Post B21OV3Z4cgHYhdtabY by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
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(DIR) Post #B1xEsQWexw45Lh7Fi4 by emilymbender@dair-community.social
2026-01-03T20:45:41Z
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Once again feeling like it's almost not worth posting to Mastodon given the degree of mansplaining that everything I put up here attracts.Why is it so hard to read the whole thread and/or acknowledge with a 'yes and' -- or maybe check who you are replying to/posting at? Gah.
(DIR) Post #B1xEsRwDiO6ZjG5BBo by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-04T21:59:28Z
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@emilymbender is there any pattern?imo servers should be more aggressive re blocking servers with users who regularly post unwanted replies, and slower blocking servers with users who post shitty opinions or bad info where nobody is tagged. having no algos means that being annoying even when you think you're being helpful is worse for the culture here than horrible shit that nobody will ever see.
(DIR) Post #B20eZ2vzdO4wxhGSgK by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T13:31:45.584967Z
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@emilymbender Terrible idea, par the usual for @wjmaggos The more you censor the servers you consider with "shitty opinions" the more people like me will connect the rest of the world to them.
(DIR) Post #B20qLv0iyweK4Xz5DU by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T15:43:32Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender but I'm arguing against that.
(DIR) Post #B20qtHMWtqrQx25hJY by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T15:49:52.623556Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender > imo servers should be more aggressive re blocking servers with users who regularly post unwanted replies,ie "unwanted" by people who, posting in public, expect everyone to just agree uncritically with them or let them waddle in ignorance. You are arguing in favour of more blocking of servers and to the extent you do this, you are redirecting *my* attention at the servers you are blocking and their "shitty opinions".
(DIR) Post #B219YMLLlJY6V4aqxc by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T19:18:26Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender I'm arguing for a way to make this service the most likely to be used by the most people expressing themselves as honestly as possible. People are more willing to tolerate views they disagree with than "die slur etc". I'm saying we do have to make such choices if we want most people here instead of on the corporate platforms. As the algos drive more people away, you have to give them something better than 4chan.
(DIR) Post #B21AJy5TFUsFAfrr3A by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T19:27:35.905843Z
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@wjmaggos > I'm arguing for a way to make this service the most likely to be used by the most people expressing themselves as honestly as possible.Whatever, censor.> People are more willing to tolerate views they disagree with than "die slur etc".Until people actually express them to someone like @emilymbender . Then it's annoying and "mansplaining" and the line has been crossed, and it's time to ban whole communities from communicating with eachother, possibly breaking the ability of thousands to millions of people to communicate> I'm saying we do have to make such choices if we want most people here instead of on the corporate platforms.No, "we" really don't.Instance-level blocking is damage to this network, and have and I will continue to route around it and help others do so.> you have to give them something better than 4chan.We do have something better than 4chan here, since people like me were banned from 4chan.
(DIR) Post #B21BKcIXqV8Xpxr8fA by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T19:38:35Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender whole communities of people who want the freedom to be the kind of asshole online, that they'd get walked away from (if possible) on the street. my ask is that they treat people online like they would in any other public setting.if there's a public forum, you still can't be annoying. if there are public spaces where being annoying is allowed, people don't go there. same here. crazy ask I know.you don't want the majority to be free to make spaces without jerks.
(DIR) Post #B21C44zY0hwPrNeGvY by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T19:47:08.117271Z
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@wjmaggos >hole communities of people who want the freedom to be the kind of asshole online, that they'd get walked away from (if possible) on the street. my ask is that they treat people online like they would in any other public setting.No, that's not your ask. You're asking for people to cut access to whole communities, some the size of large cities because of the actions of a couple of schizo "reply guys" who rub people like @emilymbender the wrong way> that they'd get walked away from (if possible) on the street. Exactly. You walk away from *that person*. not build a wall in the middle of two townships and make sure no one ever crosses it with drones.> if there's a public forum, you still can't be annoying. if there are public spaces where being annoying is allowed, people don't go there. same here. crazy ask I know.And so now we're going to be not allowed to be annoying on the fediverse, and you're going to enforce this with instance blocks too, I take it?> you don't want the majority to be free to make spaces without jerks.The fediverse is not a "space without jerks". Jerks should leave facebook and come here, too. You want to cut the ability of people to talk to their local doctor, veterinarians and climatologists because *some other guys in their community* are "jerks" or "annoying".
(DIR) Post #B21EJnB4D7xr9TemTA by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T20:11:50Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender yes, if possible, you deal with just that guy. and if you can avoid blocking by getting them to understand their replies go beyond normal, you do that.but instances are portals to a shared space. if you see the problems keep coming through the same door, it's ok to close it. especially when it only really means they have to find another door to use or create their own.can we talk about how the culture that grows on the servers you're advocating for is unwanted?
(DIR) Post #B21EUtTz6ntVtNnbTU by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T20:14:24.051068Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender >yes, if possible, you deal with just that guy. and if you can avoid blocking by getting them to understand their replies go beyond normal, you do that.correct> but instances are portals to a shared space. if you see the problems keep coming through the same door, it's ok to close it.Not if that door is what is connecting two entire communities.> especially when it only really means they have to find another door to use or create their own.Ah yes the "you can start your own instance if you have a problem with my blacklist blackballing you". Which works fine until you realize one of the biggest reasons why instances get added to #fediblock is for "federating with the usual suspects" and "being from some other instance that is on the blacklist">can we talk about how the culture that grows on the servers you're advocating for is unwanted?I'm not advocating for any servers. I'm advocating against censorship and prejudice against people who are part of servers *before they even attempt to communicate*.
(DIR) Post #B21FV8Nhocp23PXZx2 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T20:25:15Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender you're absolutely right about the problem with blocking for who they federate with etc. and it sucks that communities get cut off.but I bring up jerk fedi because your "open door no matter what" policy imo will inevitably lead to that culture dominating whatever then remains of fedi. most people want to be a lot more public and live in kindness than they do on jerk fedi. and what remains will be very straight white male and lean libertarian or conservative.
(DIR) Post #B21G2vgxV82EXnf2Js by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T20:31:45.299275Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender >but I bring up jerk fedi because your "open door no matter what" policy imo will inevitably lead to that culture dominating whatever then remains of fedi. That's some defeatist bs.> most people want to be a lot more public and live in kindness than they do on jerk fediI highly doubt that. Most people probably want to have private spaces, and to have access to other people -- a contradictory set of goals which the fedi doesn't really balance.>i. and what remains will be very straight white maleMost people in the world aren't straight white males so the pressure against this outcome will be, let's say, not trivial.> and lean libertarian or conservative.More defeatism. Gay space furry communism or chinese maoism or whatever could very well take the commanding heights. It all depends on political struggles and which groups build and hold the instances of the future. More likely there will be different political groups in different servers...as there was since at least the sealion.club days
(DIR) Post #B21GC6VceW3ahPjW9A by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2026-01-06T20:33:07Z
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@wjmaggos @jeffcliff @emilymbender Jarkko Oikarinen introduced the Q:line to IRC for a good reason. #lang_en
(DIR) Post #B21GHTQUsEotDwtctE by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T20:34:22.875592Z
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@ellenor2000 @wjmaggos @emilymbender And this is one thing that makes the fediverse better than IRC : that you can *route around the equivalent of Qlines* here
(DIR) Post #B21H4JwmuDpm0xIAc4 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T20:42:57Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender you're right about private spaces but that's not we're doing here. people are merging groups etc with social media and that's a problem but a different conversation for when the tech is different...you can call it defeatism except experience with your moderation policies on jerk fedi proves you wrong. totally open social media means assholes dominate, and at least in my part of the world, that almost always comes with other characteristics.
(DIR) Post #B21HM4sbfHgUUonsS8 by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2026-01-06T20:44:30Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender @wjmaggos That's *not* a good thing. #lang_en
(DIR) Post #B21HM6L0FBzd1B64Lw by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T20:46:23.893712Z
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@ellenor2000 @emilymbender @wjmaggos Yes it is. We would be able to federate with eris.berkeley.edu if it still existed *regardless of what ninnies like you think*
(DIR) Post #B21HZOlP34iVvfmmu0 by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T20:48:49.105484Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender > you can call it defeatism except experience with your moderation policies on jerk fedi proves you wrong. Wrong about what? That non-conservatives can win here? No. I refuse to cede you that ground. And note *none* of the instances have 'my' moderation policies. My instance isn't up yet. There's problems out here too.> totally open social media means assholes dominateNo, it doesn't. It means we can identify and deal with assholes. With gas chambers if necessary.
(DIR) Post #B21I2YsgVkp7hp68GW by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2026-01-06T20:47:41Z
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@jeffcliff That's hilariously quaint. «Ninny»? You cannot be taken seriously, and thank the gods of The Social that you aren't! Delete your account, scumbucket. #lang_en
(DIR) Post #B21I2aR6jFx8WsD8Yi by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T20:54:04.728529Z
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@ellenor2000 食べ a bag of beryllium dildos, غبي puercos. ps ti 319 followers 🤏
(DIR) Post #B21IQfIuHZVWZmrAYa by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T20:58:03Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender how does most of jerk fedi moderation policies differ from what you want? isn't it by far the closest?the straight white male libertarian conservatives "win" in those places by being the most annoying. they drive out other voices. what they write leads to a culture on those servers nothing like what we see from the vast majority of social media users everywhere else (where their kind of posts are much more moderated). having to block each jerk (and dogpiles) sucks.
(DIR) Post #B21JyWAYqp3g2tev8y by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T21:15:46.469138Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender >how does most of jerk fedi moderation policies differ from what you want? isn't it by far the closest?Depends on the server. Poast blocks @NonPlayableClown and kicks people for being journalists. SPW blocks pawoo and prohibits fedposting. baraag.net (are they even on jerkfedi??) doesn't disclose who they block and prohibits sharing others art(which makes sense for what they are but still). DRC is pretty free but blocks shit.poster.place(lol) . NCD are pretty much puritans. spinster prohibits "hate speech" and blocks humblr/some porn instances. yggdrasil prohibits being pro-racemixing. [ryona agency seems ok.]> the straight white male libertarian conservatives "win" in those places by being the most annoying. they drive out other voices.Straight white males "win" in poast because poast is built by and populated by straight white males. Same with NCD. Same with DRC. Same probably with yggdrasil. They may or may not drive nonwhites away also - but the reason why on those instances you see a lot of white male voices is because *that's where they have been forced to after being banned from everywhere else*. Your censorship is forcing the tide in *actual* free space to tilt right-leaning.Generally see: #killallnormies> what they write leads to a culture on those servers nothing like what we see from the vast majority of social media users everywhere else (where their kind of posts are much more moderatedOf I don't "see" what you clearly see in those other social media spaces because I'm banned from most of them. Which is what your "moderation" means in practice - excluding people from me from every social space until we're stuck with nobody but a bunch of conspiracy theorists, nazis, schizos, terfs and antivaxxers.> having to block each jerk (and dogpiles) sucks."having to deal with individuals often means some of them are jerks" muffin.
(DIR) Post #B21KsMGGsKgZX8xMgq by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T21:25:34Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender @NonPlayableClown "They are all so different.""I can't see the other world.""just suck it up"you know the culture I'm talking about on the widely blocked servers and how it differs from what most people obviously prefer. you have no answer for how the moderation policies you want will stop that from dominating the rest of fedi and make even fewer people want to use it. too bad only works when you're the only option. so I'm looking for a compromise.
(DIR) Post #B21LNkZ0ZPx7smgo4G by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
2026-01-06T21:31:32.754778Z
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>Poast blocks @NonPlayableClown Feel free to ask me how to get banned from poast :HappyDanielS:
(DIR) Post #B21Ld1ZRcXzayNB1iy by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T21:34:17.364374Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender @NonPlayableClown > you know the culture I'm talking about on the widely blocked serversI listed the most widely blocked servers and how I disagree with each of them. Note that we started with "jerks" and "annoying people" and eventually wound up with entire cultures and 'white men' and their 'culture' needing to be taken down from positions of authority in spaces they built. Curious, that.> and how it differs from what most people obviously prefer. Ah yes a bandwagon argument. Most people have probably not even heard of the fediverse. They haven't thought this stuff through.> you have no answer for how the moderation policies you want will stop that from dominating the rest of fedi jesus herbert squid your vision of how powerful "they" are is probably a nazi wet dream. Yes I do have an answer: *not running from them and ceding the fediverse to them a priori*. Not keeping people who could actually resist them from seeing those who need resisting, and tilting the scales against people like me further.> so I'm looking for a compromise.The "compromise" with censors is for me to connect the rest of the world more closely with those who you try to silence and censor. To give more good faith to those who you would censor. To give more chances, more rope. And the more you try to censor, the more I will do so.
(DIR) Post #B21MGY6SbE9JAFSzKa by lor@unredacted.social
2026-01-06T05:33:28Z
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@emilymbender block them
(DIR) Post #B21MPG6StN0lwdccJE by Rom13AncapHypoc
2026-01-06T21:43:02.442651Z
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@emilymbender Weaker vessel 🤣
(DIR) Post #B21MUJ6HB1q6ggwNyC by Rom13AncapHypoc
2026-01-06T21:43:57.183001Z
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@emilymbender A university of Washington professor unironically using the Fedi opening herself up to unfathomable trolling.Only a woman would be this stupid 🤣
(DIR) Post #B21MZSRZrhQH78MOxc by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T21:44:33Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender @NonPlayableClown most of fedi blocks those servers. so the culture I'm talking about is what persists among those servers that are impacted by having to individually block the worst jerks. it's not 100% but anybody who has spent time federating with them know what I'm talking about, maybe almost as well as you know how the rest of us use social media.all the censorship those servers you mentioned do, yet you're focused on mastodon dot social etc. why?
(DIR) Post #B21McrE4BMzIqKf5hA by Rom13AncapHypoc
2026-01-06T21:45:29.904876Z
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@emilymbender On second thought, maybe the Fedi is becoming so mainstream that attracting more users will increase the likelihood that there will be worthy accounts to follow instead of being "Oops All Pedos".
(DIR) Post #B21MinU50USKyYz4kK by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
2026-01-06T21:46:31.607175Z
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> but anybody who has spent time federating with them know what I'm talking aboutJust make fun of them.You'd be surprised how people fold if you know what to say :HappyDanielS:
(DIR) Post #B21NNkbIdHrPuCtC08 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2026-01-06T21:53:39Z
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@jeffcliff @emilymbender @NonPlayableClown again, to the degree mastodon dot social etc is blocking those servers for right-wing posts, I'm on your side.but I won't argue for those servers if they don't police their users who post "die slur" etc. do you know of servers I should support based on my criteria?
(DIR) Post #B21NbQMOgNo5BYRGVM by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
2026-01-06T21:56:25.716691Z
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Yo
(DIR) Post #B21OI4mim7skir5ccC by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T22:04:07.820730Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender @NonPlayableClown Because you're speaking in favour of *more* of it. And are going more or less unchallenged in your doing so, modulo me. If there's a movement to change things for the worse out here in 'jerk fedi' i'll almost certainly be in those threads too.Also: pretty sure you're the first to mention m.s in this thread: and note: m.s federates somewhat with SPW (ie 'limited' federation) and probably a few of the others. >most of fedi blocks those servers. :doubt: Most of fedi is on "threads" and threads federates with SPW and poast. This is what happens when you live in a echo chamber though -- you think everyone else is in it with you. You don't realize that *most fedi servers do not block SPW, do not block poast, do not block NCD, etc etc etc*. It's a (significant) minority that does. with a (significant) minority of users of the whole network on them.>so the culture I'm talking about is what persists among those servers that are impacted by having to individually block the worst jerks.As if that's the only thing happening where this 'culture' occurs - again the "culture" of an instance like poast or DRC or spinster is defined in large part by who built it, and why they built it, common language, interests, etc. And then it depends a lot on the political choices made as it has to face crises within itself and in its interactions with other groups. Though I'll grant you this much: at least you're willing to accept your outgroup *has* culture.
(DIR) Post #B21OQSmLRyYXSGufDs by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
2026-01-06T22:05:38.197821Z
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In all seriousness if you want to talk to normal people on this side of fedi.Talk to these folks: @feld @sun
(DIR) Post #B21OV3Z4cgHYhdtabY by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-06T22:06:28.121716Z
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@wjmaggos @emilymbender @NonPlayableClown > but I won't argue for those servers if they don't police their users who post "die slur" etc.That's your prerogative. > do you know of servers I should support based on my criteria?Why don't you look through https://fba.ryona.agency/ for blocks being made for that purpose? I'm not going to do the heavy lifting here i have stuff to do.