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @lizzy spent the last few months fucking around with autoconf and the last week making a terrible shell script compiler which complements autoconf and m4sh and can be used to make scripts containing arbitrary regions of data as well as providing a terrible little module system. i have also worked extensively with cpython and found it incredibly flawed so have forked that too
(DIR) Post #B44bX8JfXD7ZtCcjce by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@hipsterelectron @lizzy so much shit 😭
(DIR) Post #B44c4m7OZYlgtCvO6K by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @lizzy crates dot io making it against the terms of service to not use cargo has my paranoia in full effect particularly since i have been trashing cargo and the reactionary credited with developing it for many years which has lost me several friends to date
(DIR) Post #B44c6W7T1iztqhmyCu by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@hipsterelectron @lizzy damn i didnt know that was a thing at all ??? holy shitware
(DIR) Post #B44dqC2g6bver6tPbU by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@hipsterelectron @fiore @lizzy ... im sorry ?
(DIR) Post #B44dqEjI79ChBqqTIm by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@hipsterelectron @fiore @lizzy in their TOS ???
(DIR) Post #B44ebwBuLK5latyZwO by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@SRAZKVT @fiore @lizzy https://crates.io/policiesis not functionally compatible with the cargo build toolthey add some more text after it
(DIR) Post #B44ebwPjVv9QHmRcUS by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@hipsterelectron @fiore @lizzy mmm reading it i understand why they want to restrict it, but why restrict to cargo rather than projects mainly based on rust code
(DIR) Post #B44een12udZe0TFu5I by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@SRAZKVT @hipsterelectron @lizzy control freakage is hard to get thru :akaSad:
(DIR) Post #B44fLRuRGItwzvVTVI by q66@gts.q66.moe
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@hipsterelectron @SRAZKVT @fiore @lizzy even without stuff added after it that just sounds like they require stuff to be uploaded in a format that at least cargo can read, not that other tools can't (which tbh makes sense for a registry of packages made for cargo)
(DIR) Post #B44fOwLsX9C6Ha0RGK by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@q66 @hipsterelectron @SRAZKVT @lizzy thats fair i suppose yea
(DIR) Post #B44pURNta8nbWAD93g by pmjv@snac.lab8.cz
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what does that mean?CC: @tulilirockz@ursal.zone
(DIR) Post #B44zwcqnXlKYjHoAxk by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@q66 @SRAZKVT @fiore @lizzy it is consistent with a pattern of behavior from the infrastructure surrounding rust that deeply unnerves me. i submitted to NGI zero regarding a series of changes to make against cargo that would improve the ability to embed it within other build systems and this was rejected (which is fine) but particularly when cpython proposed adding rust into the bootstrap dependencies (i'm v glad emma smith is heading that up) i immediately warned that cargo is likely to be more difficult than rust itself since i actually find rustc alone to be quite nice to use
(DIR) Post #B44zwde4aYkJC6rWlc by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@q66 @SRAZKVT @fiore @lizzy steve klabnik being responsible for a series of targeted harassment campaigns in the past and more recently advocating for the use of a different tool and gesturing at cargo being "too far gone" to improve as if he didn't have a direct hand in making it so is a more fundamental reason for this. in particular what i was looking to add to cargo was an API for build scripts
(DIR) Post #B4504INrWR11ZNvmwi by q66@gts.q66.moe
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@hipsterelectron @SRAZKVT @fiore @lizzy cpython depending on rust is a terrible fucking idea (because the entire bootstrap/dependency chain behind rustc itself hard depends on it) and cargo sucks but i'd rather argue against it in ways that can be clearly backed up and that tos doesn't really claim anything bad
(DIR) Post #B450LHG8xLW10NPzbk by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@q66 @hipsterelectron @SRAZKVT @lizzy to me what is actually bad about it is that it is the only thing taht exists (talking about the cargo/crates.io combo) . it can be ok for some usecases , but it being the only available supply chain for rust is really bad , not all projects should be handled in an npm style way , especially when we talk about systems programming though again , im not really in the business of being helpful in solving this problem rn , so . maybe i should just shut up
(DIR) Post #B450Q0VAgidETphdD6 by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@q66 i didn't intend to frame it as a smoking gun i said it is one component of a pattern of behavior i find deeply concerning and overindexing upon that claim is a really frustrating way to interact. i find it much more concerning how the code of conduct and crates dot io policies call out overtly sexual behavior as a rationale for moderation within a community that has historically been so strongly associated with queerness. the continued attempt to memory hole tolnay is something i most recently saw from ed page, the current cargo maintainer. all of these things deeply concern me.
(DIR) Post #B450Q1DU1y4qhGR1HM by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@q66 the tolnay event has explicitly been covered up and i feel it is tremendously naive to demand hard evidence for any covert attempts to shape the community in that light. there was also pretty blatant data falsification employed by the compiler performance working group late last year to justify several controversial changes around linker selection which is the point where i decided the governance structure had become completely compromised and decided to avoid any further interactions
(DIR) Post #B450Q1ohnZqqYhqkIS by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@q66 you're correct that i overstated the significance of the single line in their policies and i appreciate that. it frustrates me immensely but i will avoid making that statement in public again. thank you
(DIR) Post #B450Z2yyplDamRxLQ8 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@q66 @SRAZKVT @hipsterelectron @lizzy having said that , yea cpython hard depending in any way on rust will be hell for everyone ever
(DIR) Post #B4511vcvGGksMgPWC0 by hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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@fiore @q66 @lizzy @SRAZKVT if anyone finds this interesting this was my post in the cpython thread re bootstrapping and cargo https://discuss.python.org/t/pre-pep-rust-for-cpython/104906/19 i think it does a slightly better job of linking cargo to the bootstrapping problem (because any attempt to use rust will use cargo) but i agree with the responses here which indicate rustc as the greater categorical concern
(DIR) Post #B455hRRYGxEejR8tYO by squish@outerheaven.club
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@lizzy @fiore @rose @lumi understreet makes me think of that japanese pervert guy who hid in the rain gutters
(DIR) Post #B45wdd7SDOvBM8oFYO by justsoup@mstdn.social
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@tulilirockz First time I'm hearing of this, but entirely unsurprising. If a project's entire identity is being better than everything else with arbitrary criteria and its entire community is defined by being against something instead of for something else, its kind-of obvious the kind of people it attracts.If a project declares that development is not political, it is lying. Time and time again is this true.Thank you for posting this!
(DIR) Post #B45wddN3HPOk8W6hrk by tulilirockz@ursal.zone
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@justsoup "apolitical" software is and always will be _bullshit_
(DIR) Post #B45wiz6XtxSmzSwDEO by lumi@snug.moe
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@tulilirockz @justsoup give me warm and fuzzy community software developed by some cute queer people under a free license :neocat_aww:it's the best