Posts by tchambers@indieweb.social
(DIR) Post #AWrdMrgboRYBgpsvs8 by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-19T23:09:49Z
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@osslate @finner Except, preemptive defederation does zero to stop EEE attacks. Only defense is to keep vigilant in our own development and implementation of the standards on our side.
(DIR) Post #AWt8df2FORtT76SGxM by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-19T18:03:58Z
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@atomicpoet Every point here is well-reasoned and based on accurate data. As usual. š
(DIR) Post #AWvAMj7fX14H5lxoQq by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-21T16:03:53Z
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New research from my team on the #TwitterMigration: This is our 3rd quarterly update on which platforms are growing, new entries such as #BlueSky, #Substack Notes, #Nostr & all public data on Meta's #project92 Includes latest on the #RedditMigration, New polling, new posting data & more. Welcome any notes or feedback & boosts!Get it here: https://is.gd/5PJQH7
(DIR) Post #AWxn1ROmVkIzLqfwIa by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-22T22:21:07Z
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@atomicpoet Jimmy Wales said the next version of his Wiki-based social network would support #ActivtyPub (not at launch but on roadmap) and suggested it would be a replacement for some uses of Reddit (and Twitter)
(DIR) Post #AWyH2XaTz5CBSZaaPI by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T00:15:38Z
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With the upcoming #meta #Project92 Fediverse service, there has been a, well, *robust* discussion of how to avoid threats looming. Those advocating mass-preemptive defederation make three cases for it. ā”ļø To avoid data mining ...which Defederation does virtually zero to avoid any big tech entity scraping all the fedi public social graph today - Want proof? see: https://is.gd/q8U2pvThe next argument is about poorly moderated P92 user posts and ad spam.Which I'll discuss next.š§µ 1 of N
(DIR) Post #AWyH2YWGWFPsLmcjTM by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T00:22:13Z
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The 2nd argument for preemptive defederation: ā”ļø To defend against poorly moderated P92 users & ad spam.We have all the tools for that now - as users & as admins, and deal with exactly this from poorly moderated servers EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. And if we find ANY server not responsive THEN we block. Protecting our users is our 1st job but we have all we need - WITHOUT first strike defederation.The third argument I'll look at next is to avoid #EEEE - "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish."š§µ 2 of X
(DIR) Post #AWyH2aKHnl1RxD2C4u by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T03:10:23Z
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Wrapping up: This isn't a new fight. OSS devs have been here before. Many times. And won.We have all the tools, development energy & moderation tech to protect our people we need - without first strikes.We have past #OSS & open tech fights to learn off of & as @atomicpoet & @erlend have argued well: being open - if they are - is a first crack in #Meta's armor.We may get a window - if we both protect our people & don't act insularly - to run an #EEE campaign reaching out to THEIR users.
(DIR) Post #AWyH2bkuUFugO4UyDQ by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T00:27:12Z
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The 3rd argument for defederation:ā”ļø To defend against being Embraced, Extended, and Extinguished. This is a real risk, and others point to Google and Facebook and XMPP, or Google and RSS Google reader. Where a big entity takes over, then rug pulls or extends an open standard slowly into an non-standard, non-interoperable functionally siloed service.This is a real risk. But you don't - and can't - defend against this by defederation. I'll explain why next. #EEEE š§µ 3 of N
(DIR) Post #AWyH2bn2MLcAUfUfWy by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T00:39:07Z
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To the argument that we should defederate to avoid #EEE: We cannot avoid Meta's embrace of the open ActivityPub standard. Even if the entire existing Fedi pre-blocked them. IG has 1.6 BILLION users. in one day just on their own they will be the size of the current Fedi's MAU and grow from there.Instantlly the biggest ActivityPub entity on the planet. With or without a mass block.So if we can't stop the embrace, what can we do to combat the second E?Will cover that next.4 of Nš§µ
(DIR) Post #AWyH2bznatp58FSrQG by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T02:59:38Z
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Last post on defending against #EEE: Until we get a robust test suite for #ActivityPub the risk is Meta or others "extend it" or the converse, support "almost all of it," but miss crucial bits.Dave Winer mentioned once that Google leaving bits of RSS support out of Google Reader hurt the effort for years. (But it recovered and #EEE failed over time)I'm working with a number of stakeholders now to see if we can build out an alpha of just this. Is crucial work. Want to help? DM me.š§µ 9 of N
(DIR) Post #AWyH2eKQv9W6Mp8MrY by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T02:17:08Z
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So, to avoid the "Extend" of #EEE, which is the real risk point, what can be done since mass defederation won't protect ActivityPub? This isn't a new battle. Tons of efforts to #EEE open tech fail. As @emc2 has put well #OSS software has fought and won this battle many times. As @davew the godfather of RSS & Podcasting said: "Podcasting has withstood countless attacks like this, and has always been left standing as unsullied as ever." We know how to win this. Some tactics next.š§µ 5 of N
(DIR) Post #AWyH2gBe0nfu892NRQ by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T02:31:55Z
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First: Innovate and outcompete. Esp where you can do things giants can't. We can always outcompete Meta at being more private, ad-free, better moderated, more open. We need to compete on UX.XMPP may have been hurt by FB and Google's rug pull but my recollection was more like this user when asked why did XMPP die and SMPT thrived?Fedi clients, server software will need to just be better - something #OSS devs have done for years. And we can too.š§µ 6 of N
(DIR) Post #AWyH2gChwqWeBRXE6C by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T02:42:00Z
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What else can defend against the "Extend" of #EEE? Having a broad set of OTHER allies inside the tent of stakeholders. Growing the base of those who "embrace" it to even out the power dynamics. And btw, defederating developers PREMPTIVELY before they launch a single activtypub server, is the fastest way to make OTHER potential developers run for the hills. (Actually to run to Bluesky)The last thought for the night on this is what I think is the most important. Up next.š§µ 7 of N
(DIR) Post #AWyH2i76qdEg6evmeO by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T02:43:01Z
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BTW, re-reading this Hacker News post on XMPP reminds me of some claims against the Fediverse. Things we should be fixing and improving at light speed. (And I think are being upgraded fast)
(DIR) Post #AWyH2iYPD94PTJhaCG by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T02:49:55Z
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Last thought on #EEE: We need to support our standards makers STAT. The best defense against "extend" is a clear line of what we are defending.#ActivityPub has needed a robust "test suite" to test compliance for a while & good efforts were unfinished. They need to be picked up at warp speed. To see an example of his working for other tech see: https://webmention.rocks/The creator of the Wordpress ActivtyPub plugin said that he *wished* he had this.More on why in my last post next.š§µ 8 of N
(DIR) Post #AWzSmuuus3YTn2QIcK by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T16:33:11Z
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Project92 and the Fediverse - A Smarter Battle Plan to Protect the Open Social Web: https://www.timothychambers.net/2023/06/23/project-and-the.html
(DIR) Post #AWzc9JwDQJFfLimx72 by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T04:31:06Z
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š„ Hot take: š„ #Meta potential entrance into the Fediverse is the most over discussed topic on the Fedi right now. (very much Including by me)And #WordPress and #Wikipedia's recent embrace of the Fediverse is the least. And I suspect long term the later may have as much significance as the former. Maybe more.cc: @pfefferle @mediawiki @legoktm
(DIR) Post #AX06noFT97B1Z2171k by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-23T23:28:05Z
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Whatever is going on right now in #Russia, I do note this: #Twitter is now useless at tracking this. Junk accounts everywhere, no verified accounts, swarms of sketchy bluechecks. The ONE thing that place was good at was breaking global news. But not now.See everyone here tonight.
(DIR) Post #AX21V0RDUUDuPce7UW by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-24T23:28:13Z
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@stux @GargronFor the sickers: Want! š° For my standing desk.
(DIR) Post #AX5VUJ4wlRBc5yMlqy by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-26T15:48:22Z
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@stux Congrats on building that community out well and being a good and safe place for their social home.