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 (DIR) Post #B0L4MaqWQvh4xG6TJ2 by daandemeyer@mastodon.social
       2025-11-17T12:46:00Z
       
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       Let me be cheeky and preempt @pid_eins's systemd 259 mastodon posts:In systemd 259, I'm making it possible to run commands that need privileges as your current user instead of as root. With "run0 --empower", you'll get a session as your current user in which you can do anything that root would be able to do, without actually being root.This is extremely useful when you need to run something with privileges but still want all created files and directories to be owned by your current user.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L4McW2E4Ui8IX8eO by daandemeyer@mastodon.social
       2025-11-17T12:47:53Z
       
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       I got inspired to implement this when I was playing around with bpftrace and systing and got annoyed that the files written by these tools were owned by root instead of my own user. Now I can run "run0 --empower bpftrace" and be sure that any written files are owned by own user instead of root.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L4MdRolEiP1VZHiS by funkylab@mastodon.social
       2025-11-17T13:50:40Z
       
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       @daandemeyer how does that work?
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L4MeK3Va6HjiwbFw by daandemeyer@mastodon.social
       2025-11-17T13:55:38Z
       
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       @funkylab Instead of changing to root, we keep the current uid/gid and instead give it full ambient capabilities (https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/capabilities.7.html). That's sufficient to pass all kernel privilege checks (disregarding LSMs). To pass polkit checks, we run the "run0 --empower" session with the new "empower" group as an auxiliary group and we ship a polkit rule to allow all actions for users in the "empower" group.Note that this won't work if a tool checks for uid 0 instead of capabilities.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L6BcT6GGzOi12iki by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
       2025-11-17T14:31:16Z
       
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       @daandemeyerwaaaaiitbut what's the real_uid of that privileged process?Can unprivileged processes of the same user send signals to it?
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L6VSAAHoggXTdy0O by daandemeyer@mastodon.social
       2025-11-17T14:34:51Z
       
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       @wolf480pl Processes of the same user should be able to send signals to it yes. I actually consider that a feature. Currently, managing a subprocess invoked with run0 or sudo is a pain because you can't stop it except by messing with input pipes or TTYs passed through to the subprocess.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L7QYv1qBa1zwnNWi by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
       2025-11-17T14:45:11Z
       
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       @daandemeyerYeah I felt the pain of a sudo-ed process not wanting to die too.But then I wonder - were those protections there for a reason?I've never used run0 and from a quick look at the manpage it's unclear to me whether it's all-or-nothing, or if it can be limited to only specific commands like sudo.But if the latter, then I'd be worried that the user will be able to mess with that process using SIGSTOP, those two SIGRTs that glibc uses for its internal purposes, etc
       
 (DIR) Post #B0L8qr4t341LnhVXsG by daandemeyer@mastodon.social
       2025-11-17T15:01:07Z
       
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       @wolf480pl Effectively it's up to the user to decide if they're OK with their application running under "run0 --empower". If you're in an environment where you don't want the user to be able to mess with the empowered session via signals, then you should not use the --empower switch.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sm6RDarL1VmIa4FE by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:23:56.097784Z
       
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       total  soystend  win  holy  shit
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SmJKwZV0km5AllmS by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T07:26:14.102910Z
       
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       @fiore gettin' closer to that hostowner dream
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SmmCrUcuHHPm9zNY by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:31:18.312813Z
       
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       @fiore makes my terminal look uglu and messes with ps1 :angry_cirno:
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sn3nJANC4ZNFUTqK by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:34:40.568923Z
       
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       @allison this  feature is  so  good ,  not  having  to  symlink  my  fuarrrking  init lua  into  root s  .config  anymore
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnDnGnN0ZM9R9LE0 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:36:27.561548Z
       
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       @meeper the  red  background is  actually my  favorite thing  abt  run0  lol
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnKBdrfUJpTezMA4 by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:37:36.813076Z
       
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       @fiore Also I think if printed weird ubicode or emojis can't remmeber but leaves bad rustware feelings on my tongue
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnKj9D5y05OQuM6K by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T07:36:16.116532Z
       
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       @fiore @allison can’t you just sudo -E
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnKk8tOdLATjlcFE by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T07:37:12.917705Z
       
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       @fiore @allison i meanprobably not you’ll be fucked if your editor writes things to configdir because it’ll be owned by root haha
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnLwTL2XfH0ZtzO4 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:37:56.796089Z
       
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       @kimapr @allison yea  idk  seems  risky
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnOnUWt2mu1WowJk by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T07:38:07.292954Z
       
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       @fiore @meeper EVIL terminal
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnQzdQhyiSGW1y4W by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:38:50.952206Z
       
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       @meeper there is  no rust in   systemd  tho ?it may  set  the window  title  to start with a  red  dot  emoji
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnRD7gYnds67HoXI by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T07:38:53.370121Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore meeper the ASCII fundamentalist
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnTqfKVqPFJfHU6i by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:39:04.492405Z
       
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       @kimapr @fiore the red is the blood of the child sacrificws poettering made to summon systemd and pulseaudio on the loonicks desktop
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnVRtFb9Mj3VYV3A by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:39:40.543375Z
       
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       @kimapr @meeper i am  Stupid so  its  good  when i  see a  BIG  RED  BOX   because  “oh yea  thatd  the one  that  can mess shit  up if  im not careful”
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnWgmrhH0fY09zHs by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:39:51.393592Z
       
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       @fiore I mean like bow a lot of rust ware has emojies in their readme or even the helptextI mean that
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnalVa5MVpLf1FyK by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:40:36.164307Z
       
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       @fiore @kimapr Should print a sixel of megman zero pre boss warning message
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnbJzXsSgQIRIfOi by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:40:43.865191Z
       
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       @meeper tbf  thats a  webdev  symptoms ,  rust  devs who do  that  are  js  webdevs  that  turned to  rust .  very  loud  minority  if u  ask me
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Snbli8olOmGZNA9o by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T07:40:47.988156Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore it's such a weird stylistic convention, it always makes me feel like it's written by LLMs whether or not it actually is
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SneC3Fr5PmXUP8tM by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:41:12.622226Z
       
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       @fiore See shit like typst it makes me seethe
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SneEZwSWkYNRiH7Q by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:41:14.739007Z
       
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       @meeper @kimapr run0 -u paints  it  piss  yellow  instead
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SngNXO7ajWk2Xc6S by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:41:37.170276Z
       
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       @fiore @kimapr Fedigirl bait
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sngo4xRP2D3gRn2O by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:41:43.208800Z
       
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       @meeper yes  agreed
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Snn1l7UYWLDw8Ohs by eris@p.enes.lv
       2025-11-21T07:42:47Z
       
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       Doesn't look like it has an easy way to configure that without hanging on extra CLI switches https://www.man7.org/linux//man-pages/man1/run0.1.htmlCC: @fiore@brain.worm.pink
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Snp31lkL6xjlsxVo by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:43:11.498939Z
       
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       @eris @fiore :))))))))
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnwaAQvqWcXsWyLw by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:44:18.445931Z
       
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       @fiore why would u need this :menheraWhat:
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SnzBFI2x4c7Z2cm8 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:45:02.176568Z
       
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       @tisanae perms preservation ,  and  my favorite is  not  having  to  symlink  my  init.lua  inside  /root
       
 (DIR) Post #B0So3TWW22u9y198YS by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T07:45:15.081444Z
       
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       @fiore @meeper  i just paint the # red
       
 (DIR) Post #B0So3UvMp8NUJNmUvg by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:45:48.022026Z
       
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       @kimapr @meeper man  thats not  the same  as  havinf a  huge  red  rectangle now  is it
       
 (DIR) Post #B0So3u6vBJTUQSNZuS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-11-21T07:45:47.216038Z
       
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       @allison @fiore @meeper Reminds me of the weird corporate/poser usage of emojis, like that peculiar usage of rocket emoji, sparkles, …
       
 (DIR) Post #B0So5zKsj2I7D6u34y by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:46:16.142574Z
       
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       @lanodan @allison @meeper guys  ive never  seen  soystemd  do  that  why r  wr  talking  abt  this  :sob:
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SoH3I6MPg0f8sVzE by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T07:48:10.551554Z
       
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       @kimapr @fiore Putting sixel hentai in my PS1
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SoLwvFSy1mMIWYZU by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:46:51.395321Z
       
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       @fiore what do you mean perms preservation ?? What does the symlink do (that sounds kinda dangerous :0 ) ?
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SoLxvzhgDbUtsfNA by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:49:09.086239Z
       
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       @tisanae when creating files and  dirs that i want  to own as  fiore but that i  need to be  root in  order yo  create .the symlink is  safe ,  its just  for  having  my nvim  config when i  edit a  file  as root .  but id  rather not  havr  that
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SoNDLVtBNpaLPdL6 by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T07:47:34.634181Z
       
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       @fiore @meeper How does it look like
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SoNEPnuiPStwQZfM by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:49:22.111909Z
       
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       @kimapr @meeper pretty  bad
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sp91myA4VDdp3Pdo by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:53:04.894150Z
       
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       @fiore u could justdefine an alias for ittheyre like sudoedit and doasedit specifically for that use :necoBrows: (doesn't seem rlly safe what if something malicious edit ur config :blobcatfearful: )
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sp92XlM5vtywwmZs by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:58:00.425982Z
       
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       @tisanae uhh  didnt  know abt  sudo -e  award ig .   should  remove  the  symlink ..  i still think its safe  i dont  see  how anything malicious can edit  my nvim config that is  in my  own config dir  , my user  doesnt even  linger on  my  servers  (i am  talking  abt servers  here  i never  do this  on desktops )
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpDjJeGqY9nRa7Tk by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:56:58.369592Z
       
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       @fiore like mf() {sudo sh -c "mkdir -p $1 && chown fiore:fiore $1"}:mikuShrug:
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpDkWnlQfJYWk8cS by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:58:51.885480Z
       
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       @tisanae yea  fair i  supposr  but  cmon that is  a  cool feature
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpFEFyidsC2za0Aa by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T07:53:09.869247Z
       
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       @fiore @meeper Do  you have screenshot  i cant find one inline
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpFF1Ts1s2QJnwDA by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T07:59:07.859254Z
       
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       @kimapr @meeper gimme a   sec
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpZ9G114iaKk5yBk by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:02:44.155986Z
       
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       @kimapr @meeper here
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpZQWwnNMZuB9ERM by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:01:09.663762Z
       
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       @fiore idk, that just seems weirdly specific to me
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpdJYMg6h9QMfGbo by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-11-21T08:03:08.839171Z
       
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       @tisanae @fiore  (doesn’t seem rlly safe what if something malicious edit ur config :blobcatfearful: )If u have malware on your computer u have bigger problems tbh, and sudo won’t save you anyway because Keylogger moment (this and the fact that typing password is annoying is why i have passwordless sudo enabled it’s very handy cuz i can run root commands in scripts that run as my user with no prompts required)
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpiTKbkbpTCMgnaq by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:04:25.730374Z
       
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       @kimapr @meeper never  noticed  the  superhero  emoji when  entering  a  root  shell  , because  i never  actually enter a root  shell  lolalso a   cool thin g  is that it  uses polkit  for auth
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpkQxRXxn2Pqn1QO by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:04:33.833980Z
       
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       @fiore idk plugins doing stuff or smthing i don't like having holes from user to root ;-;
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SplZD8LbvwImfXbE by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:04:59.635311Z
       
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       @tisanae imean  fair ,  maybe copying  it would be  better
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SpoN8tfpvrk21c9Y by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:05:28.376037Z
       
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       @fiore @kimapr yeah that crap I meant, a bit eh about polkit tbh but its what it is ig
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Spu5viaBKE5xabOi by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:06:31.367483Z
       
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       @tisanae btw  dont get me  wrong  ,  i think  sudo is  awesomeware  and  super  cool !! its  just .  nowadays  its  kinda  unnecessary on  fedora
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SqDRgduoHl4hlVVA by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:09:08.011833Z
       
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       @fiore how ? (Im using doas but it doesn't have the fancy :sudo: )
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SqDSfcG73g7oICXY by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:10:01.219463Z
       
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       @tisanae idk  its  just ..  a  cool project  ?  one  of those  underappreciated free  software  projects ,  thats  all .  also  the  mascot  is  awesome  :sudo:
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SqciPSsQd2BCmPmS by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:11:06.171127Z
       
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       @fiore how is that underappreciated ? Its used everywhere :boarExplode: I meant how do younnot need it ?
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sqcjha4YiKBgGOem by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:14:34.459139Z
       
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       @tisanae i  just mean that  ppl  just  assume  its  A Thing ,  they give  it for  granted ,  but  there  are actual  ppl  mantaining  it and  keeping  it  updated  and  secure !!  and  nobody  talks  abt that  !!  donate to  sudo  now !!!!!!!!
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SqnkhAifDISCKDLM by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:15:22.893685Z
       
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       @fiore i donnt have money ;-;
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sqnlr8P6mE3NzgVk by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:16:34.978902Z
       
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       @tisanae me  neither  :/  i hope  someone  else  sees  it tho
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SqoCAAaxS5dx6Fn6 by tisanae@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:16:10.877585Z
       
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       @fiore it does *a lot* of things too
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sqs5xnaRLfZfAn6e by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:17:16.624678Z
       
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       @allison @fiore Nah I fucking hate ascii just thay I think unicode is fuckign worseThough ino where you need text you should only use textAlso Imo Capital letters being separately encoded  was also a major mistake
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sqx4s94TQddbu8h6 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:18:16.490879Z
       
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       @meeper @allison total  utf8  win  ,  one  of the  best  standard  to  ever  exist
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sr5pwVwqZ3wP7nOK by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T08:19:50.825643Z
       
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       @fiore @meeper a placemat in a new jersey diner 😇
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrAj46whg83i0dnc by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:20:38.693510Z
       
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       @fiore @allison eh idk, a single indian letter being 3bytes or something just feels wrongAt that point do the CJK and make the whole barakhadi a separate point
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrH6K3OC8JvXVRzM by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:21:54.165757Z
       
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       @meeper @allison idk  man having  one  encoding for  all types of  characters  seems  like a  win  to me
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrPA9j1Kxk8IWGJ6 by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T08:23:20.356356Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore nah I'm gonna be real with you, ASCII is (unironically) the best thing to have ever happened in the entire history of the computing industry.  establishing a vendor neutral standard of common interchange for latin text and having it hold for over half a century is an achievement almost unparalleled in the world, and as much as many of the extensions are less than optimal, having that core or that kernel is imperative to the preservation and dissemination of human knowledge going forward.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrTEiW0KWdRAjbWK by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:23:59.368425Z
       
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       @fiore @allison idk really it just feels like a anglo-eurocentric mess and considering the stuff that became emojis is kinda eh
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrToh0FQhr0uIuA4 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:24:11.729769Z
       
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       @allison @meeper > human knowledge> can only be used for  a  small handful  of  western  languages
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrY9xz5t7o9TJlTc by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:24:57.275499Z
       
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       @meeper @allison how  is it  anglo  eurocentric  /genq  ?  it can  perfectly  encode  other  charsets,  cant  it  ?
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Srbge23OI6N0fQHY by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:25:36.872592Z
       
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       @meeper @allison and  even if  it  is ,  its definitely  not  as  bad as  ascii in  that regard  ?  i  agree htat  ascii  is cool  but  cmon
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrgSmn0XAqpt2b1k by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:26:23.939199Z
       
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       @allison @fiore Kinda wonder if India became independent earlier enough or the computer race was less anglocentric since Indian scripts since sanskrit are almost basically all the same, and devanagari has been extended to cover most other letters, so we kinda had a unified encoding for free.Also the reason thwre are 1-1 mappings for ascii to more or less any indian script
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrlA12DqTa4Kwa8G by fiore@brain.worm.pink
       2025-11-21T08:27:20.577815Z
       
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       @meeper @allison interesting !!
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Sro1tOse8LkCjzwe by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:27:45.678022Z
       
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       @allison @fiore Also like due to severe phonolinguistic autism and indo aryan languages being very phonetically rich Devanagari (especially extended a little bit) is kind a pseudo (but for more useable) ipa like
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SrsadDfCLOdyLZVw by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:28:37.540350Z
       
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       @fiore @allison I've wanted to make a devanagari tutorial for a while now but too lazy to go about it.Brahmic scripts are honestly extremely nice and elegant
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SsIr0ZOkLqxpnCvw by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T08:33:24.282591Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore my main thing with devanagari on computers is the complexity of rendering it, scripts that can neatly be represented in grids are easier for primitive computers or teleprinters to handle and thus gave their countries one (small) edge in the computer race (outside of the obvious latin script, cyrillic, thai and hebrew were also early on computers for this reason, as were cjk ideograms once the issue of rom space for high resolution text display was figured out)
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SsU0uou4vUsOQO2q by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:35:19.931596Z
       
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       @allison @fiore yeah ik, I was assuming that it's slightly modified to make rendering easier, (technically possible if you exclude conjunct consonants and normalize type sizes. in which case its equivalent in complexity to latin + accents
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SsYThxnMENKjXWxk by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T08:36:13.729795Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore reminds me of early japanese computers which more often than not were latin + kana only
       
 (DIR) Post #B0St5w05cr44dXyI9w by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T08:42:16.211070Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore also kind of reminds me of the absurdity of representing persian with a script designed for encoding semitic triconsonantal roots despite persian being a syntactically very normal indo european language, just with large amounts of imported vocabulary from semitic languages
       
 (DIR) Post #B0StuCymlx5Xm8KlNI by meeper@udongein.xyz
       2025-11-21T08:51:16.130114Z
       
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       @allison @fiore Yeah  one of the things I dislike the most about islamic- is the absolute fixation on arabic whatever (or later persian as they finally reasserted themselves)Probably one of the major reasons sanskrit declined in india and a cause for a forced cuktutal ridge between hindus and muslims and that likely lead to pakistan (also maybe the whole bullcrap in bangladesh since bengalis mantained better so were perceived as less muslim or whatever) (not really islam ig, and arabs seemed to have improved after the conquest of persia) looking at indonesia.Since india was conquered by maximum persophile turks ig
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SusU1qVozq1nVTTE by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T09:02:15.306060Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore "or later persian" that was pretty early on actually, with the turkic dynasties which took root post abbasid splintering.  the abbasids did lean hard into arabic as a standard language of religion art and high culture, but that was just as much a product of their cultural center of gravity being historic mesopotamia as anything else (most of the groups in the region already spoke semitic languages like aramaic so it was a natural enough shift for them), and in any case, both the abbasids and umayyads before them barely engaged with india beyond the westernmost fringes of it which were already under heavy persian influence before the conquests.
       
 (DIR) Post #B0Swgfov2tn122xN3Y by latein@cawfee.club
       2025-11-21T09:22:31.342201Z
       
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       @allison @fiore @meeper especially how proprietary and evil people tried to make UTF-16 the standard, but UTF-8 still has immortalised ASCII
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SwkHQBhb6UWD6mbg by allison@hidamari.apartments
       2025-11-21T09:23:09.654875Z
       
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       @latein @fiore @meeper UTF-16 🤮
       
 (DIR) Post #B0SxKHTuxKIp881HIe by latein@cawfee.club
       2025-11-21T09:29:36.138033Z
       
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       @allison @fiore @meeper the LLMs had to learn how to do it from somewhereI also have a dmenu script that lets me look up an emoji and add it to my clipboard, I even have some emojis in comments in some code I've written (though I usually use it for math symbols and russian/greek alphabets, emojis were what luke smith shipped it with)
       
 (DIR) Post #B0TGQs9pPGxzkGTnCy by haematophage@fabula.schizophreni.ca
       2025-11-21T13:01:44.284724Z
       
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       @meeper @fiore @allison i think the people who invented computers do get to be a little self centric on their computers tbf.