Post B1lyiqa3VJdfFsYUDo by benh@mastodon.scot
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(DIR) Post #B1lun2b8Mkq3rsnuHA by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-12-30T10:48:06Z
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@EricLawton I'm sitting in the picture above (only with central heating), reading the stories about Donald Duck (since my childhood).In Europe, they are published under licence by different publishers and have changed very much. Donald is still the role model of kindness, love, and curiosity, of course still clumsy.But the topics have much to do with greed, climate, and environment. Even Scrooge has changed: he has to learn that his behaviour@clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @futurebird @Dianora
(DIR) Post #B1lun3cwXVsd3merjc by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-12-30T10:51:36Z
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@EricLawton would ruin the world and that he has to act differently. Best teachers: his nephews.In the title story above e.g., Scrooge dreams to change every tree into a dollar-growing tree. Only Donald andf the nephews see that would destroy nature. They fight, and when the trees of greed nearly destroy Scrooge, he has to learn ...I don't like Disney as a company - but that's also a Disney product. Made in Europe.@clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @futurebird @Dianora
(DIR) Post #B1lun4gsaMcgMHVWVc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-30T10:52:47Z
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@NatureMC @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora Disney like many big companies, could hire some of the best artists and good artists deal in truth instinctively.
(DIR) Post #B1lv5h5aYk4gf5wYEq by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-12-30T10:56:09Z
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@futurebird oh yes. In Europe, especially the Italian and French cartoonists of Donald Duck are legendary ... (I have no idea, if the American version of these books changed like this, we have nearly no American stories included). @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
(DIR) Post #B1lxaDBryJMoomYq48 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-30T11:24:02Z
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@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora This is so validating. I've never liked either of these ... but especially Alice (adapting Alice in Wonderland is dangerous, there are so many bad versions) but always felt shouted down. Or I thought "maybe this is for small children and I just need to chill"The thing about good children's media is ... well it still normally good media. Adults should like it too.
(DIR) Post #B1lxo3rhRKdTwyjMO0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-30T11:26:38Z
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@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora Alice in Wonderland is ... an intellectually book that is obsessed with the intricacies of language, philosophy and mathematics. It revels in wordplay, paradoxes, and complexity. The Disney movie just turns it into "goofy adventure how quirky" and shy's away from the whole concept of a "rabbit hole" being a touchstone for getting lost in the world of the mind. It makes it less complex in a way that is an insult to the audience.
(DIR) Post #B1lyGryshhafURpJXU by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2025-12-30T11:31:50Z
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora My favourite story about Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is that Queen Victoria liked it and asked Lewis Carroll for a copy of his next book. His next book was The Fifth Book of Euclid Treated Algebraically, and he dutifully sent her a signed copy. I am not sure if she read it.
(DIR) Post #B1lyYVKzd7ieTXZuFc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-30T11:34:58Z
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@mina @david_chisnall @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora It feels kind of like a call out in some ways though... do you get that feeling? like something my aunt would tell me then look at me pointedly as if I'm supposed to say something or learn something.
(DIR) Post #B1lyiqa3VJdfFsYUDo by benh@mastodon.scot
2025-12-30T11:36:52Z
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @DianoraI grew up listening to this BBC radio adaptation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur_BXx4_mqYWhich (I think) treads that delicate line between mass market entertainment and academic recreation
(DIR) Post #B1lyuyCezNkYN5OQ9w by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2025-12-30T11:39:05Z
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora To me, it reflect’s both Carroll’s view that all of his books were about mathematics and philosophy, his sense of humour (you did get what you asked for!) and his slight insecurity about being remembered for the works he regarded as more trivial rather than his serious academic publications. Of his non-fiction, I have only read his book on symbolic logic and I found the writing style quite engaging (though a lot more dry than in his fiction), and maybe he felt a monarch should have a stronger grounding in mathematics.
(DIR) Post #B1lz2X3fnUEUV1nMlU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-30T11:40:26Z
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@david_chisnall @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora Telling stories for children, treating them with care patience and respect is also very important work. Just like mathematics. Though, being a math teacher I *would* say such a thing.
(DIR) Post #B1lz7uQuJlgGRWE7iC by simon_brooke@mastodon.scot
2025-12-30T11:41:23Z
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora but isn't that true of all Disney films ever? The Sword in the Stone is another particularly egregious example.
(DIR) Post #B1lzJUNszZt384Kqga by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-30T11:43:32Z
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@simon_brooke @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora The Lion King and Snow White are quite good IMO. Bambi is amazing. Fantasia is one of my favorite films. They can make good animated films.
(DIR) Post #B1lzKLLE6CFdNAUyOm by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2025-12-30T11:43:33Z
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora I agree, and the Alice books probably did more for mathematics than the vast majority of academic writing in the 19th century. But they didn’t garner as much respect.
(DIR) Post #B1m8avv6lc6v2ZGeB6 by catselbow@fosstodon.org
2025-12-30T13:27:28Z
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@futurebird @david_chisnall @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora Not really on-topic: I use the Project Gutenberg text of Alice a lot in the introductory programming class I teach. We find the average word length, make a histogram of letter frequency, find the longest word, etc. I'm surprised at how many students have never read it.
(DIR) Post #B1mFOrNyV1QBBIxZS4 by clarablackink@writing.exchange
2025-12-30T14:43:44Z
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Arguably, the best Disney movies came from the artists involved working within the constraints and still trying to make art.The biggest problem as they've gobbled up everything is that artist vision is increasingly sanitized both within that system and by that system being seen as a valid venue for art. Which, its important to admit that it mostly is not even though occassionally little rebellions come through.@futurebird @simon_brooke @mina @EricLawton @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
(DIR) Post #B1mdhE41Jq8Nd2utKC by Catfish_Man@mastodon.social
2025-12-30T19:15:58Z
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@futurebird one of the (many) things I love about the webcomic Namesake is that it starts with Alice but actually engages with its complexity and strangeness and love of stories to build something new.
(DIR) Post #B1muVqc7raYow41t2m by odiledemonicat@mastodon.social
2025-12-30T22:24:22Z
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora Alice's adventures in Wonderland: A delve into the mind of a neurodivergent kid trying to find logic & sense in a world of artificial social rules of politeness, integrating game theory, poetry, language & philosophy in interesting ways for child readersAlice in Wonderland: Everyone runs around being zany w little character consistency & Alice is kinda just a generic polite English girl which defeats the main point