Post AzrhcQo9RqQeUMrdIG by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
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(DIR) Post #AzrdlsXRJh6NHbIRsW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T09:26:12Z
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"They're going to make driving much safer. But it will also mean big change for a lot of industries, like trucking.""I hadn't thought about it like that.""This is all happening in the next five years."I remember having this conversation at my graduation with total clarity. And back then I believed them. For years, when talking with urban planners about one topic or another I'd insist we think about the the inevitability of self-driving cars. This was decades ago. Multiple decades.
(DIR) Post #AzrdvXSsWSMuoullQm by va2lam@mastodon.nz
2025-11-03T09:27:54Z
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@futurebird which first, self driving cars (including in the snow) or nuclear fusion reactors...
(DIR) Post #Azre6RA8IL2cSXCL44 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T09:29:56Z
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@va2lam Listen we could have self driving cars right now if people would just be a bit more reasonable about how they REACT to "acceptable loss."(it's not "acceptable")
(DIR) Post #AzreLPIjUtK11wMJJA by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2025-11-03T09:32:38Z
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@futurebird @va2lam We have self-driving cars now. But we call them ‘trams’. They also carry a lot more people than private cars.
(DIR) Post #AzrefwWZgRmvrVcq7U by kim_harding@mastodon.scot
2025-11-03T09:36:18Z
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@futurebird Yeah, I fell for that nonsense years ago too. Later, when I started to think about it, I realised what a pack of lies it was...
(DIR) Post #Azrg4xVjFlj67BiqJc by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T09:52:04Z
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@futurebird do you mean, back in the early 2000s? Or the 1990s?
(DIR) Post #Azrg9Cm8RS7UcEQ9tw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T09:52:50Z
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@kim_harding The whole thing about driving being so much safer was really exciting to me and I wanted to believe it so badly. Cars remain the primary cause of accidental deaths. And instead we are being told that since the self driving cars kill about the same number of people (maybe more, maybe in new and unexpected ways...) that ought to be good enough for the "other benefits"But my brother in christ it was the promise of safer cars that got my attention in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AzrgLpIn1gtJZxiHMu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T09:55:07Z
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@llewelly Early 2000s is when I started hearing the big hype."you just need to accept this is going to happen"And I totally thought they were right. Even when it took a bit longer. Even through the early tesla days. But what was the magic bullet? It was superior safety when compared with human drivers. That was the big promise. And somehow "as good as humans" is the new bar.
(DIR) Post #AzrgMqbleiVNv44pCC by dominic@mastodon.green
2025-11-03T09:55:10Z
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@futurebird @kim_harding I was thinking we could replace the word "car" with "care" as in a care economy, then we might start to make progress
(DIR) Post #AzrgYrqkrg9xFHooUK by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T09:57:26Z
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@futurebird For most of my life, I thought self-driving vehicles would require purpose-built roads, designed and built for self-driving vehicles, and not allowing human drivers. Even now, I'm not entirely sure modern self-driving efforts have found a way around that requirement. (I suspect trams probably carry more people than self-driving cars even today.)
(DIR) Post #Azrh2OSchJnwmfbta4 by mina@berlin.social
2025-11-03T10:02:45Z
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@futurebird Same here, and I totally believed that the tech would be just around the corner, at least 20 years ago.So many tech bros are so much better at marketing than actually at tech.
(DIR) Post #AzrhcQo9RqQeUMrdIG by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-11-03T10:09:18Z
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@futurebird @kim_harding I still say to this day that the average human should not be allowed to drive. Most have a (actually literal) criminal level of apathy or even antipathy as they drive. Quite a lot of people straight up lack just the basic skills and won't learn them. (Things like, you know, looking before you swerve into another lane instead of just suddenly swerving without even a signal.)I'm still convinced that we truly need self-driving cars, but the fact is, we weren't there yet and the tech they tried to force was too soon and not ready and now, thanks to them trying to force it out anyway, it's probably going to cause a backlash that may well end any possibility of improvement for many decades.
(DIR) Post #Azrhd9jQQGO1ojzzfs by Uair@autistics.life
2025-11-03T10:09:24Z
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@futurebird @kim_harding Tangentially related--police chases kill two people every day. John Oliver did a deep dive on the subject tonight.https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=81038849
(DIR) Post #AzroXwegJRvxUbF5hg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T11:26:52Z
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@uriel OK but what happened to everything being so much safer? That was the part that got me interested in the first place. I think that part has been forgotten. This is just "don't want to hire a driver"
(DIR) Post #AzrvX3tMcWGFKJdUDg by epicdemiologist@wandering.shop
2025-11-03T12:45:11Z
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@futurebird @kim_harding Meanwhile, nobody's interested in the thing we have right now, today, that's literally 10x safer and much more fuel-efficient than cars (transit).
(DIR) Post #AzsA6oeu8JWTrgodVo by jes5199@mastodon.social
2025-11-03T15:28:26Z
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@futurebird 2030 though