Post AxV9osL26e8D3GDqJU by srtcd424@mas.to
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 (DIR) Post #AxV8v9nxyjNJ0UBfEm by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-08-24T17:12:42Z
       
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       @ltning @nina_kali_nina I wish it still was. Once could say the downfall of the Internet was that it is the world's cheapest advertising medium.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxV9osL26e8D3GDqJU by srtcd424@mas.to
       2025-08-24T11:54:29Z
       
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       @nina_kali_nina the last few years there's finally been some recognition of the grim 'masculinization' shift in the field from the 70s onwards - I've seen various articles every now and then in some mainstream publications. Now we just need things to actually change back again!
       
 (DIR) Post #AxV9ouKkgf5xEy6e9Y by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-08-24T17:22:45Z
       
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       @srtcd424 @nina_kali_nina There are books on this. I have two but cannot find! Mild research I've done, us uk:1940s, eniac and Brit code cracking and computing: "everyone knew" the manly hardware did the hard work but needed clerical tedious data entry (eg women).Turned out "programming" was rigorous skilled work. Women excelled at this (those weirdos with advanced math degrees but disallowed teaching and uni cuz gender) eniac women read schematics to figure out plug programming. By early/mid 50s programming recognized as actual skill. By mid/late 50s women were getting pushed out. England had *explicit stated goal of removing women from programming*. Plus of course the whole time macho is as macho does. I gotta find my books.  I'll dig through old curricula to find notes and photos.  Probably on my website somewhere.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxVFFYbm4MULRwaxRg by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-08-24T18:23:37Z
       
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       @nina_kali_nina You'll love this:In Jean Sammet's wonderful book PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES HISTORY AND FUNDAMENTALS (1968), in the section on "business" languages which necessarily involves a lot of grace hopper, apparently some of the discussions went waaaay off the rails... There must be entire planets of WHAT'S NOT BEEN SAID on the animosity and hostility towards hopper -- and an aside that I think the absolute enormity of her person and personal power STILL is not appreciated -- these mild words, it a typically dry and long technical history book, are flatly, amazing ---
       
 (DIR) Post #AxVbbMDn0BSmOYB0kK by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-08-24T22:34:05Z
       
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       @cmdrmoto @nina_kali_nina Oh yeah! Keep in mind the book is typical for it's era and subject, pretty dry, impersonal stuff. Sammet's book has a nice looseness to it, being a survey and history, but it's pretty rigorous. That sentence is pretty significant. LOOK AT THIS DAMN PHOTO!!https://img.blogs.es/anexom/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/grace-hopper.jpgIt's MASTERFUL. A black man, a (possibly/probably Indian) man, Hopper, some white kid. At a UNIVAC console so that's early 60's at the latest, probably mid/late 50s. She has immense access and influence, for a woman, hell, for a white man even.This photo is extraordinarily politically staged, and politically charged. No one comments on it. WTF!I kinda refuse to believe she wasn't a dyke. Seriously. No documented relationships. If you see video of her, she's pretty damn butch.That sentence implies multitudes. Men resented her work, it's more than leaking through here. There's worlds unexplored beneath these trivia.Jean Sammet is pretty badass too.