Post AzRNp2eVQHD50qyZcW by scottjenson@social.coop
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(DIR) Post #AzRNouvEADpf2OjoZc by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T12:20:51Z
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We need to talk more about reducing "tone policing" here. I understand you want people to use content warnings, but guess what? They don't have to! If they don't do it, just unfollow them.But please, don't harass them. That's what drove away our last big wave.Do whatever you need to feel safe, but harassing people to your standards doesn't make THEM feel safe. Stop it.
(DIR) Post #AzRNp2eVQHD50qyZcW by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T17:00:45Z
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I've already had a few randos in my mentions trying to tell me either:1) It's ok to correct people if done politelyJust because you use polite words doesn't mean it's polite. If you're giving people advice they didn't ask for, you're harassing them.2) My request was a form of tone policingAsking people to not harass others is not "tone policing", it's basic trust and safety. It's that classic sad defence that "you're intolerant too!" if you call out intolerance.Ummmm, no
(DIR) Post #AzRNpAnJ9R0KGT9iS0 by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T17:04:08Z
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Normally I wouldn't engage but I feel strongly we need to have this discussion and call out this almost entirely white male issue. The entire Mastodon team is working really hard to add features to bring in more people, in a safe way. It doesn't do any good if these guys just chase them away!
(DIR) Post #AzRPeU4vJSE8nQQTiq by thibaultamartin@mamot.fr
2025-10-21T12:50:35Z
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@scottjenson I don't have any data about the usefulness of Content Warnings but I can't think of a use case not already covered by filters.I rely on filters for content I don't want to see, and I don't need CW to match it. Are there cases where CWs catch what filters don't?
(DIR) Post #AzRPeVfTP33dj4XBKa by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-21T17:45:31Z
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@thibaultamartin @scottjenson people in my circles use them in all kinds of creative ways. Some people will CW stuff they know many of their followers will be bored by - I have a friend for example who is recently very into inline skating but chooses to CW those posts because they know many of their friends don't really care. I CW posts of food, both for the benefit of people with eating disorders and because some people just don't like the stereotype of feeds full of what you had for lunch. I even say whether the food has meat, etc. in the CW because I mostly eat vegan, and some vegans who follow me may not want to open those posts. People will put jokes in the CW punchlines in the body. I've seen polls or other trivia type questions where people CW the answer not to spoil it for others.There are so, so many great uses for CWs, but they tend to form within individual sub-communities - so we are not even aware of all the ways they get used. This is, to me, a major reason not to try to bully others into using them the same way. My policy is: if something comes across my feed that isn't CWed in the way I would - well, I just don't boost it! No need to bother the author.
(DIR) Post #AzRQ4fwvnamp8vB1jU by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T17:50:14Z
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@ricci @thibaultamartin Thank you! That is such nuanced way to explain it. I'm not against CWs at all and I do hope communities find better ways to use them.
(DIR) Post #AzRQhSoaZC7dhUlp7w by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-21T17:57:16Z
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@scottjenson @thibaultamartin FWIW, I didn't take your original post to be anti-CW, I think "CWs are a very cool feature of this space" and "don't complain about how others use or don't use CWs" are perfectly compatible statements
(DIR) Post #AzRR72IVmQpwzHxbJw by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-10-21T18:01:41Z
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@scottjenson the distinction we should make is re tagging others, not what you post with nobody tagged. when tagging others, be super considerate. if it might come off as nagging, don't do it.I want us to be the social media network for everyone, but some do not want us to get bigger and most of those people are the reason this place survived the leanest years. that's tough to deal with. it's a huge conversation, esp when we're the only design that can handle that size well. ugh.
(DIR) Post #AzRRu2j8yJGaVdmlc0 by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T18:10:43Z
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@ricci @thibaultamartin Exactly!
(DIR) Post #AzRSVfjqtJ3qDR3m7M by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T18:17:16Z
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@wjmaggos I appreciate your points, we all want this to be an inclusive, safe place.My only issue is that giving people advice they didn't ask for, is still aggressive. It doesn't matter if you use nice words.This needs to be solved at the instance level. Police your instance all you want, get the culture you want there. But leave other instances alone. It just doesn't scale to think you can "fix" the other 10000.If they're not doing it the way you want, then unfollow them
(DIR) Post #AzRTRUSmyCYY2feGkC by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-10-21T18:27:47Z
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@scottjenson not sure we disagree.but I also want a place where people disagree without being disagreeable. I want people to interact here like they would IRL. I want to be corrected sometimes. I want to see stuff I think is wrong or untrue sometimes. it's harder without many of the social cues we have IRL but trying to make this a place where we never see something upsetting won't be good either. it's very much like the web + email. it should be open but not annoying or people won't use it.
(DIR) Post #AzRaRRcIFldgtO1GPQ by scottjenson@social.coop
2025-10-21T19:46:09Z
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@wjmaggos As an old white guy, I've had a personal journey here. It's taken me awhile to understand that being comfortable with being corrected is a privileged place. To see that others didn't have this same comfort level was a big step, but it was also difficult to see how correcting people without being asked is an intrusion. It may be welcome some of the time, but it's still an intrusion.But this is a very general point. I'm just saying to do this over CWs just feels so unnecessary.
(DIR) Post #AzRghWodI58PNJqMe8 by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-21T20:56:34Z
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@scottjenson > call out this almost entirely white male issueI want to add something to this, my memory of what CW-policing looked like when I joined in fall 2022 was that most of it was people trying to police what they though *others* would want CWed. eg. not "I was triggered by this, you should have CWed it" but "some other people might be triggered by this therefore you need to CW it" - if you think you are being by doing this, you are almost definitely not
(DIR) Post #AzRiBfylswoER9Wd72 by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-21T21:13:12Z
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@alcinnz @thibaultamartin @scottjenson Yeah, I've seen people put a CW and then a link to the thing they wanted to boost in the body, since the original didn't have the CW they wanted on it.