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(DIR) Post #B0MrDxIB4YlJQmBguW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T10:52:59Z
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Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are no going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it. On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.
(DIR) Post #B0MrQ0b8bimb9tnsfo by Uair@autistics.life
2025-11-18T10:55:08Z
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@futurebird I've got a little stove. Two burners and no oven at all.Didja ever see the amusement in an oven? A box of hot right next to your box of cold that keeps your food fresh.
(DIR) Post #B0MrVD4he7l7Iq72Se by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T10:56:07Z
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So I'm thinking about how much I love my small fridge and start to eye the stove. I do not need four burners. Two is enough. I do not need the oven. Period. I don't use it. I have a very nice, large toaster oven. It's more precise, uses less energy. (and you don't need to bend over)So, why can't I just have a two burner range with half the width and GAIN counter-space and more storage again?I've searched far and wide. I would need to buy a "nautical stove" made for a boat!
(DIR) Post #B0MrWthGfEOzmYxJ0i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T10:56:24Z
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@Uair What is the brand? Do they still make it?
(DIR) Post #B0MrdOLZcXVKZyuAe8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T10:57:36Z
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Better yet? Give me a two burner stove and half-sized dishwasher combo unit. People would love this in any place where kitchens are small like large cities. It feel like nothing was made to fit.
(DIR) Post #B0Mree3sgBhLbhE8tk by jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt
2025-11-18T10:57:44Z
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@futurebird you got to it before I said it to you, smaller stoves are either from galleys (boat kitchens) or camping/motorhome appliances.
(DIR) Post #B0MrlmqOQP8Es9K7sW by Uair@autistics.life
2025-11-18T10:59:04Z
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@futurebird Kenyon brand, and I assume they still make it.I live in a motel converted to studio apartments for the poor who can manage about half of what retail rent would cost. The amenities are obviously minimal.In fairness, this is a nice place. All the important shit works.
(DIR) Post #B0MrrHVFrXq7PL3Ym0 by jerzone@techhub.social
2025-11-18T11:00:00Z
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@futurebird It's either a couple burners or a new device for DJ’ing hot beats.Would you prefer gas, electric (resistance), or inductance? https://www.wayfair.com/appliances/pdp/dalelee-2300w-2-burner-induction-electric-cooktop-with-dual-size-power-burner-dlel2911.html
(DIR) Post #B0MrsApi9Bsn0i3AnI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T11:00:17Z
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@jt_rebelo I'm kind of worried they won't be powerful enough? While I do need only two burners I love the functionality of my gas stove, but not the particulate matter it puts in the air. But electric stoves can now compete with gas, IF you get the right one. Some of the smaller range units... they aren't for people who really cook on a stove all the time and who are serious about it. Industry seems to think that if you are "serious" you want four burners and a big oven.
(DIR) Post #B0MryYEA538vIvWmFE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T11:01:26Z
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@jerzone High end induction for people who like gas but want to get rid of it?
(DIR) Post #B0Ms44m0VFQVgvzdTs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T11:02:25Z
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I feel like Jack (of the beanstalk) and shopping is like going to a mall in the land of the giants.
(DIR) Post #B0MsNYYzy4nFaPCIuu by jerzone@techhub.social
2025-11-18T11:05:56Z
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@futurebird I bought a single burner induction cooktop to see what induction cooking is like. Overall I liked it, but finding a full sized induction stove wasn’t easy or cheap. I didn't think of splitting things out like this.
(DIR) Post #B0MsfZduh5QW975V9k by krnlg@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T11:09:10Z
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@futurebird I lived in a flat with very small kitchen that squeezed in: two burner stove, half dishwasher, small sink, and combination microwave-grill-oven (the size of a normal small microwave) built in under the countertop. It was very well designed and basically perfect. It didn't feel like anything was missing.
(DIR) Post #B0Msq5t1fQvF2nAmES by qob@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T11:11:04Z
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@futurebird this is a perfect kitchen! When living in a wherehouse, small… exactly my kitchen. worked great
(DIR) Post #B0MsrscByuPYSj9Ou8 by Gurre@mastodon.nu
2025-11-18T11:11:23Z
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@futurebird Kitchens cone in a huge variety of sizes. That one can't find several more options than the one standard size for stove tops & ovens is so strange. It's not like many wouldn't pay the same for a good 40cm wide option as for a standard 60cm wide standard option, space is the real limit for many.
(DIR) Post #B0MsvMrDzsmN7tqSK8 by benh@mastodon.scot
2025-11-18T11:12:01Z
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@futurebird we've been using a pair of individual plugin induction hobs for 4 years nowthey have been great. no complaints at all.keep a third one in the cupboard for the rare occasions we need threehttps://www.tefal.co.uk/Others/Everyday-Induction-Hob-IH201840---2100W-Black/p/7211001135
(DIR) Post #B0Mt80pZCfIAZn6CaO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T11:14:20Z
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@benh OK I've used something like that 20 years ago and it was NOT a good experience. It took forever to boil water. It couldn't really brown the hash browns. Couldn't make the MF "sizzle"Have they really gotten better? That would be great news.
(DIR) Post #B0MtCnilN9K1MhCSiO by jollyorc@social.5f9.de
2025-11-18T11:15:09Z
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@futurebird Ikea has VÄLBILDAD, which is a two-burner induction stove, pretty smøl at 29x52cm. And yes, they also have dishwashers at 45cm width...
(DIR) Post #B0MtWNDtbHy6yW5x9E by jollyorc@social.5f9.de
2025-11-18T11:18:43Z
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@futurebird @benh I switched to induction about 2 years ago, and am not looking back. The only issue I have is that all of these have some hellish touch-interface instead of proper sturdy knobs, and the sad bew-BEEP the thing makes when something wet hits the touch surfaces is a constant source of frustration and resigned amusement in this household.(we of course anthropomorphized the stove by now and have determined that it is just afraid of getting wet.)
(DIR) Post #B0MtX8ECpx8wl5bMem by benh@mastodon.scot
2025-11-18T11:18:45Z
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@futurebird around 5 minutes from cold to get a medium saucepan of water boiling.definitely gets a frying pan hot enough to Burn Things surprisingly quickly
(DIR) Post #B0MtgUC8XE77Ud5txI by pdcawley@mendeddrum.org
2025-11-18T11:20:28Z
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@futurebird In a perfect world I'd have an induction wok station with a two zone induction plate next to it. I have yet to find anyone making such a thing, sadly.
(DIR) Post #B0MuAsgm1y3o9DuyH2 by alper@sfba.social
2025-11-18T11:26:02Z
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@futurebird @jt_rebelo if you're ok with induction Ikea has one that you can hang aside when not in use. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tillreda-portable-induction-cooktop-1-zone-black-30546508/
(DIR) Post #B0Mw2iCdKlMzDX3JPE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T11:46:59Z
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@alper @jt_rebelo My soul tells me there is no way that can be used for real cooking. Do I have gas burner derangement syndrome?
(DIR) Post #B0Mwau59fn3RuFrH4y by delcj@mas.to
2025-11-18T11:53:09Z
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@futurebird my stove has only 2 burners, which are popular in my part of the world because the four-burner range seems more like a rich people or business establishment thing and most people don't have ginormous kitchens either. but also we cook with gas—i would rather have induction but can't justify the cost of switching and at least gas can be used when the power's out, which happens more here than i'd like. maybe you could get an Asian brand two-burner stove from aliexpress or similar
(DIR) Post #B0MxAHT4iWEMZUuqKO by GustavinoBevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org
2025-11-18T11:59:32Z
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@futurebird It's a cabal organized by the restaurant owners :blob_dizzy_face:
(DIR) Post #B0MxavhNlLGSsGJaz2 by s1m0n4@ohai.social
2025-11-18T12:04:20Z
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@futurebird In Europe it is easy to find both. They're mainly bought for student apartments but many single people have them too.
(DIR) Post #B0Mxgu7kWwCfjBUsS0 by alper@sfba.social
2025-11-18T12:05:27Z
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@futurebird @jt_rebelo I know. I have it too and proven right during fire season when pg&e shut off the grid for a few days. California is pushing us out of gas burners without a solution. Btw we have solar but we can't use it if the grid is down. We can only sell back to the grid so when they shut down we can't even use the electric we produce. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so I'm not giving up on the burner but electric is definitely better for the air quality in the house so this kind of makes sense.
(DIR) Post #B0My43bpQlupo1bf3w by b0rk@social.jvns.ca
2025-11-18T12:09:33Z
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@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo I used a plug in induction hot plate (1800 watts) as our primary stove every day for a year. it was great and I didn’t miss the gas stove other than sometimes I wanted more than one burner. my favourite thing about it was you could set a timer the way you can with a toaster oven, like “boil this water for 10 minutes and then turn off”
(DIR) Post #B0MycnZV39vECZ5DU0 by veronica@mastodon.online
2025-11-18T12:15:53Z
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@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo I've worked with pretty much every technology there is on the market for cooking tops, and induction is by far my preferred solution. It is almost as fast as gas (very fast if you have boost feature) and a lot easier to clean. I currently have one of the Siemens induction cooking tops, one of those that comes with temperature regulation for frying. It's excellent.
(DIR) Post #B0MynuIIOcYIEjKhpA by albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz
2025-11-18T12:17:53Z
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@futurebird Bigger items for the same percent of profit yield bigger profits.In Europe there are plenty of options for small fridges, small dishwashers, small ovens and small ranges. So it's not a market force that keeps them out, rather, it's a deliberate choice to focus on appliances that yield larger profit margins.
(DIR) Post #B0MyrWyD3XAz3afLFo by ira@beige.party
2025-11-18T12:18:34Z
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@futurebird maybe some asian or european brands could be small enough. can’t imagine all kitchens in hong kong and/or berlin have such enormous stoves. there’s the question then of availability in the u.s. and price, but perhaps this is workable — the differing voltage standards can ofc be problematic, if not made for u.s. market.
(DIR) Post #B0Mzl0RBCOk8NJfXMW by lyda@mastodon.ie
2025-11-18T12:28:34Z
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@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo When I was installing heat recovery ventilation in my house, I set up CO2 monitoring to make sure it was moving air enough. It was - CO2 rose a little, but it was in line with seasonal effects. But before and after install there were these weird spikes. I eventually realised it was when I used my gas hob - at the opposite end of my house; 20m away.I switched to induction. No spikes. It works very similar to a gas hob, but it doesn't trash indoor air quality.
(DIR) Post #B0MzmBB4kiEjyVhCtc by alper@sfba.social
2025-11-18T12:09:28Z
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@futurebird @jt_rebelo Found this NG/LPG one. https://a.co/d/dv2nhxp
(DIR) Post #B0MzmCZZZ7QUImAHia by jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt
2025-11-18T12:17:35Z
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@alper @futurebird around here (Portugal, sunny southwestern Europe) we have the same problem, solar has been installed everywhere, but without inverters and home batteries solar panels can only feed the grid (if the grid is on, something many found out during April's blackout). I have used hot plates with my solar batteries (around 3 kWh total, enough for 3 people for about 24h in an emergency, with 440W of solar panels to charge them, or multiple days with only one person - like I do around the LeMans 24H race every year. The batteries take around 8h to charge from 0 to 100% from the panels, if there is AC power, even for a short period of time, they can charge at 1300 to 1800W at the same time, so a boost is able to shorten recharge times).
(DIR) Post #B0N09gqx9MSUsJUix6 by b0rk@social.jvns.ca
2025-11-18T12:18:46Z
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@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo (it did also have the very annoying buttons that didn’t work if they got wet, like someone else mentioned, it was this one https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01FLR0ET8/)
(DIR) Post #B0N09hxN2zBcIVVMau by lyda@mastodon.ie
2025-11-18T12:32:09Z
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@b0rk @futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo Yes, this. My next induction hob will have physical knobs. I have a Neff one with the magnetic dial thing but even then it's a little too magic.
(DIR) Post #B0N09jMvnRE6g4TI4e by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T12:33:02Z
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@lyda @b0rk @alper @jt_rebelo Does a stove really need a microprocessor? I love them but. Is it really something that is needed for the stove?
(DIR) Post #B0N0DRMsfHqe0WDUvY by Ailbhe@mendeddrum.org
2025-11-18T12:33:41Z
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@futurebird We had a two-burner portable induction hob from IKEA for ages. Excellent object.
(DIR) Post #B0N0ObNrlZoKFy03XM by lyda@mastodon.ie
2025-11-18T12:35:45Z
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@futurebird @b0rk @alper @jt_rebelo Honestly, every appliance I own has a few microprocessors. That started being true in the 90s. Heck, even my kettle has one now - which is really handy for baking. I can easily heat the water to 40C and then use it for proofing.
(DIR) Post #B0N0UVqvFEWWq4PQdk by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-11-18T12:36:47Z
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@futurebird but there are plenty of two-burner stoves sold? Both free standing, and integrated?Update: huh, it's interesting, while German Ikea has three models of two-burner integrable induction stoves (https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/lagan-induktionskochfeld-plug-in-2-zonen-schwarz-70506096/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tragbar-2-zonen-weiss-70593121/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/vaelbildad-induktionskochfeld-ikea-300-schwarz-20467592/) plus three models of single-burner, Ikea in USA has zero two-burner and two single-burner.
(DIR) Post #B0N0a4XLiUrNrGuAWu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T12:37:51Z
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My big take always from the excellent comments on this thread are: * Do not get a stove with touch controls. DO NOT. * Maybe give induction cooking a try? I guess I could try it and see if we could just get rid of the whole stove? We have a "landlord special" stove and it's huge and very ugly. Since I don't need to worry about "resale" or moving why should we keep it?
(DIR) Post #B0N0fElb6sOb2824AK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T12:38:47Z
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@IngaLovinde I have been trying I promise. I feel like I'm swimming upstream.
(DIR) Post #B0N16JIEOBXOtGCozo by Ailbhe@mendeddrum.org
2025-11-18T12:43:38Z
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@futurebird When we upgraded from the IKEA 2-burner induction hob, we got an induction hob with turny knobs. The touch controls on the portable were ok but not forever.
(DIR) Post #B0N19Plcm78Hq1R0T2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T12:44:13Z
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@MxVerda @benh I sometimes use the kettle to boil half of the water when making spaghetti. Only fill the put halfway and fill the kettle. Turn both on. Then add the kettle boiled water to the stove. Can you tell I'm impatient?
(DIR) Post #B0N1B0Vle8Gy5VmEzo by krans@mastodon.me.uk
2025-11-18T12:44:23Z
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@futurebird I very highly recommend induction hobs. But make sure you get one with a high enough power rating and that your household wiring can support it!
(DIR) Post #B0N1Eeru3YGS7bs6sK by darkling@mstdn.social
2025-11-18T12:45:07Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh You are not alone. I do this too.
(DIR) Post #B0N1FE8mulZDW72aYK by sashabilton@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-11-18T12:45:13Z
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@futurebird I was a fan of gas cookers, but we now have a modern induction hob and after a bit of time getting used to it, I like it. I can control the heat well enough but the cleaning is so much easier and there is definitely less grease or smells.
(DIR) Post #B0N1MGjjf4BXaxgFfs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T12:46:34Z
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@darkling @MxVerda @benh They expect us to wait SEVERAL minutes for water to boil. I do not have time for that. NO.
(DIR) Post #B0N1ll61vEpKzeGMme by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T12:51:11Z
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@MxVerda @benh The secret of kettles has gotten out and more Americans are ... learningIf you don't have a kettle the things to know are:* It's not "just for tea"* It is only for water, never put anything but water in it. Do not make instant coffee I beg you. * Think of it like those taps fancy places have with on-demand boiling water. * The ones with a base, cordless are worth it. Easy to fill. * If I come over and you don't have one I will judge you a little.
(DIR) Post #B0N2DWn6hasAjceZMW by Sroot@mastodon.me.uk
2025-11-18T12:56:07Z
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@futurebird UK kitchen designer here:a) USA power is 120v, Europe is 230/240v. So induction (and electric kettles) have more power available and thus work better for us (power = volts x amps, and most induction hobs we sell are 32Amp version)However, most of the time you're only using the full power to get water to boil then it flicks on/off to maintain temperature. We have 4 zone 13A models where the cost of new cables are too high and clients have no complaints.
(DIR) Post #B0N2S5wCp9hJnKr5Pc by LightFIAR@med-mastodon.com
2025-11-18T12:58:48Z
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@futurebird I am SOOOOO happy since I turned off the stove and told Natl Grid to go fuck themselves!! And the CO2 monitor clearly shows how much better the air is when using induction stove or convection oven vs now useless hunk of gas stove metal.
(DIR) Post #B0N2ZJfi9yhIPuaEts by jondresner@spore.social
2025-11-18T13:00:02Z
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@futurebird @IngaLovinde It's been thirty years, but when we lived in Japan, two-burner stoves, mostly gas, were very common in apartments, and ovens were almost unheard of. Chinese apartments are very similar, as I understand it.What I don't know, obviously, is how to get those in this country (if the norm hasn't changed much), I'm afraid.But the standard you're going for - small kitchen, more space for everything else - really isn't weird in the rest of the world, it's quite reasonable.
(DIR) Post #B0N2u7X8U8KiqsUbdA by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
2025-11-18T13:03:51Z
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@futurebird Hunh, I was just clicking around and came across this all-in-one thing. https://a.co/d/ie7z47V
(DIR) Post #B0N4Vg0zLXVUSlvb3A by Longspeak@chirp.enworld.org
2025-11-18T13:21:49Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh Is that not normal? I've done this all my life.
(DIR) Post #B0N58y0APEHJXeHKyH by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T13:28:59Z
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@futurebird what happens to the "landlord special" stove when you replace it?Do you need to convince the landlord to come get it and move it out of your place?(I assume you can't just resell it or throw it away as if you own it?)
(DIR) Post #B0N5NcovRKOkC10h9M by 3janeTA@beige.party
2025-11-18T13:31:34Z
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@futurebird my kitchenaid induction stove has touch controls (not intuitive) and also, since there’s a grid of some kind of circuitry across the entire face of the stove, it FREAKS OUT if you put a pan on the stove to cool that’s not induction capable. Like aluminum cookie sheet. It beeps and resets and won’t work for a few minutes. Also you much water spilled on the stove face? FREAK OUT! Like 1/4 cup; yes that’s messy but sometimes a pot boils over and I don’t expect it to SHUT DOWN the entire stove.
(DIR) Post #B0N6Cjh1eC2kHCgdIu by baibold@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T13:40:34Z
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@futurebird @benh Can confirm that modern induction burners are almost as good as gas, bad UX aside. Need to have quality steel/iron cookware though. Won't work if it's not magnetic.
(DIR) Post #B0N6PpBCYj3z3e2gQy by baibold@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T13:43:09Z
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@futurebird We get by with a large "air fryer/toaster oven" in the summer, where we cook out on the back porch so it's not fighting the AC. A large one can cook a whole chicken, uses less energy than a full-size stove.We end up just using our oven as a storage for metal cookware.
(DIR) Post #B0N8oZk9HuZKKZJoEy by lionelb@expressional.social
2025-11-18T14:10:03Z
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@futurebird IKEA have very cheap single hob induction heaters. They will even hang on the wall when not in use. A great replacement for gas and none of that watery tar and carbon monoxide/nitrogen dioxide.
(DIR) Post #B0N9aFSI1OgdJBhHnc by starlily@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T14:18:41Z
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@futurebird Search for an "apartment stove". They are 20 inches wide and come in all flavors.
(DIR) Post #B0N9pTl37wbK0jjb6G by darkling@mstdn.social
2025-11-18T14:21:27Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh I have a book by Edouard de Pomiane, entitled "10 Minute Cooking". He repeatedly says that the first thing you should do, even before you've taken your hat off, is to put some water on to boil.Even if you don't use it for cooking, you can use it for the washing up.
(DIR) Post #B0NDDwLimApPUxF7mC by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-11-18T14:59:29Z
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@futurebird okay I don't know what are the common appliances brands or places to shop at are in US, but I also tried entering "induction two" into walmart search bar and got plenty of results too, even e.g. this one with knobs (!): https://www.walmart.com/ip/KFFKFF-Induction-Stove-1800W-Electric-Tabletop-Heater-Dual-Knob-Controlled-Burner-Integrated-Induction-Stove-12-Heat-Levels-Glass-Top-Automatic-Power/14836714105?classType=REGULAR&from=/searchI just wonder what am I missing.
(DIR) Post #B0NDh2YWmMyf956pCC by susiemagoo@mstdn.social
2025-11-18T15:04:44Z
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@futurebird while redoing a kitchen last year, I got a nice two burner induction plate and a countertop toaster oven big enough and hot enough to bake bread. We also have a crockpot in constant use. Anyway! Yes, you do not need more than that. I cooked constantly, and the whole set up was on the porch. Induction rules. It’s all we’ve used for ten years. This way, you can have all storage under your cooking counter.
(DIR) Post #B0NDucK76jkVqCqCcy by susiemagoo@mstdn.social
2025-11-18T15:07:12Z
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@futurebird I’m ok with touch controls, if they are designed well. I love that the induction stove top makes for terrific counterspace. We usually have wood boards on it for bread and snacks.
(DIR) Post #B0NKLf7pOjai4gNEtE by madjohnroberts@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T16:19:17Z
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@futurebird I'll +1 for induction, it's better than gas for almost everything IMO. You can get thin cooktops too, so you regain under counter space. For example https://www.subzero-wolf.com/wolf/cooktops-and-rangetops/induction-cooktops/15-inch-transitional-induction-cooktop gets you only two burners and counter storage. Only downside is no knobs, I've used a similar burner and it's fine (not ideal, just fine) if you keep a kitchen towel handy for wiping the controls down during a splattery cook.
(DIR) Post #B0NRqqSxywJju74rTM by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-11-18T17:43:23Z
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@futurebird induction cooking is great.Well at least in 230V world it's great (especially if it has a "booster" feature; that one will get your water boiling faster than any regular electric kettle), not sure how things are in 120V world.For cooking induction is incomparably better than any other kind of electric stove, and has a lot of benefits over gas as well (and, in general, no drawbacks, although specific stoves may vary).
(DIR) Post #B0NfwXyT2umreFQOcC by jaystephens@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T20:21:15Z
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@futurebird We live in a small house in the country and are currently remodelling.We will be choosing _at least_ 2 appliances designed for boats or motor homes.
(DIR) Post #B0NiVSGWSl7DzDdvYe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T20:50:02Z
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@jaystephens Thank you for making me feel a little less freaky. Part of me thinks "it's not that complex, ordinary solutions should be fine" butI don't think that's really true if I'm honest.
(DIR) Post #B0NiZ6bwuoXXz7PEKe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T20:50:41Z
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@leadore I have a toaster oven that does EVERYTHING I'd want an oven to do. I have not used the thing for two years.
(DIR) Post #B0NjXku2Ez8KK2mlXc by astronot@mastodon.online
2025-11-18T21:01:36Z
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@futurebird I saw a high end design house that hid the induction stoves under the countertop. Since it is inducing a magnetic field, they can work through a counter. Not sure the specifics. The counter only warms up from the pot heating it. The field itself doesn't warm the counter. So if you turn it on the counter stays cool until you add a pot.This would give you above counter space when you aren't cooking.I'll see if i can find any specifics in how they set it up.
(DIR) Post #B0Njc0JIticFGZd9wO by JoBlakely@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T21:02:23Z
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@futurebird if I could redo my own kitchen, I’d do a small convection air/fryer toaster oven, a hot plate induction top, and rice/slow cooker/pressurecooker. Keep my microwave. Everything portable. I’d love a small counter dishwasher too.Small fridges suck bc they are low & they fill up fast with condiments in my house! I’d like tallish & not too deep. My ideal fridge would have lazy Susan shelving. I want a bigger fridge & esp. freezer to prepare, store, & buy more at cheaper prices.
(DIR) Post #B0NlGfx5atPbxACJ8a by jaystephens@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T21:20:57Z
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@futurebird It's just silly - the standard appliances take up room I could use for something else, use more power than I need, and (for example oven) heat up slower because to big.I've nothing against big when wanted - we'll go a huge fridge because we're in the subtropics, but I'd rather pay a little extra for something that fits my space and doesn't needlessly guzzle power to cook for just 1-2 people.
(DIR) Post #B0NlYc16xnMOxedDn6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T21:24:13Z
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@jaystephens Big fridge makes sense if going to buy food is a journey, or if you need to buy in bulk. But in NYC? Why would I store frozen meals in my house when I can store them downstairs at the grocery store and go get one if I'm hungry?And never need to thrown them out if I forgot about them.
(DIR) Post #B0NnD32S175KIx6T7Q by clarablackink@writing.exchange
2025-11-18T21:42:41Z
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@futurebird I was listening to a couple episodes of The Checkout ( https://www.thecheckoutradio.com/ )and I wonder if it relates to the fact that grocery stores increased profits by increasing their stock of processed foods (frozen foods being a large part of that).The monopolies in the food industry seem to guide a whole cascade of other social changes as we've conformed to how the industry wants to serve us food.@jaystephens
(DIR) Post #B0NnICRIUbVIuOBJdQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T21:43:40Z
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@clarablackink @jaystephens I don't see how this relates to fridge size though?
(DIR) Post #B0NoEviYJ5j08HG0Wm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T21:54:16Z
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@MxVerda @benh "who the fuck coffee'd a kettle?!"Someone wise enough not to let me find out who they were. Every place I've worked has had a kettle and EVERY single one made coffee flavored water unacceptable for tea. This is why I hide a kettle under my desk. Hotel kettles? About half of the time they have been touched by coffee. I don't know what people are doing. Heating it up again maybe?
(DIR) Post #B0NoIaNTaekH6e8sgy by jessamyn@glammr.us
2025-11-18T21:54:53Z
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@futurebird I switched from stovetop kettle to electric (plug in base) when I moved here and it's SO GREAT. My only complaint was that a nice normal kettle had a bright blue LED on it. Easy enough to unhook and now it is perfect.
(DIR) Post #B0NoJLIT95fOcjA2ue by dx@social.ridetrans.it
2025-11-18T21:55:03Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh American kettles are so slow though. Almost not worth it, especially since our induction stove top (running on twice as much voltage) boils water just as fast as our kettle. But our kettle has fancy temperature control which is the only reason we keep it around.
(DIR) Post #B0NoKrFtoHSq1ygJxQ by richardjh@phpc.social
2025-11-18T21:55:18Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh I am having a cultural shock moment. Are you saying that Americans don't generally have a kettle? I'm in the UK, literally everyone has a kettle. How can you not have a kettle? I use the kettle like 15 times a day. I am so confused by this.
(DIR) Post #B0NoWEvQ9AZmcuWw3U by nirak@carhenge.club
2025-11-18T21:57:21Z
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@futurebird I have a kettle at home, a kettle in the office (variable temp) and there's another kettle in the hallway at work that has thankfully never been used for coffee
(DIR) Post #B0NohrfORnA3xzZofo by kimlockhartga@beige.party
2025-11-18T21:59:28Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh oh, you will judge me a lot, then. I have two little one cup kettles for the microwave. They have lids that whistle and everything. 😁
(DIR) Post #B0Nomkrx9CFGKgmcoi by keira_reckons@aus.social
2025-11-18T22:00:18Z
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@futurebird @benh oh yeah, the induction hobs are excellent now. Mine is wired in and huge (I'm the cook they design kitchens for), and boils water at the same rate as the electric kettle.I have seen two and three burner wired in induction options here in Australia, and in houses in Europe. Just make sure you pick one that doesn't entirely turn off if you lift the pan to shake it (the IKEA bench top one is bad for that).
(DIR) Post #B0NooevEEIykT1DuIy by melis@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T22:00:41Z
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@futurebird @clarablackink @jaystephens the best part of my fridge was the ice maker (have since moved and no longer have that luxury)Definitely did not need much room in NY... but then again my GrubHub bill was making me cry on the regular!
(DIR) Post #B0NopZJcYnlTMt4B6G by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
2025-11-18T22:00:47Z
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@futurebird even if it's for reheating, I'll adapt a French saying (“Café bouillu, café foutu”) to English: reboiled coffee is spoiled coffee. I don't drink a lot of tea, but it is obvious you do not "flavor" the content of a kettle. With coffee or anything else. @MxVerda @benh
(DIR) Post #B0NorH2bTX8TGnv5I8 by Flisty@mstdn.social
2025-11-18T22:01:09Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh TBF as a student (UK) in first year I was only allowed a toaster and kettle in my room. Amazing what you can steam balanced on an open kettle lid. Boiling an egg/pasta is risky but perfectly possible. Especially as kettles were about £5 in student town supermarkets so, you know, worth the risk in extreme circumstances ... Here are some more examples! https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2171521
(DIR) Post #B0NowzyzoIBW6PxiSG by ellestad@sfba.social
2025-11-18T22:02:12Z
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@futurebird Re: Kettle for Tea. I keep trying to decide why I feel like there is some small difference in water boiled stovetop and water boiled in electric kettle for certain types of tea. Cos the stovetop is slower, are a greater portion of the water molecules vibrating closer to boiling? Am I imagining it? @MxVerda @benh
(DIR) Post #B0Np5jcO1U97xFYJSi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T22:03:49Z
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@ellestad @MxVerda @benh Real tea heads insist on water boiled by a cold fast running brook on a clay chaozho...
(DIR) Post #B0NpIALMU5duJiW6T2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T22:06:04Z
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@ellestad @MxVerda @benh Of course you can't take the water right from the cold fast running brook. You must bring it down from the mountain in a clay jar, let it rest for three days in the shade under a cloth, then bring the jar back up the mountain so you can sit by the brook (in sympathy with the source) and cook it over your clay stove. Otherwise? Are you even drinking tea?
(DIR) Post #B0NpMOmMksv4FLAMvw by ellestad@sfba.social
2025-11-18T22:06:48Z
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@futurebird I'd love a charcoal burning cast iron oven but it seems a little silly. Well, you never know when the power will go out, and you still need tea. @MxVerda @benh
(DIR) Post #B0NpbZGg2XhH7YZqgS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T22:09:30Z
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@flipper @ellestad @MxVerda @benh Yes. Contemplate how the water is heavy when you carry it in the pot, but it makes you feel lighter after the tea is gone. A mystery.
(DIR) Post #B0NpcCY3zpmGwm0mhM by Sylvhem@eldritch.cafe
2025-11-18T22:09:31Z
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@futurebird Induction as made *massive* progress the past few years. It heats things almost as fast as an open flame but is much, much more energy efficient.It’s day and night compared to the electric stoves I used previously.@benh
(DIR) Post #B0NpnXzgbQaEe1LGr2 by dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-11-18T22:11:41Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh i have an electric kettle (110V North American standard) and an induction stove, and the stove is *way* faster than the kettle. If I wanted to get a meaningful volume of water boiling ASAP, I'd probably go with 1/4 of it in the kettle and 3/4 in a pot on the stove.
(DIR) Post #B0NpoIsYHlns3VMjlA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T22:11:52Z
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@flipper @ellestad @MxVerda @benh Good point.
(DIR) Post #B0NsDtybh6goGAX2OG by TimWardCam@c.im
2025-11-18T22:38:52Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh Only for water?I remember as a student boiling an egg in my kettle because I couldn't be arsed to walk to the kitchen, or maybe because someone else was using the cooker.DO NOT try this at home, children.
(DIR) Post #B0Nsamp6SLESjbzz5E by jaystephens@mastodon.social
2025-11-18T22:43:00Z
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@futurebird @clarablackink It kinda does - if you have a stack of frozen pizzas and a stack of ready meals rather than the ingredients for same, 60% of your freezer space is packaging and air.When the kids run us ragged we fall back on a lot of ready meals and can run out of room.
(DIR) Post #B0Nsy5j2LPyQ1FH2kC by octothorpe@mastodon.online
2025-11-18T22:47:11Z
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@futurebird Bosch makes a lovely 2 burner induction hob. I think miele makes one as well. But yeah, you want a hob (donnow what they call themin American, but just the stove top portion, not with an integrated oven).
(DIR) Post #B0NtjUFYyphRgv5VL6 by thecrushedviolet@mstdn.games
2025-11-18T22:55:46Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh I am glad Americans are finally getting over their disgust of kettles but I can't say I'm surprised to learn they still don't know how to use them. I make both coffee and tea every day but neither have ever been IN the kettle, wtf
(DIR) Post #B0Ntvo6myMdWkwrHjU by slowe@mastodon.me.uk
2025-11-18T22:57:56Z
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@futurebird I do this too
(DIR) Post #B0NuCPP84jil3oLxgG by octothorpe@mastodon.online
2025-11-18T23:01:00Z
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@futurebird @jaystephens American fridges are large enough to house a family of four. Personally, like you, I go to the market for whatever I am going to have that evening, so a modern fridge is insanely oversized. We solved this by having an original 1971 sized hole for our fridge, which requires us to buy the absolute smallest non-mini fridge available. And it’s still mostly empty, minus leftover takeaway containers and drinks.
(DIR) Post #B0NuUHzcMzGLHpwkNs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T23:04:17Z
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@IngaLovinde I don't know where to install this. That's the problem. I guess it could just sit on a table and I could find a table to go where the stove is?I don't want to tear out my counters and cabinets. The ones we have are great. They are 80 years old and very charming.
(DIR) Post #B0NuX2mlMnaKzUFOaW by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-11-18T23:04:46.953664Z
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Looks like it would be ideal for a guest house.
(DIR) Post #B0NuktxQz9WXfKqXyq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T23:07:16Z
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@SarraceniaWilds @JessTheUnstill "putting the hot and the cold and the wet so close together"But this is the essence of "the kitchen"and maybe also the bathroom...
(DIR) Post #B0Nuw76KSUazcBLxpo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T23:09:17Z
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@fivetonsflax I have learned so much about induction stoves today im gonna cry...
(DIR) Post #B0Nv9F6U16NqCNga5Q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T23:11:41Z
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@SarraceniaWilds @JessTheUnstill I don't think I've done a good enough job conveying the smallness of the kitchen this would be for. I'd totally get this... but it means replacing my sink and I like my sink. It's 80 years old and perfect.
(DIR) Post #B0NvCIxA9zp50UmowC by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-11-18T23:12:12Z
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@futurebird so you want a standalone stove, not an integrable one? There are plenty of these too...
(DIR) Post #B0NvUbzC8SqTFTSyBM by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
2025-11-18T23:15:31Z
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It wouldn't have to replace it. I know people with 2 sinks - it can be convenient to have a cooking sink and a cleaning sink. @futurebird @SarraceniaWilds
(DIR) Post #B0NvbVEBf1YOJclTKi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T23:16:48Z
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@JessTheUnstill @SarraceniaWilds OMG you have a point!And a cutting board cover can go on one... hmmm
(DIR) Post #B0NvijE01Db5km7eEq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-18T23:18:06Z
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@JessTheUnstill @SarraceniaWilds Oh. I just realized it's a fridge not a dishwasher. And I think you are right about those burners being... a little wimpy. Hmmm I will figure this out someday...
(DIR) Post #B0NvoW83cb9isJ6TJo by PalmAndNeedle@norden.social
2025-11-18T23:19:06Z
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@futurebird Friend of mine had exactly this in their student apartment. Idk, is this a US/Europe thing? Stove that fits into a counter under a through running work top with a separate drop-in cook top is almost the standard over here. And you can definitely get the same drop-in cook tops without an oven to go under it. Same goes for under counter dishwashers.
(DIR) Post #B0NvuVJvXa5m6YVgpM by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
2025-11-18T23:20:12Z
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Yeah, I'd bet there's other good products out there. Seems weird to have such a market gap where there's Nothing smaller than 24" wide@futurebird @SarraceniaWilds
(DIR) Post #B0NwavTQh4ORNdBPm4 by clarablackink@writing.exchange
2025-11-18T23:27:52Z
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@futurebird Because the fridge size increase has happened alongside the growing space in grocery for frozen meals. Older fridges are smaller and their freezers are tiny. I've lived in a couple apartments that had those. And those fridges had a lot more room for the standard ingredients you'd use to cook with that need to be kept cold.Grocery stores make more profit from frozen foods because they lack the various problems of fresher foods. The Checkout discusses this.@jaystephens
(DIR) Post #B0NxbfW5bhtI8MLSzI by cavyherd@wandering.shop
2025-11-18T23:39:12Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh Judge me all you like, I don't see the point of kettles? A saucepan works just fine?
(DIR) Post #B0NxgRIrsZC1V4R5TU by MrBirch@beige.party
2025-11-18T23:40:02Z
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@futurebird @MxVerda @benh Once I got into green tea, a variable temp kettle became a necessity. Never going back. The Breville or the Cuisinart are both good and reliable.
(DIR) Post #B0O0sUcxe6ET9BH12u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-19T00:15:47Z
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@david @ianmnoone OK... but and I feel like I'm missing something big here. What do I build it into? When I remove the stove there will be a gap. So I'd need to put a table there. Extending the counters isn't an option, they are 80 years old and impossible to match. So, I need to put the stove in or on... something. I was hoping to find a free standing unit or something.
(DIR) Post #B0O2u9o0ERLB3ZMLQ0 by sbourne@mastodon.social
2025-11-19T00:38:34Z
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@futurebird I got an "apartment sized" dishwasher and I love it. It holds almost as much as a full size one and uses so much less space. Took the door off an under counter cabinet and it slid right in. They should be offering this for more appliances!
(DIR) Post #B0O5szq26WIPiURmd6 by nikatjef@mastodon.acm.org
2025-11-19T01:11:56Z
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@futurebirdLOL!! When I joined the Navy going through the schooling the barracks I was assigned to would not let us have stoves or microwaves... They would let us have electric kettles and electric percolators. I went to the PX and bought the cheapest electric kettle I could find. I cooked everything from Ramen, to Rice, to Spaghetti for dinner and then would use it for Tea and Oatmeal the next morning.Not proud of it, but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.@MxVerda @benh
(DIR) Post #B0O62uIHZZilPuO0uG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-19T01:13:45Z
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@nikatjef @MxVerda @benh I...I ... don't know what to say.
(DIR) Post #B0OdjlKg40cOYyY7Um by wil@beige.party
2025-11-19T07:31:15Z
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@futurebird It was ridiculously hard to find a washing machine that would fit our space (to say nothing of not using wifi and an app. 🤦 ) We will be hosed when the dryer finally gives up the ghost.
(DIR) Post #B0PDMB28SARVfmvg8G by farah@beige.party
2025-11-19T14:10:23Z
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@futurebird Seriously the ovens are ridiculous
(DIR) Post #B0QfvDH1NRKpIpWpQu by rlcw@ecoevo.social
2025-11-20T07:05:06Z
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@futurebirdCan't you get sth like this in the US? https://www.aeg.de/kitchen/cooking/hobs/induction-hob/ikb32300cb2/They are cooking ranges that you pop into your countertop. I can highly recommend getting an induction one, since they cook heat so fast, it's lovely. As you can see they exist as 2 burner models. They need a countertop that's min 3.8cm thick.Small dishwashers (45cm) you can also get. I would not get a combo. Cooking ranges last forever, dishwashers do not.
(DIR) Post #B0QfvMmu0HBUoJVusK by rlcw@ecoevo.social
2025-11-20T07:05:06Z
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Because of the ventilation the cooking range needs you can usually not build them under one another. But you can just keep pots and stuff under the range. Don't your IKEAs sell kitchens? Best place to get the cabinets. They might even sell you the cooking range if there's nowhere else that has them.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #B0QgLrvYqjLuuxCWye by rlcw@ecoevo.social
2025-11-20T07:09:58Z
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@futurebirdI will disagree on the touch controls. I was also very anti, but by now I think they are fine and a lot easier to keep clean than the knobs - let's be real - stoves are mucky places.
(DIR) Post #B0Qrh31fsZoiusMVmq by MennoWolff@ohai.social
2025-11-20T09:17:02Z
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@futurebird @jaystephens Do not believe the lies by Big Fridge.
(DIR) Post #B0RzRcb6qp9lOi3GK0 by jaystephens@mastodon.social
2025-11-20T22:18:37Z
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@futurebird Exactly. I'm an 90 minute round trip to supermarket.
(DIR) Post #B0VRjGSzFij8A9KjGy by GinevraCat@toot.community
2025-11-22T14:19:41Z
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@futurebird Partly it's cultural. In South Africa big ovens are normal, so I find most european ovens too small. I grew up with parents who regularly entertained for dinner so I like to be able to get two oven trays in an oven at one, or a large turkey!I now live in a country with different space expectations, and our kitchen doesn't even have a separate microwave and oven. I am finding that a double drawer airfryer and a smaller oven works well.
(DIR) Post #B0VU6FwrXqPT7mOlXc by dartigen@aus.social
2025-11-22T14:46:12Z
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@futurebird I've seen one of those cheap electric stoves that came with a cover over the hob area - I couldn't tell if it was attached to the unit or not, but if you can find an aftermarket one or find the cover cheaply, that kinda frees up that area for bench space (if you're unable to actually remove the stove unit for some reason).I've seen a few models of what looked like cooktops that only had 2 burners, mostly in gas - but price wise they weren't substantially cheaper than 4-burner options, and the photos make it hard to tell if they're definitely intended to be permanently mounted to the bench. Portable seems to be more reliable in having 2-burner options, and significantly cheaper (and you don't need an electrician to come and install it, and you can pack it away when you're not using it so you get the bench space back). But, a big downside I've found with my two portables (one induction, one ceramic - the latter I use for crafting stuff where an open flame would be a bad idea, or I really don't want it inside the house) is that the induction can't handle heavy cookware (well, it's not rated to and I don't want to test it), and both have a bit of a diameter limit as well. Another is the loss of a power outlet that could be available for another appliance, if those are at a premium or awkwardly placed in your kitchen (assuming you can't get those moved or get a new outlet installed). The other downside may be not having an oven, but you can get standalone oven units, and that's probably a better idea if you're trying to save on space. Can't comment on installation costs and the like though. (I would not recommend bench top mini ovens, they don't get anywhere near the temperatures so you're very harshly limited on what you can use them for. They're almost all too small for any serious cooling or baking, and their power consumption is at minimum not any better.)