Post AxSix3QjfFHAgte4GW by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
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(DIR) Post #AxSix08BvjeySVwiRc by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-22T12:44:43Z
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There's a popular "digital rights" perspective that turns "not having kids on social media before 14 or 16" into a binary. That allows to make this a thing about overreach and censorship and all that. In combination with the complexities of ensuring access/restrictions it builds a great straw man.But I do totally think that just throwing kids into general social media (think Instagram, TikTok but also Bluesky or Mastodon) is harmful to them and is just us older people being lazy and not wanting to give them time to grow into this digital life.But it's not a binary. There is value in creating spaces for kids to express themselves and find community and their own voice. Question is how to build that in ways to protect them - not just from creeps but also the negative side effects of many commercial social media platforms.It's not "but Kids need to learn to live with social media so let's throw them on TikTok". It's about figuring out ways for kids (or TBH some older people as well) to make those experiences in the digital "non-swimmer's pool". (Not sure if digital swimmers exist.)
(DIR) Post #AxSix1gGAYVPGStRBY by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-22T12:51:50Z
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This would actually be a very interesting research project to build a "under 14 Fediverse" with more moderation and restrictions with servers run by organizations who do other kinds of work with youth as well.
(DIR) Post #AxSix2TBEfdZiBmVRA by ManniCalavera@openbiblio.social
2025-08-22T13:49:54Z
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@tante A 1000 times this!Where are school Instances of Mastodon or something where only school attendees are allowed? With moderators to prevent mobbing?(The flaw in your argument of course: you are differentiating (is that a word in English?). Thats too much for those involved in the "protect the children" discourse)
(DIR) Post #AxSix3QjfFHAgte4GW by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-08-23T13:12:11Z
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@ManniCalavera0 "Would be actually nice for children to have a platform that is not TikTok"1 "By a platform for children we of course mean a platform with more moderation"2 "Children obviously means school"...this escalated quickly? I think it's a horror that children today are first introduced to commercial, corporate-owned ad-driven engagement-optimizing platforms designed to fuck up dopamine systems and manipulate opinions. But more schooling? Supervision by the "adult"?@tante
(DIR) Post #AxSoZeVIlzzkRp0OWG by ManniCalavera@openbiblio.social
2025-08-23T14:15:18Z
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@nobody re school: schools are - for me - a good starting point, because they are for most children the nucleus of their social life. A school instance would have a number of members that is probably small enough to moderate, but significantly bigger than the typical class chat group. Any pupil would be free to follow teachers or not, so it does not have to be like "schooling" (if I am getting you right here). Alternatives like an instance of a local youth club or something would be great ...
(DIR) Post #AxtpcQzIpP3mcRqXmC by ManniCalavera@openbiblio.social
2025-08-23T14:19:31Z
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@nobody of course, too, but the hurdles to implement them would be even higher than at schools, which is wishful thinking as it is.re moderation: not sure if I am getting you right here, either: one thing that SoMe has taught me at least is that even adults are incapable of behaving like civilized people when certain topics are touched. So there has to be heavy moderation. I don't know how no moderation would work in a environment for kids which designed to teach them proper conduct online...
(DIR) Post #AxtpcRplgL1lFAORYO by ManniCalavera@openbiblio.social
2025-08-23T14:21:39Z
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@nobody But of course this could take many forms, like having pupil moderators, like class representatives, or something else. (addendum last post "...heavy moderation from my perspective).
(DIR) Post #AxtpcSi0QgPdxNll5s by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-09-05T15:04:10Z
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@ManniCalaveraCouldn't agree more: https://chaos.social/@afelia/115150725752948246
(DIR) Post #AxtqA8CfAtziCpAD7w by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-09-05T15:10:20Z
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@ManniCalaveraRegarding the schools, I hadn't followed up because I'd really like to have schools (as in mandatory education for children) abolished, and this is a whole separate rabbit hole of a discourse
(DIR) Post #AxtqAs6CXG9qY6UhRQ by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-09-05T15:10:29Z
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@ManniCalaveraWe need a replecement media, but whatecer it is it must be the opposite of how schools are. If a media is not a platform for these children to practice and experiment in self-governance, to learn responsibility and personal decision making earlier, it's then not worth having, it'd do more damage than good
(DIR) Post #AxtqkpHySd0YG694kq by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-09-05T15:16:58Z
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@ManniCalavera...and having schools host platforms like that we'd risk proliferating even further the cult of The Adult, and the cult of The Institutions, that they already represent, even further