Post AxwUuzuODWE8ZbRFmC by wjmaggos@liberal.city
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(DIR) Post #AxwKTdrT53mUppOBwu by ahltorp@mastodon.nu
2025-09-06T14:31:26Z
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@thisismissem But what if one of the protocols people are telling us is pro-open is in practice only used to build closed platforms. What conclusions should we draw then? If we keep throwing bananas into the cave and banana peels keep being thrown back out, then what?
(DIR) Post #AxwLPVzKVjzrDEf8LI by j12t@j12t.social
2025-09-06T14:52:42Z
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@thisismissem I would add that both protocols support use cases that the other protocol has a hard time addressing. ActivityPub, for example, is much better at point to point communication where no third party overhears what is happening. ATproto, for example, can be used to build “global trending” or a global index much more easily.I would not be surprised if at the end of they, the open social web would simultaneously end up using both, in a complementary fashion.
(DIR) Post #AxwLPWxEuzv2D2gyiu by jackwilliambell@rustedneuron.com
2025-09-06T17:48:57Z
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@j12t @thisismissem I hope not. 'Global trending' requires a central authority with a view into EVERY message on the system. And the last two decades have convinced me ANYTHING requiring such centralized access is dangerous and will be misused.Federation is the ONLY answer if want you want is something the users control. Because, in worst case, we can fall back to whitelists instead of blacklists and tunnel the messages.Have we learned NOTHING?
(DIR) Post #AxwOl5pOkpBIJMzvfM by mat@friendica.exon.name
2025-09-06T20:11:28Z
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It follows that AP is best suited to talking to friends, while AT is best suited to talking to strangers. And there is a far larger demand for the former than the latter. So I'd predict a future where AT evolves into a high-performance enclave embedded inside AP.
(DIR) Post #AxwOl6z0SaSdtSV7HU by j12t@j12t.social
2025-09-06T20:22:30Z
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@mat “AP is best suited to talking to friends, while AT is best suited to talking to strangers”. That is great framing, I’m going to steal this! (with credit!) @thisismissem
(DIR) Post #AxwOl7mzSkRYOTt2Bs by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-09-06T20:47:00Z
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@j12t @mat @thisismissem what's the argument for this? I disagree because talking to the public (the entire point of social media imo) will never matter if there's a wealthy middleman. AT afaict will usually have that while AP won't. witness @mondoweiss vs Turkiye getting bluesky to censor some accounts.
(DIR) Post #AxwUuySLcICa4LJLQe by mat@friendica.exon.name
2025-09-06T21:42:20Z
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You're mostly agreeing with me: AT is destined to have problems because it's designed to scale to many users, not to many providers, leaving it vulnerable to censorship. Where we disagree is whether social media is for talking to the public. Compare the MAU of Facebook and Twitter to answer that question.
(DIR) Post #AxwUuzuODWE8ZbRFmC by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-09-06T21:56:06Z
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@mat @thisismissem @mondoweiss @j12t I think we do.Facebook and OG Twitter seem similar but I think they are (at least used) very different and it explains their numbers. The first is about communities while the latter was about public discourse. I wish we'd use social networking vs social media to distinguish them.I'm a civics and "popular culture should be democratically determined, not bought" guy so I wish more wanted to use spaces like we did OG Twitter, but they don't. YET
(DIR) Post #AxwshToacuZ0AjoSjg by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-09-07T02:22:49Z
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@mastodonmigration @thisismissem Hi, creator of that site here!Just to clear up what it does and does not show:* It shows the current state of where *user data* is stored* It does not show how decentralized or not moderation, feeds, etc. are* It does not show how the networks might evolve in the future in response to various types of pressure