Post Azr9ggFEbE5R59O1Mu by not2b@sfba.social
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(DIR) Post #Azr8sSkQVSkkk81xei by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T03:40:02Z
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"python is the JavaScript of programming languages"* offended* agreeing* confused* giggling(meanly)* offended(again)* confused (again)
(DIR) Post #Azr9D2LNs2tkvy7ym8 by grumpasaurus@infosec.exchange
2025-11-03T03:43:45Z
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@futurebird i mean. At least you can use python for math
(DIR) Post #Azr9M163sQbLfkF6iu by timthepost@mastodon.social
2025-11-03T03:45:21Z
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@futurebird needs more jQuery.
(DIR) Post #Azr9ggFEbE5R59O1Mu by not2b@sfba.social
2025-11-03T03:49:04Z
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@futurebird That's kind of like "German is the English of human languages". Python and JavaScript are both programming languages; JavaScript has invaded everywhere and is kind of a mess, kind of like English.
(DIR) Post #AzrAhSmSFDDZZErVUe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T04:00:27Z
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@not2b going on the "offended then gigging" roller coaster again
(DIR) Post #AzrDgKYFecNPcON0gC by graydon@canada.masto.host
2025-11-03T04:33:49Z
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@futurebird Javascript is the language of advertising. Python is the language of CS courses, where we're not concerned with efficiency.Neither of them are really suitable for anything where you need long term stability; there are clouds of dependencies variously maintained, so over time you are nigh-certain to experience surprise.
(DIR) Post #AzrQqE1M5XNXfE21VA by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-11-03T07:01:17Z
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@futurebird I've seen some JavaScript -- agree it isn't a programming language.
(DIR) Post #AzrUykqILG0JakBGvg by Landa@graz.social
2025-11-03T07:38:32Z
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@Quantensalat Well, there's this publicationhttps://anguscroll.com/hemingway/sample/index.htmlwhich contains one of the Bard's shorter works. `The Series of Fibonacci` is a comedy in two acts, concluding with that namesake series of numbers.;)@SnoopJ @not2b @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AzrlfF7dkdYWvpZlYG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T10:54:39Z
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@Virginicus @graydon Because of the language changing?As a teacher, I spend most of my time working with the basics of the language. So, I think I'm less aware of the changes which seem to have more impacts on the wider family of libraries. I like python because it has all of the major elements of a proper modern programming language and the code looks uncluttered and human readable. It looks like pseudo code, and, in a way, I really want to teach in pseudo code.
(DIR) Post #Azrm31tSaRdGqzHljM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-03T10:58:57Z
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@Virginicus @graydon Design an algorithm, implement the algorithm. Use logical operators correctly, subtize and abstract a problem into variables, objects, functions, and understand both the potential and limitations of your abstraction. Those are the big ideas I'm trying to teach. I also have come to like the "soft typing" of python. Variable types are important, but some of the time it makes doing simple tasks so cluttered the main idea can get lost.
(DIR) Post #AzroFTkR3BCIcs81Cq by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2025-11-03T11:23:35Z
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@futurebird @Virginicus @graydon I like python because it has all of the major elements of a proper modern programming language and the code looks uncluttered and human readable.There is, indeed, a subset of Python that has those properties. Unfortunately, it is less than 10% of the language. Smalltalk had this property to a far greater degree.
(DIR) Post #AzryW6MQFvy0YXSgE4 by graydon@canada.masto.host
2025-11-03T13:18:38Z
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@futurebird > has all of the major elements of a proper modern programming languageThis assumes a programming language is object-oriented and imperative. That's not properly a universal and in some problem domains actively unhelpful.Since I spend my working life in problem spaces where "actively unhelpful" applies, I'm maybe more sensitive to this than most.(There's also, even for the object-oriented and imperative, the issues of stability and dependency management.)@Virginicus