Post AyNZAz9EbIYmAF24ki by fredy_pferdi@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #AyEOKlfrJJhN0Vte3k by thomas_klopf@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T13:07:26Z
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Hi, curious if anyone has an opinion about meshnet projects out there, which are the most viable? Not just technology but also potential for adoption… #meshnet
(DIR) Post #AyEV0SFoVI3GfFyVw8 by onan@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T14:22:11Z
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@thomas_klopf A DIY solution: hitch a ride on the existing exceptionally large AirTag network.AirTag devices can be given names, emojis, categories. Those names and emojis and categories can convey information in themselves, as can how and when and where they are moved. Re-name your AirTag device, a message is sent out, only chosen others can read it, of them only informed others can understand the encoded / cryptographic message.Instant short-message mesh network of 1B+ devices.:jrbd:
(DIR) Post #AyEVbwzZBRWui9Fru4 by johnhattan@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T14:28:58Z
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@thomas_klopf I believe @Unabart is one to talk to ..
(DIR) Post #AyEY7AzJOfjr0J9YeW by RevChumok@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T14:57:01Z
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@thomas_klopf I've got several mesh devices. I'm able to message from basically anywhere. PeakMesh on Etsy makes excellent solar outdoor units that run very well.
(DIR) Post #AyEZh2vuvCWSOyEWoK by thomas_klopf@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T15:14:43Z
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Interesting! How about tcp/ip / ‘internet’ over mesh?
(DIR) Post #AyEZmsHhQTRj74CWNk by thomas_klopf@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T15:15:46Z
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@RevChumok @onan Interesting! How about tcp/ip / ‘internet’ over mesh?
(DIR) Post #AyEeO0LUoiRQe5wAca by RevChumok@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T16:07:18Z
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@thomas_klopf @onan meshtastic is just 916MHz radio based. But one can connect it to Internet via mqtt. That node can subscribe to all or a subset of mesh on mqtt. I subscribe to all of Florida.
(DIR) Post #AyEumXe6G4fu8mMSBM by yousee@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T19:11:00Z
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@thomas_klopf i think yggdrasil-network is the most far along and has been the silver standard at least for a while nowi've been poking around with gnunet for quite a while but the codebase is densealso librerouter / libremesh had some good workthere was more interest in experimenting with decentralized tech a decade ago, seems a lot of the momentum slowed down
(DIR) Post #AyF1vaCunrWqN1u6xk by thomas_klopf@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T20:31:04Z
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@yousee nice thanks for the info! Full disclosure, I’m just thinking about what could be an alternative to LEO satellite internet, since the Conspiracy is driving us to be 100% dependent on it. Curious what others think about that.
(DIR) Post #AyF4iDpyxjJX5bUwIy by boogerly@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T21:02:16Z
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@thomas_klopf Assuming this is about LoRa, perhaps not. I've played with #meshtastic. I plan to get into #reticulum as well. The latter appears to have better routing & bridging to other protocols. The LoRa projects are line-of-sight and even a leaf can block signal, so it's very sensitive to positioning and high elevation repeaters that are not blocked. Experiments at DefCon exposed weaknesses in meshtastic. Reticulum has an active Matrix group for Q&A.
(DIR) Post #AyIaDgWLRPg1QQtT2e by mstiemisty@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T19:41:20Z
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@RevChumok @thomas_klopf @onan This is so odd: I’ve once watched a video about tech in post-societal collapse and it was told like a slice-of-life story about a family living on a houseboat. They used a wireless internet connection technology which was entirely based on ham radio signals.
(DIR) Post #AyIaDhiQzwwR8DYdWa by boogerly@dobbs.town
2025-09-15T21:21:15Z
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@mstiemisty @RevChumok @thomas_klopf @onan This was likely APRS. Far more stable than LoRa, but heavily regulated by the Con.
(DIR) Post #AyIaDiqcmz5SduOgvg by RevChumok@dobbs.town
2025-09-17T12:28:19Z
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@boogerly @mstiemisty @thomas_klopf @onan something I just discovered is bitchat. I plan to test with a friend I'm meeting tonight.
(DIR) Post #AyNZAz9EbIYmAF24ki by fredy_pferdi@social.linux.pizza
2025-09-15T23:44:42Z
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@boogerly @thomas_klopf #reticulum lets you integrate whatever technologies you want it to interface with:Data radios, modems, LoRa radios, serial lines, AX.25 TNCs, amateur radio digital modes, WiFi and Ethernet devices. Much more secure protocol than #meshtastic and has lots of potential. Currently there is no stand-alone firmware for micro controllers means the so called Rnodes have to be connected to a smartphone or computer. I would love to see a stand-alone firmware for devices like the t-deck, this would open up so many interesting usecases. https://reticulum.network/hardware.html
(DIR) Post #AyNZB0RLnQe4AiW3d2 by oh8hub@mastodon.radio
2025-09-18T12:30:23Z
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@fredy_pferdi @boogerly @thomas_klopf It is not permitted to use encryption on radio amateur bands so can't use #Reticulum there.
(DIR) Post #AyNZB1T9yBgdMcN15U by fredy_pferdi@social.linux.pizza
2025-09-18T20:15:21Z
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@oh8hub @boogerly @thomas_klopf Lora is an internationa standart and most countires allow encrytion for IOT applications on that permited lora bands as long as it is not unintelligible what the packages are and thats not the case with lora. Meshtastic also uses encrytion and I have never heard of a single person world wide to get in trouble for it. LoraWAN on the same frequenceis is commercally used world wide as well, no licence rquired and this is encrypted as well. It is a common missinterpretation that encrytpiton is generally permmited on Lora bands.for example:11(2)(b) of the UK Amateur license Terms, conditions and limitations;“Messages sent from the station shall not be encrypted for the purposes of rendering the Message unintelligible to other radio spectrum users”https://stuartsprojects.github.io/2020/03/09/can-uk-radio-amateurs-use-LoRa.html
(DIR) Post #AyNZB2FN4wFdm8vWEa by oh8hub@mastodon.radio
2025-09-18T20:21:03Z
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@fredy_pferdi @boogerly @thomas_klopf It feels like you are confusing globally regulated radio amateur usage with license free usage that most LoRa applications use. LoRa user still needs to follow the regulation of the specific radio band.E.g. in EU SRD860 band is mostly used for Meshtastic, The Things Network, etc. but it doesn't have anything to do with amateur radio.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-range_device#SRD860
(DIR) Post #AyNZB30AGxgK7GotAe by fredy_pferdi@social.linux.pizza
2025-09-19T08:17:20Z
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@oh8hub @boogerly @thomas_klopf Did some research and I'm sorry to tell you but I think the confusion is on your side:Using LORA that as part of the SRD860, is NOT the same as using encrypted messages on amateur radio bands.Don’t conflate amateur radio with LoRa in ISM bands they are completely different regulatory domains. In most applications it’s a global standard for low-power, wide-area networks (LPWAN), used in IoT, smart cities, agriculture, logistics, and mesh networking. LoRa operates in unlicensed ISM bands (e.g., 868 MHz in Europe, 915 MHz in the US, 433 MHz in Asia), not amateur radio bands, unless you intentionally use it for amateur ham purposes it has nothing to do with the laws around ham radio.Creating a Low-power wide-area network on SRD860 is legally something different than transmitting with a ham. The European Telecommunications Standards Institute permits and even encourages the use of encryption on those LPWAN networks. The standards was designed for IOT applications and for applications like this encryption is kinda key to mitigate many threads.https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/103500_103599/103526/01.01.01_60/tr_103526v010101p.pdf#lora #meshtasitc #reticulum #IoT #Privacy #OpenSource #EU #868MHz #Encryption #ham #hamradio
(DIR) Post #AyNZB4Q5060OVvx6Ce by oh8hub@mastodon.radio
2025-09-19T08:35:43Z
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@fredy_pferdi @boogerly @thomas_klopf Yes. And my original toot was about using Reticulum on amateur radio bands. This is illegal on most jurisdictions (I couldn't find any exceptions).
(DIR) Post #AyNZB4vH86xW4gY0pM by fredy_pferdi@social.linux.pizza
2025-09-19T08:39:13Z
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@oh8hub @boogerly @thomas_klopf I was to dumb to understand your response correctly I'm sorry :|
(DIR) Post #AyNZB5gQIofmQubfJg by thomas_klopf@dobbs.town
2025-09-19T23:21:09Z
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@fredy_pferdi @oh8hub @boogerly hey everyone, thanks a lot for the great discussion and information shared here, all from my little post! A purely academic/hypothetical question: any idea how reticulum could work over shortwave ? I don’t even understand the layers of networking covered by reticulum (like OSI), interested what combination of protocols could work there. Again, just hypothetical, in case of nuclear war or dictatorship of the airwaves
(DIR) Post #AyOC3Y7Mb1boW6bPtI by oh8hub@mastodon.radio
2025-09-20T06:36:56Z
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@thomas_klopf @fredy_pferdi @boogerly You'll need a TNC modem and connect that with Reticulum. TNC is a hardware or software tool that makes turns streams of bits into fancy sounds and other way around. Then you connect TNC into radio.For example FreeDVTNC2 (https://github.com/xssfox/freedvtnc2) or Direwolf (https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf) are free software TNC modems.
(DIR) Post #AyOxmM9KdVaQH6OHeC by thomas_klopf@dobbs.town
2025-09-20T15:31:44Z
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@oh8hub @fredy_pferdi @boogerly nice thank you ! 😊