Post B2cU3ecWlfTHpYtaVc by Alice@beige.party
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(DIR) Post #B2cU3ecWlfTHpYtaVc by Alice@beige.party
2026-01-24T18:28:27Z
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Do you think the eligible voters who withheld their vote for Kamala Harris understand that they're part of the problem, yet?
(DIR) Post #B2cU3fZ1GCG8kyGIgC by EllisDee@wolfgirl.bar
2026-01-24T19:33:02.350007Z
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@Alice probably not because women generally make terrible leaders
(DIR) Post #B2cU3mStbMWKA0S0bg by Alice@beige.party
2026-01-24T18:31:22Z
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I’m sorry that the Democratic candidate wasn't perfect enough for you to keep this absolute monster out of office.
(DIR) Post #B2cU3mStbMWKA0S0bh by Alice@beige.party
2026-01-24T19:30:59Z
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"I didn't vote for him!"No, but you also didn't effectively use your vote against him, either.
(DIR) Post #B2g76GaykE4JBtpjfc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-26T13:34:36Z
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@Alice> Do you think the eligible voters who withheld their vote for Kamala Harris understand that they're part of the problem, yet?Do you think the people who put a geriatric in office with an unelectable VP and refused to hold a primary when it was obvious the geriatric wasn't up to a second election understand that they're part of the problem yet?The people who refused the sandwhich with less shit in it are not the problem here. They could have had a much better choice, given a choice.
(DIR) Post #B2g9gYMkLrfaddbhE8 by troy_frizzell@mstdn.social
2026-01-26T14:03:31Z
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@strypey @Alice You know, I understand this point, but at the end of the day, the choice was between a fascist and a non-fascist and people chose to not vote against the fascist.I never liked or wanted Kamala Harris. She's a right wing cop. But she wouldn't have had people murdered in the street.It's not a beauty contest. It's people's lives. Voting for harm reduction is self defense.
(DIR) Post #B2goXGxLo6Eu9qQCES by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-26T21:41:17Z
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@troy_frizzell I agree with all of this. But if I was in the US I would have voted for the Greens, not Harris.Besides the events of the last couple of years were not known in advance, especially to people who don't live and breath politics. So I don't think it makes @Alice's victim-blaming fair. People who voted *for* Orange Stalin deserve that kind of opprobrium, but non-voters don't, especially in the context of widespread voter suppression.
(DIR) Post #B2h8Mkva22AP0hr8ZU by troy_frizzell@mstdn.social
2026-01-27T01:23:26Z
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@strypey @Alice Yeah, the US Green Party is, sadly, not up to the level of Green parties in other nations. I had voted for them for years until 2016. The threat posed by Trump made me realize that anything was better than a fascist pedophile. If I recall, shortly after the election I saw a set of photos and accompanying news story about the candidate for the Greens here in the US hanging out with Putin. So... our GP has some issues, unfortunately.
(DIR) Post #B2hF2y1uJBQdX7KJLk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T02:38:20Z
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@troy_frizzell> anything was better than a fascist pedophileBy that logic you'd have voted for a Dem candidate who was a fascist but not a pedophile, or a pedophile who's not a fascist. FYI this is exactly the same logic by which many people jusrified voting for Orange Stalin.> the candidate for the Greens here in the US hanging out with PutinCitation please? Sounds like Clintonite FUD to me.@Alice
(DIR) Post #B2hInbXU2ta5Fi1gTw by troy_frizzell@mstdn.social
2026-01-27T03:20:20Z
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@strypey @Alice Well, you can search Jill Stein and Putin and there is a web full of stuff. It DOES sound like Clintonite FUD, you're not wrong. But there is a lot of it. My actual point is that the GP in the USA is not in the same position as most GPs internationally.As far as voting for people who are fascist or pedophiles, one would hope that either would do to inspire a vote against.
(DIR) Post #B2hV1tRhSrqoIEtue8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T05:37:26Z
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(1/2)@troy_frizzell > one would hope that either would do to inspire a vote againstSo if the GoP put up a pedophile candidate, and the Dems put up a fascist candidate, who would you vote against? This is the way the candidates both parties put up since Obama have looked from the left. Which of them is the lesser evil is a 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin' question.
(DIR) Post #B2hVKBFrzOBsjw5Te4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T05:40:44Z
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(2/2)Take Harris for example. Not a pedophile (AFAIK), but in bed with the same class of technofascists Orange Stalin has enabled. At least with OS in the White House we don't have to put up with Dem partisans running interference for a fascist enabler President.This is why I'm not convinced electing Harris would have been the lesser evil, and why I can totally understand people not voting or casting protest votes for neither/ nor.
(DIR) Post #B2hVymwnGl5DDwWnUu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T05:48:04Z
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Oh, and I did this;> you can search Jill Stein and Putin ... and found exactly what I expected. Here's @democracynow's interview with Stein about her supposed involvement with Putin;https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/democracy-now/clip/why-jill-stein-attended-moscow-dinner-with-putin-and-flynn > It DOES sound like Clintonite FUDYou mean like this?https://www.thirdway.org/memo/red-alert-putin-puppet-jill-stein-and-her-russia-friendly-agendaIf it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
(DIR) Post #B2hXaOELiLCdWZEVfM by troy_frizzell@mstdn.social
2026-01-27T06:06:02Z
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@strypey I'm on the left. I didn't vote for Obama. He's not on the left. I am well to the left of the Democrats. That's not really the point. The point is one team is fascist and the other is merely shitty capitalists. One is deadly, the other merely sucks. We only get two choices here. It's not a good system.
(DIR) Post #B2hXzGoqPGcnmIAQdM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T06:10:35Z
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@troy_frizzell> The point is one team is fascist and the other is merely shitty capitalistsThat's your story. From where I'm sitting they're both fascist enablers, and have been for at least a couple of decades. Hell, Biden voted for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, which were morally equivalent to Putin's invasion of Ukraine or Orange Stalin's kidnapping of Venezuela's head of state. Establishment Dems continue to make excuses for the ongoing fascist genocide in Gaza. Same difference.
(DIR) Post #B2hYEstb7Xb0DLptR2 by troy_frizzell@mstdn.social
2026-01-27T06:12:56Z
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@strypey None of that is false and yet the fact remains, the Democrats didn't shoot us down in the streets and the Republicans are.Purity matters less when people are dying.
(DIR) Post #B2isB7DM8PRJhpWAaG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T21:31:30Z
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@troy_frizzell> Democrats didn't shoot us down in the streets and the Republicans areI'm glad you had that privilege. The people of Gaza didn't. I guess now you've got the tiniest insight into what US liberals have been enabling by shilling for establishment Democrats like Biden. And Harris, who probably would have won if she could have brought herself to condemn genocide and commit to stop resourcing it, at a time when people were occupying in huge numbers to call for that 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #B2isjVzGXKYmNoKXFw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-27T21:37:22Z
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(2/2)I respect your right of reply, so feel free to use it. I'll consider carefully anything you decide to say.But I doubt we're going to agree here. So I'm going to leave it there, in case this so far respectful debate descends into an argument.At the end of the day, if you're far to the left of Obama, we probably agree on far more than we disagree on. My thoughts are with you and your fellow citizens as you work to restore your country to some semblance of peaceful democracy.