Post AzJ8me5eiiDNg8OYmO by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
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(DIR) Post #AzHVBxkSZuIYYv2RFo by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-16T19:52:30Z
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To members of the NixOS community: vote for the next Steering Committee has started! If you’re eligible to vote, you should have received an email with instructions!I am running for a seat in the SC, if you want to know about my platform, read my post about it: https://luj.fr/blog/my-hopes-and-plans-for-nixos.htmlIf you don’t have time to read it, I’d say the best reason to vote for me is that I am the #1 terror of the group of outcasts (including JonRinger) that have divided the community for years now. 🔁 appreciated!
(DIR) Post #AzJ0ua030rlZfx2ntg by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T16:30:39Z
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@lujHellllow candidate! What your stance on permabans, on suspension schedules, on rule-based v. sense-based, how'd you restart the mod process now that the team quit
(DIR) Post #AzJ4LVOyW2Vd63Ec0e by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:09:06Z
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@nobody My stance is that the moderation team needs more support than it needs processes. If I’m elected on the SC I’m not about to go try to micromanage it. I think there is currently some kind of mediation process between moderation team and SC, I’d like to see where it goes and if the moderator that quit are willing to come back and how we can improve the relationship between SC and moderation. The worst case scenario IMO would be to have to re-boostrap a team from scratch.
(DIR) Post #AzJ4vYA1jfYA4uQjVQ by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:15:39Z
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@lujAnd if the mod team doesn't want reinstatement?
(DIR) Post #AzJ55kPp1lhwyugGrw by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:17:28Z
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@nobody Then we should recruit new moderators, but I am very much hoping this scenario is not going to happen…
(DIR) Post #AzJ56QH5Odfwnyut5E by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:17:38Z
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@lujNo micromanagement 👍👍👍 good, but if it came to a vote, not to design processes, but to choose upper and lower bounds: permabans, yay or nay?
(DIR) Post #AzJ5MMD0HTSipQbZtA by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:20:28Z
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@nobody My personal values dictate that a permaban could be cancelled if we have concrete evidences that the offender understood the issues in their ways and enacted real change. Unfortunately I’m think this rarely happens. Again, I’d leave that kind of decision to the moderators
(DIR) Post #AzJ5apbpldJ24C7Zcu by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:23:07Z
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@lujIdk I feel like itd be a super healthy thing to rotate as soon as things don't feel cool. No Finnish Sisu, no Soviet Brutalism or Stakhanovstshina, no Heroism, no Stoic bullshit
(DIR) Post #AzJ5q9NqWqafjusoiW by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:25:53Z
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@lujBut hey we don't have to talk in abstract. @arianvp did the mod team mean it when you quit, or was it more like "we gonna nap until after the election"?
(DIR) Post #AzJ60SXWA70e2xK40W by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:27:45Z
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@lujAch so... the "people gotta be reformed" stance
(DIR) Post #AzJ6AZztI1G24WQ4mW by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:29:33Z
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@nobody I don’t necessary disagree but I don’t think the SC particularly had the competence to hire good moderators, particularly when being pressured by time to do so. The moderation team is in the best position to hire and mentor the new moderators
(DIR) Post #AzJ6Mc5hKbAA2YsFP6 by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:31:43Z
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@nobody I really see moderation like the job of a teacher in kindergarden. You were mean to your little collegue, you were not willing to behave in a way that did not hurt them, you get a timeout and you can come back when you thought hard about your behavior
(DIR) Post #AzJ6dDhXGTqLJtUUk4 by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:34:44Z
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@luj> I don’t think the SC particularly had the competence to hire good moderators,What competences do you think can it have?
(DIR) Post #AzJ6mzEltcuRMAh52e by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:36:31Z
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@lujAha! So you do think in terms of timeouts, and you don't expect children to learn the lesson the first time or stay out until they have
(DIR) Post #AzJ6wsgH7y8xuzHCW8 by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:38:16Z
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@nobody Uhh yeah I mean usually first offense timeout, give people an opportunity to cool down and come back, repeated offense permaban is okay imo
(DIR) Post #AzJ72MfJ4dOIMRREDA by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:39:16Z
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@nobody wdym ?
(DIR) Post #AzJ7FRjFYhQXpWWKS8 by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:41:39Z
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@lujI mean, so far we haven't had any real job for the SC, nor have we given them any legal powers (their decisions have no bearing on the Foundations, unless the Board feels like listening). So the question is quite literal. What's the purpose? What's the jurisdiction?
(DIR) Post #AzJ7JlGSrpdtZr77nE by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:42:23Z
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@nobody you don’t recognize the power the SC is given by the constitution ?
(DIR) Post #AzJ7LvG4gKx19Rxhmy by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:42:51Z
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@lujWhat power?
(DIR) Post #AzJ7TlCJyEimGXwZPc by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:44:13Z
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@nobody I mean all the competencies described in the SC paragraph here: https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md
(DIR) Post #AzJ7YyGknZBiFpVAfI by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:45:11Z
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@lujBut also, yes, of course, the constitution is the SC's constitution, or Edef's constitution, not the "community"'s constitution, nor did the "community" suddenly acquire constituiency in 2024 to be able to approve "constitutions"
(DIR) Post #AzJ7lzbDAI3c8yHP5k by luj@chaos.social
2025-10-17T17:47:30Z
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@nobody For the sake of not derrailing completely this conversation (which I am happy to do IRL), I’ll consider that as you ask me question as a candidate for SC elections, you recognize the existence if the SC and its potential impact
(DIR) Post #AzJ7zuh4CUWKz2elX6 by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:50:04Z
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@lujOh, of course the SC exists, just like any other "team". And I admit the possibility it might be able to do good. But it don't seem like there's any consistent vision for what it should do except "exist"
(DIR) Post #AzJ8FkaHYSa4GN2DIG by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:52:55Z
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@luj"guide", "ensure", "maintain", "empower"... Basically the one real item there is giving out access, such as the commit bits. Much ado about nothing. Let's conjure up something more ambitious here, a "could be"?
(DIR) Post #AzJ8me5eiiDNg8OYmO by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T17:58:52Z
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@lujCC @cafkafk @nyanbinary @Pol @djacu @niklaskorz
(DIR) Post #AzJAsFR5UscArPDdDs by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-10-17T18:22:17Z
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@lujBtw so far it hasn't been a competence matter, more like a "do you volunteer" matter. I mean, none of our mods had a degree in psychology afaik. So if you just make a call for volunteers and approve-vote the candidates, I see no strong reason why you'd end up with a workgroup inherently worse than before
(DIR) Post #AzJFdJkRgK4df4yPEu by Ericson2314@mastodon.social
2025-10-17T19:15:33Z
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@nobody @luj @cafkafk @nyanbinary @Pol @djacu @niklaskorz @glepage @roberth I am also hopeful that mediation will be really good. Crossing my fingers!