Post B199dEhYAFlUBqObHk by patris@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #B16jN6JyZH5yRR5wYq by jb@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T14:01:47.421231Z
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Another example of why being in debt is so insidious (Also the EU logo is so lulzy framed as a halo around its corrupt minions) https://nitter.poast.org/Megatron_ron/status/1998389965076529242?s=20
(DIR) Post #B16jfGnKMnci8XUHdg by Cleisthenes@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T14:05:05.320332Z
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try and collect would be the lulzy response
(DIR) Post #B16js2H7f2SGs0VkOm by jb@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T14:07:23.573575Z
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me hoping they do it
(DIR) Post #B16kQxVrMJeGEf3aRk by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T14:13:41.300497Z
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@jb That post is bs tho.
(DIR) Post #B16kVOPJJAoGnz6juy by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T14:14:29.180370Z
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@jb like all that would do is tank their own economies.
(DIR) Post #B16mJ70KNzjDGRh6Bc by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2025-12-10T14:34:24.953693Z
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@ins0mniak @jb That's always the skipped over part as they sell their treasuries but what do they get? Dollars. It would drive up the dollar and drive down the Euro (which is only kept alive anyway via IOUs from the Fed).Note that doesn't mean that they're not dumb enough to do it.
(DIR) Post #B16mhW86cbwq8hyAro by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T14:39:05.875367Z
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@EvilSandmich @jb From what I can tell that story is coming from a few tabloids that picked it up from Russian state media. Things are interconnected in our highly globalised economy that a large destabilisation in one country especially the US would trash most everyone else's economy. Remember the 2008 crisis? That was like a nuke going off in the international system, everybody got fucked. I mean if they were dumb enough to do that , it would be the end of the trans-atlantic alliance. Like, they'd really be on their own. "deal with the Russians on your own"jb is damn right about our debt being retard high. The debt to GDP ratio is the highest its been since ww2. that puts a huge amount of strain on the economy.
(DIR) Post #B16n11R2SASWjX7rjE by IlDuWuce@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T14:41:41.303788Z
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Please let the deal sink let the EU crash the American market let America abandon the EU and keep them defenseless against Russia or China
(DIR) Post #B16nKekGWVxW9aTu9w by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2025-12-10T14:45:55.385185Z
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@ins0mniak @jb On a recent podcast I listen to a guy called it a global game of poker where everyone is bluffing, and everyone knows everyone is bluffing, so no one will call a bluff.Thing is, someone (Japan) will eventually run out of fake chips to throw into the pot.
(DIR) Post #B16nNKOidDMFupg2ca by jb@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T14:46:40.028411Z
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Mutually Assured Destruction
(DIR) Post #B16nXt48aj5IKg5Lyi by WTFPurpleAlpaca@poa.st
2025-12-10T14:39:41.652890Z
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@jb Yeah but what could America do to the EU? Bearing in mind we destroyed their little northern gas pipeline and they did nothing and will continue to do nothing.
(DIR) Post #B16nakPXE6N2MISRP6 by jb@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T14:49:05.444587Z
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EU is like a woman The most cruel thing that one can do to them is ignore them
(DIR) Post #B16nhyMVkq95eeULtA by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T14:50:23.283263Z
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@EvilSandmich @jb Econ is a lot of game theory. Like all these Republicans talking about uncoupling from China.....like that's never going to happen. That would be devastating for us and them, its actually called the McDonalds theory. Basically it goes that any two countries with a McDonalds won't go to war with each other because of shared economic dependency. It sounds a bit flippant but its a good way of talking about how that phenomenon emerges.I always get annoyed at like....Zero Hedge and all those blogs and shit that are constantly going on about "the collapse of the economy!"99% of that shit is just clickbait.
(DIR) Post #B16nog9RrMsPCbZnHc by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T14:51:35.837611Z
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@jb @EvilSandmich yeah and plus we could do a lot to really fuck them back. Like they don't have a tech sector like we do, the us could really limit their incoming technology and such. That alone would be a huge blow.
(DIR) Post #B16qBFom8IGq6Dnbn6 by NoDoxGregBrady@poa.st
2025-12-10T15:18:06.355792Z
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@jb @Cleisthenes >“If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.”It would be, without hyperbole, a declaration of war. They will never collect it.They could, in theory, fix their shit. The unignorable first step would be to remove every brown in all of Europe. At the same time, they would need to incentivize child-bearing, food-production, and manufacturing (as well as re-invigorate inventiveness).That will take 20 years, at minimum.Of course, Europe being run by the jew, they could attempt to start all of this without any intention of winning. This would kill a lot of Whites. Which is their goal.
(DIR) Post #B16sYNkF1imDFjpnAu by heytomjones@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T15:41:05.300860Z
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if measured in Turnings, 80-100 years would be accurate
(DIR) Post #B16sa4TtcT5i5Rzim8 by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T15:45:00.087519Z
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@jb That will work out about as well as cutting Russia off from the global credit system did.
(DIR) Post #B16sdIo0om1DNkwbtg by Paleface@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T15:37:09.360818Z
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"Dumping" them where? I won't mind collecting all that paper if they make bearer bonds of it (the US only has the obligation to pay them on maturation, right now they'd have to find buyers, which wouldn't affect the US at all).
(DIR) Post #B16sdJqAyDLMakxquO by Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta@poa.st
2025-12-10T15:45:33.873038Z
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@Paleface @jb Nobody will buy them. Those who can afford it outside the eu are basically China and japan/korea. They wont. Nobody else can afford them.
(DIR) Post #B16t2Yx1vViohDCvMu by heytomjones@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T15:48:29.514547Z
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you know...the Fourth Turning thing. (really it's called a saeculum but it came out Turning)
(DIR) Post #B16te2pbnMfK5BboS8 by heytomjones@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-10T15:52:51.650038Z
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me too but i'm making it up as i go. this is where my mind was when i jumped in to ruin y'all's conversation: https://www.fourthturning.com/books.html
(DIR) Post #B16tvfgWalqBVWlUXY by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T16:00:06.657886Z
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@ins0mniak The US is still stronger than the EU. Ukraine is in trouble because the EU doesn't have a real army or any capacity to manufacture weapons and ammunition at scale. US is also in a sad state - but not that sad. US could revitalize a lot faster, just look how they're fast tracking energy production and throwing up data centers and chip fabs. Europe's idea of an AI initiative is putting 24 million euros into a few pilot programs. The US is investing a billion+ bucks a day. European products don't move the needle anymore. Asia vs. America is where the action is.
(DIR) Post #B16u1e9jBp32VFH2Qa by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T16:01:10.435292Z
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@judgedread Pretty much only two games in town, US and China.I mean if the euros hate us so much....they're really gonna love it when China moves in.
(DIR) Post #B16u6VyV2BVeZsLKr2 by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T16:02:04.209011Z
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@ins0mniak I can't comment on the causes but all you have to do is look at the leaderboards for any industry and you can see that there are precious few Nokias remaining in the game.
(DIR) Post #B16uFt8WHzkF1CV2dU by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T16:03:44.918318Z
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@judgedread Yeah i kinda brought that up, they have next to no tech sector. Tech pretty much dominates everything, it wouldn't take much for us to grab our toys and go home.
(DIR) Post #B16uKly2N4OgEQvRrc by NoDoxGregBrady@poa.st
2025-12-10T16:04:38.520954Z
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@heytomjones @s2208 @Cleisthenes @jb I don't think it would take that long. "Golden Ages" usually start the same year the is exiled from a Nation. That's all it would take.Remove the shackles, and they would self-organize into something immediately-better.They cannot correct or improve while being led by a race who hate them and want them dead.
(DIR) Post #B16uXPV5DL4kJfPOa0 by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T16:06:55.865976Z
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@ins0mniak The tech podcasts I listen to all scratch their heads about this because on paper Europe has it all. Intelligent highly educated people, a scientific and technical tradition centuries old, a gigantic common market, respect for law and very little crime.Economists and even far right fanatics would predict that the EU would crush all competition.But the US has an X factor beyond the dreams of economists and political partisans.It's why we alone landed men on the Moon.
(DIR) Post #B16uoGscW9p8VHSRqi by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-10T16:09:58.359763Z
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@judgedread They'll never get it. Its why they're throwing these legal fits and suing companies like x. they can't compete on the level of innovation.
(DIR) Post #B16xbxe6VHxnEmUPpo by petra@poa.st
2025-12-10T16:41:22.263935Z
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@judgedread @ins0mniak The push back against 996 tells me everything.Yes, if you live your entire life working that way (and it's 997 for a lot) you will burn yourself and your physical and psychological health right out to an early grave.But to really accomplish something great you have to be able to push yourself to that standard for good stretches of time. Weeks and more usually months. I'd say a year tops. Running a business, solving hard engineering and theoretical problems. You have to be able to do it.It surprises me how few people really understand this. Americans will do it. So will Chinese and Japanese. Europeans won't. So you have the state of affairs you see today.
(DIR) Post #B177W8AdSXGbgQZ45o by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T18:32:21.798131Z
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@petra The welfare state and a mature economy solved insecurity so they don't have the terror of bankruptcy and homelessness nipping at their heels 24/7.
(DIR) Post #B178WJeMsWcjEz7k92 by petra@poa.st
2025-12-10T18:43:35.759662Z
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@judgedread Ah. They're Canadians. 😆 Same thing happens here to a degree.
(DIR) Post #B17B2LdpD6JKajGuO0 by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T19:11:48.082008Z
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@petra If you have progress you have bankruptcies and end millions of lucrative careers. Ask the Ghost of Linotype past.
(DIR) Post #B17BvZTxS4tnRezNNQ by petra@poa.st
2025-12-10T19:21:47.065342Z
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@judgedread It brings to mind what was discussed here before. Colonizing space is going to have an incredible selection effect on humans and culture when it takes off for real. After a century you are going to have two entirely different peoples. The conflicts in the Age of Sail will look quaint in comparison.
(DIR) Post #B17CDUiZu5jLsjNEuW by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T19:24:58.310150Z
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@petra Spacefaring man will regard groundpounders with the same amused contempt with which we regard pajeets.
(DIR) Post #B17CQ6WZAOlybvlgky by Guiles@clubcyberia.co
2025-12-10T19:27:16.132058Z
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@judgedread @petra nigger ass space fairies "wah wahh wahh we need more nitrogen for our organic vertical farms, wahh wahh wahhh someone unscrewed a bolt on the paneling and there's no oxygen".
(DIR) Post #B17CYQlzlXiFjCxIRc by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-10T19:28:48.337008Z
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@Guiles 'Moonbase Alpha Electromagnetic Command, fire a few tons of rock at that impudent dirtman.'
(DIR) Post #B17D5GBCAo22QfOeki by petra@poa.st
2025-12-10T19:34:44.531537Z
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@Guiles @judgedread I did say selection effect.No place for people too stupid or too kind there. They'll die. And take people with them.
(DIR) Post #B17DAY4T53XhMmlunw by Escoffier@poa.st
2025-12-10T19:30:40.613462Z
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@judgedread @petra *sniffs* oh you grew up with gravity? *titters*
(DIR) Post #B17L3Yz85FI7o6SGJc by Guiles@clubcyberia.co
2025-12-10T21:04:02.406990Z
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@petra @judgedread sure
(DIR) Post #B17eKfObOqDJk4Er7g by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-11T00:40:02.695483Z
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@Escoffier @judgedread @petra that’s not what’s going to happen, because that doesn’t comport with anything ever observed in human historyit’s interesting: a lot of folks are all-in on theories of the resurgence of “land powers” (Eurasia) defeating “sea powers” (“thalassocracies”, i.e. UK/US) as being some kind of historical inevitability and great good, but then immediately turn around and posit that we will create a new thalassocracy (in space!!!) which will immediately own everything forever and will shit all over the groundbound rabble because the grounders don’t have anything the Space Eloi want (a theory peculiarly attractive to a certain sort of malcontent)and, uh, that’s not true; look at the portion of humans that are “lifers” in any of the various navies or merchant-marine fleets - it is vanishingly smallwhy is it small?because it is unsatisfying for any but a very small fraction of the world’s population, who overlap a great deal with the “malcontent” personality-type; the vast majority of people want “home”, including basically all frontiersmen, who are almost always driven out of their existing home for some reason and would not otherwise leave itconsider the Pilgrims: they did not want to wander forever, but their current home became hostile and they were willing to risk the unknown in order to build a new one (where they were damn well going to stay and plant their families)what is space going to look like? yeah, there’ll be a fleet sailing the stars, and the highest-ranking people in that fleet will be much like lifer sailors are today: rootless, restless, and “broken” in a way that not many other people are going to understandthe vast majority of them, though, will be those who are either coming from a home, going to another home, or are temporarily surfing a wave of ennui until they grow weary of the void and want to feel grass beneath their feet; it will be a job or a very temporary life-stagethat’s just how humans work
(DIR) Post #B17f6jAoepqlMGhvMW by petra@poa.st
2025-12-11T00:48:44.709821Z
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@VaxxSabbath @Escoffier @judgedread Still, I would like to try.
(DIR) Post #B17ff8PnJgDrUP7VLM by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-11T00:54:56.890575Z
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@petra @Escoffier @judgedread note that your picture is of, wait for it, “a well-appointed home”, albeit in spacethe downstream consequences of “having a home” mean that wet-dreams of “dropping rocks on other people’s homes because it’s easy” have natural limits, because you are more vulnerable than they are since the natural environment surrounding you is far more unfavorable to continued lifethere is a fundamental tension here that mitigates a substantial chunk of the perceived strategic benefit of “being higher up the gravity well”, in other words
(DIR) Post #B17fypy3c47u4FXblY by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-11T00:58:30.823915Z
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@petra @Escoffier @judgedread in fact, to continue, that predicts the following: it is possible that you might wind up with a fleet of Space Mongols that are completely rootless and self-contained, taking over everything by force…. who will then lose their Empire within a generation as their descendants discover the comforts of living in Earthly paradises where a hole in your wall doesn’t mean you’re going to die gasping for air
(DIR) Post #B17g38EvcTfrtbTpzc by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-11T00:59:17.990076Z
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@ins0mniak @jb > …. Cayman Islandslol wut ?
(DIR) Post #B17g6pEUEIOA6Y2Db6 by ins0mniak@bigmilkers.beer
2025-12-11T00:59:57.714748Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @jb yes sir loltheres some weird shit in treasurey holdings lol
(DIR) Post #B17gI9F8Ai1JLpje40 by petra@poa.st
2025-12-11T01:02:00.980097Z
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@VaxxSabbath @Escoffier @judgedread We're at 7 or so billion. A billion or so Whites and double that Asians, say. Someone's going to make the attempt. And then someone after. Then someone after that. It could be hundreds of years or thousands of years. Eventually it will take.
(DIR) Post #B18Fs0a7LhzNJCO1js by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-11T07:40:40.161184Z
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@petra Vaxxsabbath is a creationist crackpot evolution denier whose opinions on any scientific matter should be discounted to zero.The same goes for his graphic designs.
(DIR) Post #B18HnkYNCPnwLefSjI by StarProphet@noauthority.social
2025-12-11T08:02:18Z
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@VaxxSabbath @Escoffier @petra Much easier for the peoples of Moon, Mars, and the asteroid belt to put giant multi-kilometer holes on Earth, than for Earth to put small holes in underground off-Earth habitats. The off-Earth civilization also has the advantage of never having niggers as a significant demographic and having an IQ a deviation or more higher than Earth’s. Because low IQ niggers can’t follow simple instructions.
(DIR) Post #B195lZa01XldRVaG4O by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-11T17:22:09.213806Z
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@judgedread @petra well, Dread, if you were ever actually employed in any scientific capacity, or indeed if you’ve ever read a book with more numbers in it than cartoons, I’ll eat my hatas a science-fiction enthusiast, your opinion on anything scientific is blissfully free of any deeply-rooted understanding that comes from actually knowing things or being able to do the math; there’s nothing wrong with that, but at least understand that “desire-motivated imagination” is not an adequate substitute
(DIR) Post #B197EcI77acYCjdBPk by petra@poa.st
2025-12-11T17:38:37.508473Z
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@VaxxSabbath @judgedread “desire-motivated imagination” took us here.And it's given us Starship to do it again.We'll be back.
(DIR) Post #B197liLFe8OQWgsfC4 by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-11T17:44:35.234669Z
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@petra @judgedread “desire-fueled imagination” provided the initial impetusthe thing that did the heavy lifting to get us there, in both cases, was “a lot of very boring number-crunching and fine poring over a lot of piddly little details that were all extremely important”(that would be the “science” part, as you in particular well know)
(DIR) Post #B199dEhYAFlUBqObHk by patris@poa.st
2025-12-11T17:58:55.075959Z
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@VaxxSabbath @petra @judgedread Nailed it. Non-technical people and technical people always have a hard time appreciating what the other group actually contributes. But it takes both. No moonshot without the reality denying dreamers. Also no moonshot without the slide rule guy, the analytical chemist, and the welder. And none of those guys (none) want to live on a ship. Those guys are the very definition of every part of normal human life the space believers want to leave behind in the mud. Going to church. Going to bars. Building model railroads. Fixing up old cars. Taking kitsch vacations. Wooing women. Raising children. Remodeling the kitchen. The fantastic can only exist on a vital substrate of the mundane. Period. Space dreamy utopia vision guys are necessary, but not sufficient. For anything.
(DIR) Post #B199nnzxmmgQYd33QG by petra@poa.st
2025-12-11T18:07:22.929776Z
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@patris @VaxxSabbath @judgedread Same as it being very rare to have the aptitude and psychology to be an astronaut, there is a small group of people who *are* suited to being colonists in space. As I said, it will act as a huge selection effect. Lots of failures. Lots of lost expeditions. One might make it. And that's all it takes. We have centuries and longer to do it.
(DIR) Post #B19B3trtpTGTLmVz5k by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-11T18:21:30.296796Z
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@petra I hope that idiot dies in a fire.
(DIR) Post #B19BIDUXfQDOGUPryC by petra@poa.st
2025-12-11T18:24:05.654790Z
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@judgedread Lots of people have a need to spread their bleakness around.I'm too old to bother with it.
(DIR) Post #B19BPZcnm5lkw9mu9Y by judgedread@poa.st
2025-12-11T18:25:25.351492Z
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@petra Stop replying to him.He's spewing his excrement under my poasts to contaminate my feed with the septic spill.Truly a lowly coprophage.
(DIR) Post #B19BVvDwNnzTf9Bc6S by patris@poa.st
2025-12-11T18:20:18.303562Z
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@petra @VaxxSabbath @judgedread I'm not being combative, I swear, but there's another aspect to the point about how the space colony concept is internally inconsistent for to Reliance on the mud people. I'm not saying there's no way it will happen, but here's why I think the data we have indicates that it is highly unlikely:1. A break off space colony will require much higher technology than we currently have. 2. Almost (or possibly entirely) without exception, our experience shows that as technology levels up, the group of people required to produce/support/operate it becomes larger and more varied. 3. The vast majority of humans don't want to live on a ship4. Therefore, the closer our tech level approaches that needed to make the breakaway space colony possible, the more the chances of at least one indispensable person refusing to participate approach 100%. And that's simply because the number of people involved gets so huge.
(DIR) Post #B19BVw8eyvMQV3iuVk by petra@poa.st
2025-12-11T18:26:33.880023Z
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@patris @VaxxSabbath @judgedread Anything can happen. My gut tells me we're going. That's based on some technical background and intuition and personal predilection. I could be entirely wrong. You make valid points. Time will tell. Most of us won't be here to know.
(DIR) Post #B19Bf1r75yRapxqrSq by StarProphet@noauthority.social
2025-12-11T18:28:12Z
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@patris @VaxxSabbath @petra “Going to church. Going to bars. Building model railroads. Fixing up old cars. Taking kitsch vacations. Wooing women. Raising children. Remodeling the kitchen.”The average Gen Z man isn’t doing any of those things, lol.
(DIR) Post #B19JJlwpqOBl3Iu2qW by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-11T19:54:00.117621Z
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@petra @judgedread @patris oh, we’re absolutely going to space, no doubt about that (unless disaster supervenes)it’s the nature of the social dynamics involved that are interesting, and in fact, is the actual core of science fiction; whizbang technobabblium is a backdrop against which we ask the question “What if?” and explore the social consequencesthe thing that “space travel” maps most closely to is sea travel (this is why all sci-fi describes it in nautical terms and with naval military customs), and that lifestyle (“eternal sailing”) is only appealing to a certain ‘type’ of person in limited quantity in the populationthere are definitely more “pioneer”/“colonist” types, but the point I’m making is that “pioneers” are not rootless, they are simply looking for a different place to root and build because the one they’re in is unsatisfactory; when you start building things, by definition, you start having things to lose in a conflict, and this in turn means that it isn’t going to be as simple as “just drop rocks on people because they insulted you or refused to give you nitrogen”
(DIR) Post #B19qSiDiN06eaIfWXg by VaxxSabbath@detroitriotcity.com
2025-12-12T02:05:22.711705Z
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@judgedread @petra nitro-burning narcissism there! spoiler: it’s not all about you, budI see topics that interest me and I reply to them, simple as; whatever your other (manifold) issues are, Dread, I will say this, you do post things that provoke interesting conversations on a regular basis