Post B2kLUo1OILmTngcev2 by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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(DIR) Post #B2kFmfbhibMZBvk7cm by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
2026-01-28T02:17:01.581524Z
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a whole class of the old computers i like will become infinitely less usable under linux in particular the moment toolkits stop supporting X, and this is a genuine problem that should be taken seriously instead of saying "you should just buy shiny new AI-enabled razor thin bendable NPU thing and encourage the bastards ruining tech and just use wayland bro"
(DIR) Post #B2kFmgqz5HBD3btq52 by freya@chaosfem.tw
2026-01-28T02:20:04Z
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@wyatt fuck Wayland. It feels more like the windows graphics stack than anything else. local-first, assumed acceleration, can't just DISPLAY=ra:0 ./app, any Wayland rem oting is going to be full on remote desktop-style thing, not actual graphics remoting
(DIR) Post #B2kFmhVOf1VR4wo74S by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
2026-01-28T02:22:23.454804Z
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@freya for me most of my rage towards it is due to the "security model" of it where you aren't allowed to do jack shit unless your specific compositor explicitly provisions for it and different compositors provision for it in different ways and there isn't even parity for local features like ICC profile loading
(DIR) Post #B2kFmiHblm4RUTMcDY by freya@chaosfem.tw
2026-01-28T02:22:36Z
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@wyatt what the fuck
(DIR) Post #B2kFmix5HZFPZ6ljrk by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
2026-01-28T02:24:42.272282Z
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@freya BTW i *heavily* use X forwarding every single goddamn da on my LAN and so network transparency is probably the single biggest sticking point for me as well.Or it would be, but I use FVWM and ICC profiles and will give both up/cripple them under some form of wayland protocol wrapper over my dead body
(DIR) Post #B2kFmjx7Yus4fVnHYu by fiore@brain.worm.pink
2026-01-28T13:30:33.967053Z
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@wyatt @freya i think waypipe provides this on wayland tho ?
(DIR) Post #B2kFms9T4tV867dFuy by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
2026-01-28T02:25:03.851199Z
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@freya oh yeah also keyboard remapping etc.
(DIR) Post #B2kFnbldTplnZWps9o by 20000lbs_of_Cheese@freeradical.zone
2026-01-28T02:28:58Z
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@wyatt you're comparing wayland to fascist tech-bros pushing AI?
(DIR) Post #B2kGBWJZP9Ubbw6tns by fiore@brain.worm.pink
2026-01-28T13:35:18.247790Z
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@wyatt @freya like i partially agree w u but like . the state of the Xorg server was so so bad that something had to be done ? and i think the fact that waypipe works plain better than ssh -X (other ppls experience, not mine, sincr i dont use that feature) rlly shows this
(DIR) Post #B2kGWC5jmyAayHUxEG by fiore@brain.worm.pink
2026-01-28T13:39:01.638044Z
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@freya @wyatt fwiw i really hope toolkits dont drop X11 support , even just for compat reasons
(DIR) Post #B2kLUo1OILmTngcev2 by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
2026-01-28T14:03:54.687286Z
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@fiore @freya > the state of the Xorg server was so so bad that something had to be done ?X12, maybe. wayland, no.to head people off, if you say "wayland is X12" i will decapitate youalso X11 continues to work for me so I don't know if that's actually true
(DIR) Post #B2kLUp6OHFNH9TyALo by fiore@brain.worm.pink
2026-01-28T14:34:47.066923Z
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@wyatt @freya i mean even if it works , the state of the xorg codebases is suboptimal . there is a reason work on it slowed down to a crawland while i agree, wayland is definitely not an x12, what makes you think that an eventual x12 protocol would have kept backward compatibility with x11? why would that even be a priority ? the issues x11 does have (because come on . they are there) are really not the implementations fault, they are just a consequence of its designas i said tho , i definitely agree that toolkits (esp qt and gtk) dropping x11 support would be one of the dumbest ideas of this era of computing , that is for sure
(DIR) Post #B2l1F6c9ay1wuI0wb2 by Erato_Heti@social.xenofem.me
2026-01-28T19:27:54.582775Z
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@fiore @freya @wyatt oh true it is suboptimal. she cooked here. we have to move to something optimal. good call.
(DIR) Post #B2lUtTgM98iehjaCtk by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2026-01-28T18:46:23Z
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@wyatt This wayland vs x thing is so stupid. I gotta assume most users are "like me" in that i tend to use older, stable cheap hardware, do minimal configuration of a mainstream distro (Debian, here) and are not stay far away from edges that could cut me. I only schematically understand the technical basis of wayland vs x. It does seem serious but so much does sound like bro behavior.