Posts by denki@mastodontech.de
(DIR) Post #AaR6VWAzLFuBfXPK3E by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-04T19:28:30Z
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@troed @echo_pbreyerYour PlayStation example is indeed not planned obsolescence. (That does not mean that planned obsolescence does not exist, as you claim.)
(DIR) Post #AaR7DDIQtkV5r6j1G4 by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-04T19:36:24Z
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@troedI do not even claim that is not selected for by the consumer.I claim that it exists and that it is bad for society.
(DIR) Post #AaR7NiynxGCt12YYBU by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-04T19:36:52Z
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@troedI have given you an example already: ink cartridges.
(DIR) Post #AaR7XaLysin79r6BdY by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-04T19:40:05Z
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@troed"It seems your opinion is that the general public is bad for society."That is hyperbole again, I guess.I actually think that some things that the general public does are bad for society. For example: planned obsolescence.
(DIR) Post #AaR7cvPe0nObv4MHnk by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-04T19:41:03Z
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@troed Even though you make it hard to follow you by moving the goal post all the time, I think I have kept up.
(DIR) Post #AaS1TS3hNI9rhs9XjU by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T06:06:49Z
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@troed Actually it's done for the company. Companies are no welfare organizations; they (understandably) act with self-interest or in the interest of their shareholders.Of course they would not be able to do this if the consumer would not still buy their product.I am not disputing the role of the customer. But the practice is still planned obsolescence.
(DIR) Post #AaS4drMWS1ZkwVc1AG by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T06:29:30Z
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@troed I am not claiming that companies employ planned obsolescence with malicious intent to spite humanity. The definition of planned obsolescence does not require malicious intent.What I am claiming is:1. Planned obsolescence exists.2. Planned obsolescence is bad for society.Your claim that "'Planned obsolescence' is a myth" contradicts (1), but all your arguments went to the intentions/reasons for its use, not to its existence.
(DIR) Post #AaS4tiQPRnlZrDzVCK by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T06:45:11Z
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@troed Are we done with (1) now? Does that mean that you accept that planned obsolescence exists?
(DIR) Post #AaS5LuXxyKRTYqyDey by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T06:50:16Z
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@troed Cheap printers are not bad for society.Planned obsolescence, however, is. Mainly, this is because of the additional garbage that it produces which has to be cleaned up (by society) at some point in the future while causing problems in the mean time. This (externalized) cost is not paid by manufacturer or consumer and therefore the market cannot optimize for it.
(DIR) Post #AaS6C48bYfk2Mhyd7Y by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T06:59:41Z
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@troed Where do you read this in the definition?"In economics and industrial design, planned obsolescence [...] is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life or a purposely frail design, so that it becomes obsolete after a certain pre-determined period of time upon which it decrementally functions or suddenly ceases to function, or might be perceived as unfashionable."
(DIR) Post #AaS6Tz92rPEM5njAYK by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T07:02:56Z
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@troed This is not the definition as can be easily derived from words like "tends to work best" or "In these cases of".
(DIR) Post #AaS7FN1VtkujlEndi4 by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T07:11:30Z
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@troed This is irrelevant. I did not claim that smartphones belong there. Nor is the existence of planned obsolescence reliant on smartphones being examples of it.You are conflating the definition of a term with opinions that people have about what that term applies to.
(DIR) Post #AaS838BRuMvGH124Aa by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T07:20:29Z
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@troed I agree.You are just conflating "what people consider it to be" with "what people consider to be examples of it".
(DIR) Post #AaS8IXzoDleMfkwGki by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T07:23:15Z
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@troed 'Gay' is a good example.Just because some people consider someone to be gay who isn't does not change what is considered gay.
(DIR) Post #AaS8nlNSWFJL9RsylE by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-05T07:28:56Z
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@troed From one homosexual being (incorrectly) classified as happy?
(DIR) Post #Ab3rIVpRbUCVcF6w5Y by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-10-23T12:11:17Z
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@ZDFAutoverbot ≠ autoarme Innenstadt
(DIR) Post #Aby06V3M8FXz1lXObY by denki@mastodontech.de
2023-11-19T14:13:48Z
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@ZDF"Gehören Lebensmittel in den Tank und nicht auf den Teller?"Nein. Lebensmittel gehören auf den Teller."Das kleine Dorf Bollewick in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern hat es mit Biogas zur Energieunabhängigkeit geschafft."Und wie sieht es mit der Lebensmittel(un)abhängigkeit aus?
(DIR) Post #AlvnKzcVd2UfDamMU4 by denki@mastodontech.de
2024-07-01T15:21:18Z
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@ErikUden"Im großen Stil abschieben"Ist Olaf Scholz jetzt bei den Grünen oder hab ich was verpasst?
(DIR) Post #AmWIUluy6zgZcNNd2m by denki@mastodontech.de
2024-09-30T06:01:32Z
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@vriska Wikipedia defines ODD as "a pattern of angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, or vindictiveness". So, essentially, puberty is a disorder now.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder
(DIR) Post #AnGQ1672Ywwz7fXuTo by denki@mastodontech.de
2024-10-22T12:02:34Z
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@ErikUden "eine klassisch linke Debatte, wie sie tausendfach geführt und meist gescheitert ist"Sounds about right.Wenn's nicht so traurig wäre, könnte man lachen. Wir brauchen eine starke Linke Partei!