Post AyhKN5C78mcleeW372 by pepper0@aus.social
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(DIR) Post #Ayg29KPvkkpsTqJIFE by vermaden@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-28T20:58:26Z
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Linux is just a gateway drug to FreeBSD.CHANGE MY MIND
(DIR) Post #Ayg29LaFPsgO6892xs by Larvitz@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-28T21:00:09Z
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@vermaden As I wrote in my profile: "Linux pays the bills, FreeBSD feeds the soul."In Europe, it's just way more popular to find Linux systems in environments, where you can earn money. But BSD with it's inherent simplicity and robustness is just a joy.
(DIR) Post #Ayg2DByb4tZjSZMqxc by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-09-28T21:11:29.932552Z
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@Larvitz @vermaden i really like this sentiment. linux is everywhere in professional and personal life. bsd keeps me grounded back in my roots and generally is a simple and relaxing experience.
(DIR) Post #Ayg2Uib72vfNYVjwlk by Larvitz@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-28T21:11:56Z
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@jae @vermaden this 👆
(DIR) Post #Ayg2UjK8LXg9o8ntwW by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-09-28T21:14:38.780360Z
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@Larvitz @vermaden i started in bsd in the 90s and was hooked. things even back then were stable, simple, and followed philosophy i aligned with. fast forward to today, we don't have layer upon layer of deadend-abstraction, bsd is still stable, and while it may not be "cutting edge", i've cut myself enough over the decades to know better. now that i think of it, i should write about this.
(DIR) Post #Ayg2frJyx5XlnU2WVE by Larvitz@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-28T21:16:22Z
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@jae @vermaden The first time, I started with actual FreeBSD was around 2005 (FreeBSD 6). In some cardboard box in my basement, I still have the CDRom, it was burned on :)
(DIR) Post #Ayg2sTNZHP3xJ3jQf2 by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-09-28T21:18:57.632869Z
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@Larvitz @vermaden i downloaded installation media over dialup. the long-wait was not a disappointment. it's interesting to reflect. back then i was automating things via scripts. now we have these fancy tools that do it all (general computing tooling/ops/code) but at the end of the day, it could have been a shell script. :sweat: its one of the reasons i enjoy being part of bsd community. simplicity is championed, not used as an entry to the steel cage of tech-debate.
(DIR) Post #Ayg30nk5SBfqmKEhOq by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-28T21:20:25.985272Z
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@vermaden not really, i tried freebsd but couldnt stick due to things not working
(DIR) Post #AygApXy4YsQEIpvEjw by vermaden@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-28T21:37:14Z
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@Larvitz @jae Artifacts ... we all collect them.
(DIR) Post #AyhDT4W5sFmjbwlnUm by pepper0@aus.social
2025-09-28T23:48:04Z
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@vermaden @Larvitz @stefano @jae @rqm @pertho But how #BSD people view and perceive an #Gentoo / #NixOS ? (comment If only expirienced advantages of it)Also I've heard Alpine & Void trying to simulate BSD ways, of developing kernel+userland in same source tree.Also, I do consider GPLv3 is more kosher than BSD license.
(DIR) Post #AyhDT5itO9cJLvlX5E by pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-29T06:43:07Z
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@pepper0 @vermaden @Larvitz @stefano @jae @rqm I discovered Linux in '98 after years of running a DOS BBS and later OS/2. In '99, I got a job as a Solaris SysAdmin. I ran Gentoo in 2002-2003. I eventually got tired of waiting for it to compile things. I tried OpenBSD and FreeBSD and liked them both but leaned more towards OpenBSD. I've been exploring more of FreeBSD lately. Today I run all 3. I have OpenBSD running on a small headless, fanless device, I have FreeBSD on my 8th gen Intel laptop, and I'm running Void Linux on my 12th gen daily driver.
(DIR) Post #AyhDtkAJeD8uJNIlBQ by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-09-29T10:57:09.389657Z
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@pertho @pepper0 @vermaden @Larvitz @stefano @rqm i like the mix of things you have. openbsd brrs my server, freebsd is my desktop, alpine is a laptop. i'm pretty happy with the setup. i do sometimes experiment with linux distros (ie arch) but the daily setup is the above. alpine (and void) to me feel more like a bsd system which is sort of comfy. if i could describe my setup in one word, it's boring which feels like a good thing
(DIR) Post #AyhKN5C78mcleeW372 by pepper0@aus.social
2025-09-29T11:13:26Z
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@jae @rqm @Larvitz @pertho @stefano @vermaden I have issue/question with/for #BSD. It's not like this issue is solved with #Linux, it still persist in linux, but there are ways to solve it. I want Windows like expirience where : a) I can copy binary built for NetBSD and will it work on other, let's say for example OpenBSD ? e.g. crossplatform compatibility, like for binary apps between win xp/7/10b) is static linkage well adopted and implemented across BSD distros?c) is that easy to install in BSD multiple version of same app, at same time, parallel. E.g. for example v1 & v2 & v3 of Nano editor, or Firefox. is that achievable with 1 command line? for same single shared user, without using bsd jail/container.
(DIR) Post #AyhKN6N8lH2RJ8gMwC by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-09-29T12:09:40.119695Z
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@pepper0 @rqm @Larvitz @pertho @stefano @vermaden > I want Windows like expirience where entirely different systems. you may be able to make it work, but it's hacky.> I can copy binary built for NetBSDit's possible some may work, but even if they are built with libc which is common, the kernel abi is not consistent across the bsd operating systems (they are separate entities with common ancestral roots, but not in parity)> static linkwhile you can do it, i would not recommend it. it causes complexity for security updates, resource efficiency, and package management. it's basically like creating a custom shoe for a person. it's not going to be very portable and it's generally discouraged> multi-versionyou can likely accomplish this with ports ie vim, vim-devel directories. i just don't do much with this. you'd likely need more than one line to do this.i'm uncertain what your experience is with bsd or linux, but what you're describing is a bit complex and has a lot of sharp-edges. had you considered spinning up vms of net/open/free bsd and just experimenting? there's a ton of documentation on the bsds and endless amount of blog posts with good writing and niche setups if you have a search.
(DIR) Post #AyhliKvyVtrPJXKHKK by vermaden@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-28T21:36:18Z
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@mischievoustomatoWhat did not worked and when You tried it? I could help ...
(DIR) Post #AyiL1EcBjFjDc5ol28 by TomAoki@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-09-29T23:26:37Z
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@ottobackwards @vermaden @pepper0 @jae @rqm @Larvitz @pertho @stefano It would be because the versions/equivalents of softwares depended upon by the specific software are different between distros.Official pkgs of FreeBSD are built with default options/dependencies to make as much softwares out of the box as possible, but many of them can be switched using non-default options and / or flavors by building somehow locally.In both cases, exactly same ports tree is used.Note that, IIUC, most currently existing BSDs uses FreeBSD ports or its derivatives. IIRC, NetBSD first introduced FreeBSD ports, then, switched to (initially) derived version of ports as pkgsrc and going different way since then.And currently, although there are differences with the framework, Chromium team of FreeBSD and OpenBSD are co-working and sharing most of the patches. More, ports on FreeBSD still has mechanisms to allow other OS'es use it (not all ports are aware of it, though, and some are mutually impossible).