Post Ay45KPvbZRGsy39AWm by matt@oslo.town
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(DIR) Post #Ay2NE5G2v387ysuy92 by anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz
2025-09-09T11:47:58Z
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every time I see someone going "I finally ditched #firefox and went with this closed source chromium based alternative instead"all I can think of is
(DIR) Post #Ay3GriUcTNl4RHe5vk by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-09-10T04:21:56Z
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@anthropy The Firefox ship may be about to sink, but it hasn't yet, and chrome is already a known threat and problem. So why comply in advance?
(DIR) Post #Ay45KKZ5VjHyKlZcEi by oblomov@sociale.network
2025-09-09T17:25:03Z
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@anthropy that's literally the only reason why I haven't switched over. I used to be an Opera aficionado when it was its own browser with its own rendering engine, and now I would *love* to switch to Vivaldi for many of the same reasons why I used to love Opera, but its reliance on Blink is a killer 8-(
(DIR) Post #Ay45KLvSS2mEYR2zk8 by matt@oslo.town
2025-09-10T11:06:31Z
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@oblomov @anthropy I used to work at Opera :opera: when it had its own rendering engine (and for a bit post-blink), so know a lot of the people making Vivaldi :vivaldi: Right now, I would much rather put my trust in the group of people that I know, making that product in Norway 🇳🇴 and Iceland 🇮🇸, that keep making good decisions about their product, than in the Silicon Valley strangers at Mozilla the USA 🇺🇸 that keep making terrible decisions.🤷
(DIR) Post #Ay45KMo3B4RhHkaaps by mauro@mograph.social
2025-09-10T11:08:59Z
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@matt @oblomov @anthropy isn’t vivaldi a chromium browser with a proprietary front end on top of it?
(DIR) Post #Ay45KNzmkvQWyR5TlY by matt@oslo.town
2025-09-10T11:10:47Z
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@mauro @oblomov @anthropy Yes.Yet weirdly, Vivaldi are way more likely to listen to customer feedback and product improvements than Mozilla are. 🙃It's great that they both exist so people can choose which they prefer to use.
(DIR) Post #Ay45KP6YdEREPjGOxc by oblomov@sociale.network
2025-09-10T12:10:05Z
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@matt @mauro @anthropy the problem is that they can only listen to customer feedback for UI/UX comments, not concerning what defines the world wide web, which is way more important.For example, they cannot support JPEG-XL that Google decided to drop https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/85153/adding-support-for-jpeg-xl-jxl-images/15When Google will finalize dropping support for XSLT, Vivaldi will have to follow suit https://wok.oblomov.eu/tecnologia/google-killing-open-web/Similarly, it won't be able to support the Gemini protocol or the Gemtext format.
(DIR) Post #Ay45KPvbZRGsy39AWm by matt@oslo.town
2025-09-10T12:28:06Z
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@oblomov @mauro @anthropy Chromium is open-source and there are tickets in the public bug tracker which Vivaldi staff are cc'd in on - so I would presume there is some collaboration happening.Vivaldi *could* dedicate resources to either improving the existing code for Chromium or legally fork Chromium and develop their own version based on it.Until then, Chromium is used by many other browsers that there's an industry-wide interest in keeping it up to date compared to Gecko.
(DIR) Post #Ay45KQaj6YAH1aO0ci by mauro@mograph.social
2025-09-10T12:32:30Z
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@matt @oblomov @anthropy I'd say chromium is "open-source", since it's maintained by google devs that can decide on any external contribution wether to accept it or not. I believe that any browser that is using chromium is doing a huge disservice to the open web, definitely not helping the cause.Vivaldi is great at marketing to the right audience. That's it.
(DIR) Post #Ay45KRZLTAec3akQ6q by matt@oslo.town
2025-09-10T12:40:24Z
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@mauro @oblomov @anthropy People seem to lament the Presto days and whilst I really loved Opera, it was all proprietary software.Chromium is open source and maintained by Google devs. But - correct me if I am wrong - Gecko is open source and maintained by Mozilla devs. Both companies are making shitty decisions.It just feels like a lose-lose to me but I can understand why a new browser (2015 is new, right?) would choose Chromium over Gecko. 🤷
(DIR) Post #Ay45KShtEt5DaNkl4C by oblomov@sociale.network
2025-09-10T12:50:40Z
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@matt @mauro @anthropy Proprietary software is less of an issue for the health of an ecosystem than a monoculture. Opera/Presto was a net positive for the health of the web because it was an independent implementation of the W3C standards. Google's control of the WHATWG via Chromium and the controlled opposition of Gecko is catastrophic: the Blink code being open source is completely irrelevant when whatever Google decides (and nothing else) goes.
(DIR) Post #Ay4ITGtdonOWxzmT2W by raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest
2025-09-10T16:14:38.463Z
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@anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz Spoiler: They do not.
(DIR) Post #Ay4IeCWiPBuabEGjR2 by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-09-10T16:15:53.324Z
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@anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz I ditched firefox and went with a closed-source webkit alternative (safari)