Post B5gigSCfz6ev2oH3ku by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
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 (DIR) Post #B5gNdY4ragfVM8ORHs by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T10:16:13Z
       
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       The US government hunting for the Leader of Antifa is like when they hunted for "Dorthy" the leader all of the gay men in the military and perhaps the world. The inability of conservatives to imagine that people have left wing values, or might be gay just... naturally that training and leadership aren't needed or wanted is both hilarious and disturbing. Trans people can't just exist, someone, some organization is making them trans! It will all in tears. The only question is whose tears.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gNuGGN4rRl1pkG3c by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T10:19:15Z
       
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       If the conservative imagination struggles with human behaviors that exist without command or hierarchy could it be that the left wing mind fails to see rigid structures of indoctrination used by the right?In other words is there an inverse and equally clumsy version of this error?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gO0PrmHkkgYBB0l6 by spz@mastodon.sdf.org
       2026-04-26T10:20:19Z
       
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       @futurebird given "it's all projection" does that mean these conservatives have no values of their own, they just follow some leader?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gO4xlqAjYurQZFei by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T10:21:10Z
       
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       In any case, there will be gay people and trans people even if you deleted the words from the dictionary, erased all of the history and put everyone in conversion camp.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gOAzuH8wX9DtOGjA by RogerBW@discordian.social
       2026-04-26T10:22:14Z
       
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       @futurebird Apparently "we met at conversion therapy" is the new "we met in drama club".
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gOG3Fi8Cev30pJ5s by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T10:23:11Z
       
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       Sometimes I think some of the things we consider "normal" for childhood are basically conversion camp. Like teaching boys to fear being called "like a girl" as the worst possible insult. Of course if you are a guy you don't want someone to say you are a girl, that's not who you are. But the dread and horror of such insults is kind of unnatural. It can be traumatic. *Every* man I know has a traumatic memory of doing something "for girls" by accident and getting attacked and humiliated for it.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gOUftlF91axaX5Iu by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T10:25:49Z
       
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       I don't think this revulsion is just natural, it's a high effort system done intentionally to keep women in our place. If a little boy thinks the pink toy is just as nice for him as the more masculine army green toys... well the whole world may fall into disorder. Cats and dogs living together and all of that.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gOfb1zgCs73Aaicy by RogerBW@discordian.social
       2026-04-26T10:27:46Z
       
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       @futurebird Huh. I genuinely don't recall that ever being a thing in my life any more than "spastic" (which was the casual insult of choice when I was a child, a generation earlier it would have been "bleeder").Which is possibly how I managed to have the joyous experience of reading a Georgette Heyer paperback on the Underground, while wearing a webbing jacket and being generally Large and Male, and watching people's minds go "ping".
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gP0YkDNR5U2UGsOu by huxley@mstdn.social
       2026-04-26T10:31:32Z
       
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       @futurebird I think the left fails to see that there doesn't have to be a hierarchy and control system for the right to do bad things that benefit them to the detriment of the majority. For instance, there doesn't have to be a conspiracy in place for Putin to meddle in elections in other countries to benefit candidates who are sympathetic to him. He'll be doing it anyway.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gPJyyi444su6JS9Q by Fragarach@social.vivaldi.net
       2026-04-26T10:35:02Z
       
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       @futurebird Even if you don't do it to your own children,  others will do it for you. "Don't be such a baby""Big boys don't cry"It's endemic. And harmful to all of us.Just to add to your "Every" man thing:as a boy, I'd seen the adverts for "Action Man" on TV.I asked for one for Christmas.I was quietly taken to one side by my father, who explained to me that he didn't want any son of his playing with dolls.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gPXzF1smslm4ck64 by NYSloth@masto.nyc
       2026-04-26T10:37:35Z
       
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       @futurebird As the former elementary school student who chose the flute as his school band instrument, I concur.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gSQ4gQ4AA2CJM1AG by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T11:09:42Z
       
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       @Anke If we astroturfed ideas they would be better ideas. LMAOI'm going to be looking for an opportunity to use the word "astroterf" now. And I don't mean a grouchy British lady in space.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gSYBq3LXjyhqjJVw by ulyssesalmeida@bolha.us
       2026-04-26T11:11:12Z
       
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       @futurebird
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gSgP2O9n2xxVPquO by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T11:12:45Z
       
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       @oddtail Being not the most socially perceptive kid I would notice boys and men being disgusted with and rejecting things for being girly so I just assumed those things were bad. Bad for everyone. I remember a boy being teased for having little flowers on his tie at a church service so I was very annoyed when my mom wanted me to wear flower prints. "no it's lovely and you are being very rude your grandmother bought this dress for you""but it's covered in disgusting flowers"
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gSj3UOjGthzrmXKq by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T11:13:15Z
       
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       @oddtail Why should I, a little girl delight in things that boys hated so much?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gSm3lABEpHhj3YI4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T11:13:46Z
       
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       @ulyssesalmeida Mass hysteria.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gStg506d9GZvy3k0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T11:15:07Z
       
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       @spz That sounds like such a mean accusation. But I kind of wonder.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gTtNWZC6wkz5HaFc by willyyam@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T11:26:17Z
       
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       @futurebird I think that the structure of religious indoctrination is consistently misunderstood on the left.Specifically, hypocrisy and intellectual incoherence is a tool to separate "us" from "them", and is a positive feature on the right.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gVYIcCS1vnaNzgR6 by stevewfolds@mastodon.world
       2026-04-26T11:44:52Z
       
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       @futurebird History education neglected to teach that trans people have existed throughout time and were accepted in many societies. Mendelian genetics did not cover the 32 potential human combinations. Author, Jan Morris, was perhaps my 1st introduction and a favorite travel writer. She transitioned in ‘72(?).
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gWeMTb6kV5FkQOuW by InkySchwartz@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T11:57:10Z
       
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       @futurebird Left wingers tend to almost unfailingly see it. The problem is sometimes they make up the connection where none exists.Except sometimes we later find out it is real and then that becomes part of the overall and disjointed narrative of resistance.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gWzwUaOeJ72HB5DE by epicdemiologist@wandering.shop
       2026-04-26T12:01:04Z
       
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       @futurebird And conversely (from the perspective of a "tomboy" growing up in the 60s), girls were shamed for being boyish, but there was an undercurrent of "it's understandable that you'd want to be a boy, but you can't, so cut it out."  Cf. characters like Scout in To Kill a Mockingbird and Anybodys in the original West Side Story.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gX8udKg3fXsPXv2O by Layan2002@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T12:02:42Z
       
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       @futurebird 😡
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gZSlqrEn0AL9T9t2 by Phosphenes@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T12:28:41Z
       
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       @futurebird What does it mean to be trans if there is no wall between genders to cross?I mean you're still you, but you didn't have to go anywhere to get there.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gZd8w4GaEEpVqtmK by LaughingCoyote@social.vivaldi.net
       2026-04-26T12:30:27Z
       
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       @futurebird They don''t even know what "Left" means (nor "conservative" either, for that matter)
       
 (DIR) Post #B5garl9R4vHxMUde52 by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
       2026-04-26T12:44:23Z
       
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       @futurebird it is interesting that I keep hearing about cats and dogs recently. The immigrants are eating cats and dogs. The Iranian government figures are infighting like cats and dogs. Boys talking with girls is cats and dogs living together. Idk maybe when trump is pissing he's so mighty and powerful that it's raining cats and dogs in the toilet bowl.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gd6JYy8Hjy3CeKTA by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
       2026-04-26T13:09:27Z
       
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       @futurebird This is all true, but I think it’s missing something.There’s something fundamental behind this, and it’s a different way of seeing the world alltogether.When how you organise events in life and the world, centers instead of finding out facts on power/dominance and in-group/out-group relationships, it makes all the sense in the world.Try to bend your mind to imagine a person for whom that is the primary lived experience, and all this is completely secondary!
       
 (DIR) Post #B5ggv9ocQvEcRyuAVs by DavidM_yeg@beige.party
       2026-04-26T13:52:15Z
       
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       @futurebird Clear and astute observations. 👆“I don't think this revulsion is just natural, it's a high effort system done intentionally to keep women in our place.”  It keeps men “in their place” too as you point out.The high effort system has a name: patriarchy, and it’s a natural bedfellow to supremacy.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5giGTs79vZsgoGuBM by GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
       2026-04-26T14:07:18Z
       
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       @futurebird This psychological profile fits exactly the dynamics of authoritarianism of any kind. The domineering psychological profile reasons about the world in terms of fighting another dominating male. By definition, the leader controls everything and determines everything.This is the sort of stuff cultural anthropologists worked out in the late 80s and early 90s.If you learn about it, the different pieces of democracy, egalitarianism, and tyranny fallen place
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gigSCfz6ev2oH3ku by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
       2026-04-26T14:11:58Z
       
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       @futurebird The strange thing to me is that the far right isn't some rigid unified hierarchy either. It's not like there's someone generally agreed as "the leader of the Neo Nazis". Or "The general of the militias". They're all a weird hodge podge of diverse far right fash clubs. I think it's less that they can't conceive of a loosely associated diaspora of groups, and more that they want to build it up as some boogie man, likely with some Jewish or Black or Trans person or whatever as "The Leader".
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gihAPHdat68eVkW0 by GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
       2026-04-26T14:12:07Z
       
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       @futurebird It’s not the case because an egalitarian mindset is ever vigilant against the domineering behavior all of us are subject to. The problem we all face is that all of us have been sold. The idea that there’s just left and there’s this right and each of them argued there is a compromise between freedom and prosperity when they are inseparable.Real left-wing mindset understands. They are inseparable and those parties that claim the mantle of compromise are by definition right wing
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gj76aYSLLhpG9SKW by burnitdown@beige.party
       2026-04-26T14:16:47Z
       
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       @futurebird it's because that's what they do and their imagination is so limited they can't imagine any other way to exist, and the idea of existing without hierarchy scares the shit out of them cause it would mean the end of their unearned power. they are nothing without it.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gjLmTxUemLoK42O8 by burnitdown@beige.party
       2026-04-26T14:19:27Z
       
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       @futurebird i've heard a lot of people say that anarchy is the default human position. most us are already anarchists and just don't know it yet.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gjSEbvpCpUmss3Lk by burnitdown@beige.party
       2026-04-26T14:20:39Z
       
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       @futurebird we know that white supremacy is a death cult.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gkT8FR4E99IUL9k0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T14:32:03Z
       
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       @Phosphenes You don't need a wall, but there are different ways to be, right?Like a vast field that gradually becomes forest. Are you a flower in the field or one that grows in the forest? Where does the forest end? it's blended but there are still differences.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gmIuMQ2r61ErrKy0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T14:52:35Z
       
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       @MonniauxD no... it's just nerds arguing And YOU can join them!
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gmnebuea09Mrlcjg by gooba42@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T14:58:04Z
       
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       @futurebird This is their hierarchical authoritarianism showing again.*They* don't have any stable identity or principles, they are entirely defined by authorities telling them who they are. They can't comprehend self-actualization or people having intrinsic identities.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gtOAo31lA9N4Ex3g by 2legged@mastodon.ie
       2026-04-26T16:11:57Z
       
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       @futurebird I don't think for a moment that leaders of #USA's various types of federal cops really believe that #antifa is an organisation with leaders. They are mostly well-educated people, who understand that the power of an idea can thrive without structure.They also understand the power of the #BigLie. The Big Lie that there is an organised conspiracy is powerful #propaganda to bbuild public support for repression, and to motivate enforcers.The BigLie is not folly. It's strategy #uspol
       
 (DIR) Post #B5guEhIRTU8LCDVCTo by thomasjwebb@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T16:21:27Z
       
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       @futurebird my theory is that in many cases, consciously or not, parents' gayday or transdar susses out their own kids early on and the subtle conversion therapy starts. Many queers (myself included) have stories that strongly suggest it doesn't start with any coming out.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gv70zmRyPdvefqzI by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T16:31:19Z
       
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       @thomasjwebb I'm bi and I was the last person to find this out. Of EVERYONE
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gvjO9cnKqal6Zo7U by thomasjwebb@mastodon.social
       2026-04-26T16:38:13Z
       
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       @futurebird Haha, it's funny how that happens. I wasn't the last to know (about me being trans) but people knew before I told them, including my wife.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5gvn3xnnyrdISnaLY by SteveClough@metalhead.club
       2026-04-26T16:38:49Z
       
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       @futurebird They rely so much on hierarchies - patriarchies in face - that they cannot imagine it is possible to have an idea without some such structure, some formal organisation.It is, in one respect, a simple lack of imagination - something that the right have always lacked. They cannot envision any way that the world, or any part of it, could be organised differently to what they see and have. How anyone can not wish to have power over others.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5h1WkqBjdHR51qOhc by BernieDoesIt@mstdn.social
       2026-04-26T17:43:08Z
       
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       @futurebird It never worked for me."Don't do that. That's what girls do.""What's wrong with that?""You're a boy.""So?"They didn't have a word for nonbinary when I was a kid but that doesn't mean I wasn't one.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5h8GViGuXrvCyLIp6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-26T18:58:38Z
       
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       @monstercollie @Fragarach "I remember a day where I tore the head off a Barbie because that's what boys were "supposed to" do. I was very sad before and after doing that."This is tragic. But it makes sense.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5ij5iwTHCR0VvfDzU by Wraithe@mastodon.social
       2026-04-27T13:26:00Z
       
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       @futurebird It absolutely is. It’s conformance.I “joke” that I remember picking out a NFL lunchbox at like 7-8 years old because it was “what a boy would carry” - I had absolutely no interest in football, and in advance decided that I liked The Miami Dolphins because… I liked dolphins.This stuff starts earlier than people like to think (as I learned after my daughter was born)
       
 (DIR) Post #B5jILyLfGDF5KCvnOq by ClimateJenny@biodiversity.social
       2026-04-27T20:01:03Z
       
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       @futurebird Did you get to order books from Scholastic in your elementary school classroom? We did, and one time there was a cool little cartoon book about early automobiles. My dad and I liked to look at old cars, so naturally I wanted it. Memory is fuzzy, but I seem to recall being asked if I had checked the wrong box on the form, and when the books arrived and I claimed the Big Book of Old-Time Motor Cars, people stared.Gender-nonconfirming maybe, but secure in my femininity, dudes.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5jk7bQeTXrku5CU2S by andthisismrspeacock@mas.to
       2026-04-28T01:12:15Z
       
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       @futurebird @Anke wait we can just launch her into space?  why have we not done this yet?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5jlhm46VVcQGqSvTs by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2026-04-28T01:30:02Z
       
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       @andthisismrspeacock @Anke space might spit her right back