Post B1v2HfC7sROSMYIMBk by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
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 (DIR) Post #B1srr4kTN91zwN7k2K by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
       2026-01-02T19:23:00Z
       
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       OTOH why?..#tax #vero #businessfinland #yrittäjät
       
 (DIR) Post #B1sw8a8OKk0C1NumB6 by L29Ah@qoto.org
       2026-01-02T20:10:56Z
       
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       @nobody Likely because labor unions don't care about other kinds of arrangements.
       
 (DIR) Post #B1sxcGvAQsLr4eRzLE by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
       2026-01-02T20:27:33Z
       
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       @L29AhPlausible, although I expe{t this rule would've been lobbied by the corporate rather than by the unions? Income taxes, ultimately, are priced in and paid for by the employers, so it's the employers who make the margin by recording per diem as tax-free?
       
 (DIR) Post #B1sywtmRlQNBL8lrV2 by L29Ah@qoto.org
       2026-01-02T20:42:27Z
       
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       @nobody It becomes the same thing once you study the economy and dive into negotiations. If your KPI is raising workers' income, solving it through pushing tax reductions and simultaneous salary raises is a possible solution. The screenshot looks like what a truckless trucker labor union or so would aim for.
       
 (DIR) Post #B1v2HfC7sROSMYIMBk by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
       2026-01-03T20:29:16Z
       
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       i might have to "hire" myself after all, to record the per diem stuff; feeling very angry, every paragraph of their guidelines contradicts the next, and when I look up the same keywords on finlex.fi I usually get nothing. I seriously begin to suspect that half of their documentation is made up ant not grounded in any "laki" ("acts"). And seeing as it takes on average a paragraph to run into a contradiction, I have to assume that it's some kind of a markov process
       
 (DIR) Post #B1weLOpAfqdSALj6iO by nemobis@mamot.fr
       2026-01-04T15:10:24Z
       
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       @nobody Have you already checked https://www.vero.fi/syventavat-vero-ohjeet/ ? Usually it has references to court cases.Is your accountant able to help with such matters?
       
 (DIR) Post #B1zBEg8BcCxqcNwYs4 by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
       2026-01-05T20:28:24Z
       
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       @nemobis Kiitos! Yes I'd gone through the English version of that page.> accountantstill on the lookout for 1:)
       
 (DIR) Post #B20GA2GkZZCkl8VxrM by nemobis@mamot.fr
       2026-01-06T08:58:16Z
       
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       @nobody I mean guides like https://www.vero.fi/syventavat-vero-ohjeet/ohje-hakusivu/48013/tyomatkakustannusten-korvaukset-verotuksessa6/ which exist only in Finnish and mention several court cases. You might need a different one though, because this only concerns income tax. Maybe one of https://www.vero.fi/syventavat-vero-ohjeet/ohje-hakusivu/?page=1&tag=3792 like https://www.vero.fi/syventavat-vero-ohjeet/ohje-hakusivu/48858/yrittajaosakkaan_asunnon_ja_tyopaikan_v2/ . It cites a court case from 2008: «Osakeyhtiön osakas saa vähentää asunnon ja yrityksessä olevan työpaikkansa väliset matkakustannukset vain, jos hän on saanut verovuonna tuosta yrityksestä palkkatuloa (KHO 2008:69 ja 16.9.2008 t. 2240).»