Post B2Y3MZxwp4GBVCsHz6 by neauoire@merveilles.town
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(DIR) Post #B2XzgTzkKglmxUx2O0 by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T15:33:43Z
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https://www.forth.org/Ting/Forth-for-the-Complete-Idiot/Forth-for-the-Complete-Idiot.pdf#forth
(DIR) Post #B2Y0WZRNKaUAuFiCFU by tml@mementomori.social
2026-01-22T15:37:19Z
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@neauoire Are you suggesting the people at Sun who developed OpenBoot, which later became OpenFirmware, were idiots who didn't know computers?
(DIR) Post #B2Y0WntXafKljezt5s by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T15:43:08Z
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@tml This is not my own writing, and I doubt this is what C. H. Ting is suggesting either(that was written prior to openfirmware), but keep pulling on that thread and it may lead to why this language was chosen as a front-end for users to interface with.
(DIR) Post #B2Y1UOO5YSgC07hRZ2 by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-01-22T15:45:56Z
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@neauoire forth is not that great.
(DIR) Post #B2Y1UcPJQhydTyNcPo by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T15:53:56Z
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@lritter that's what the paper argues yeah, totally.
(DIR) Post #B2Y1jd7n2q923ELGrI by alderwick@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T15:56:43Z
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@neauoire yay, ableism :flan_angry:
(DIR) Post #B2Y28NGh8SkA74J2i8 by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-01-22T15:57:20Z
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@neauoire hehe. yeah ok but the argument is likely that it's too high level, right?
(DIR) Post #B2Y28bwKaSMpcFtUYK by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:01:11Z
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@lritter No, no, this book is like a .. early "Learning X for idiots", the author says you don't need to ask the language's high priests how to do any one thing, the language is a tool for the average cretin.
(DIR) Post #B2Y2g9mfmAXc8dN9H6 by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-01-22T16:04:12Z
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@neauoire ok but that's just what i contest. the "cretins" that it might attract might still not be average enough.
(DIR) Post #B2Y2gNhW28jbIh4EBE by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:07:17Z
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@lritter oh you meant great as in accessible? If so, yeah, I'm not sure, it's hard to say. I have .. toughts
(DIR) Post #B2Y2oI7Kg2XEIeulRw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-22T16:08:53.089902Z
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@neauoire @lritter Well probably comparable to the original Thompson Shell (same era).
(DIR) Post #B2Y2zYC5FF4hLWVPlI by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:10:41Z
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@lanodan @lritter yeah, there's a couple of these "simple" ideas which span an amount of irreducible complexity, which is not in itself simple at all.
(DIR) Post #B2Y36T2KolBHNWFBcu by mcc@mastodon.social
2026-01-22T16:09:17Z
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@neauoire @lritter Relative to 1984 it might be accurate, however. Like BASIC is not really that easy. It's easy to learn but that's not the same as it being easy to do things in.
(DIR) Post #B2Y36gmtgx9Q1h83VY by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:12:03Z
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@mcc @lritter Have you ever come across this episode of Computer Chronicles? I think it still is true today X)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-31sZfPMzwQ
(DIR) Post #B2Y3LLpTteKVMwKSEi by thedaemon@snac.9front.club
2026-01-22T16:11:22Z
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Ok, you've convinced me. Reading Forth tutorials now and test it out.
(DIR) Post #B2Y3MZxwp4GBVCsHz6 by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:14:56Z
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@thedaemon Have fun ^__^https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/1-forth-stacks-dictionary/
(DIR) Post #B2Y3uOveMfQH7KvZ2W by AlgoCompSynth@mastodon.social
2026-01-22T16:19:50Z
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@neauoire @mcc @lritter Were you looking for the episode with Elizabeth Rather? I've got that filed away somewhere.
(DIR) Post #B2Y3uciL6x5ts6o8Ei by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:21:02Z
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@AlgoCompSynth @mcc @lritter I have both, but I meant to share this segment when the guest says none of the standard programming languages are simple, not even BASIC.
(DIR) Post #B2Y46UDyVA7j14GH5c by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-01-22T16:21:48Z
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@neauoire @mcc heh. evergreen quote. but i like to think i'm about to crack it. might still take 1-2 years.
(DIR) Post #B2Y46iV9Q6BJIOPBo0 by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:23:15Z
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@lritter @mcc I can't wait to see what you come up with. The best contender I've ever come across is still this: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/pocket_rewriting.htmlBut I'm always on the lookout for even more distilled and approachable interfaces for computing.
(DIR) Post #B2Y4eKfUXOjHDxGsFs by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-01-22T16:28:21Z
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@neauoire @mcc the key is datalog. i saw an inkscape in there, a game engine, a database system, the important bit is flattened composition, and a visualizable approach. hard to explain. i go entirely by intuition.
(DIR) Post #B2Y4eYeaXYKEbCxLn6 by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T16:29:23Z
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@lritter @mcc I think you're right, that's what lead me there too. Keep it up, I love following your experiments toward that.
(DIR) Post #B2Y8xXYZF80oW0Rm2S by lhp@mastodon.social
2026-01-22T17:04:32Z
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@neauoire forth shares a weird attribute I also see in scheme: It allows for neat high level DSLs and very abstract code and it's clear that's the intention of the language, but the fundamentals are in some ways even lower level than C
(DIR) Post #B2Y8xkqlolITkE3ziS by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-22T17:17:37Z
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@lhp it has "spatiality" which fires a part of my brain that only some 2D cellular automata do, which I find quite interesting from a UX perspective.
(DIR) Post #B2YKZWstI0yuvkGofA by oblomov@sociale.network
2026-01-22T19:26:41Z
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@neauoire @lritter @mcc I'll be honest, my recent discovery of Inform 7 has made me re-evaluate the possibility of natural languages for programming.
(DIR) Post #B2bDiHSlsWRpVH9tjM by neauoire@merveilles.town
2026-01-24T04:54:56Z
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@kirtai I've been day dreaming about making a self implementation for uxn, something about that 8 opcodes VM feels like it would be fun play with..