Post AxS18JdDNALW8m2ef2 by praveen@social.masto.host
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 (DIR) Post #AxMv4iYTC9BglWvLcW by prav@venera.social
       2025-08-20T15:51:06Z
       
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       Our SMS OTP service is backed by Twilio and our account balance is currently running low. We need to recharge 20 USD (approx 1800 Indian rupees) balance immediately!To give you an idea, SMS expenses were 80 USD for the last year.We would like to request you to help us cover our costs by donating to us at opencollective.com/pravapp/pro…Thank you!#XMPP #FreeSoftware
       
 (DIR) Post #AxOZEre6ROGLBGuaga by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-08-21T13:04:39.075670Z
       
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       @prav Have you considered just using OTP that doesn't require proprietary software and SaaSS like TOTP?
       
 (DIR) Post #AxQV1jFmJxe1t4w2TY by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-08-22T11:26:47.015158Z
       
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       @praveen @prav None of this stuff seems to be free software.I try to visit https://opencollective.com/pravapp/projects/hosting-and-sms. and it says "Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue" - access to the site is denied without execution of proprietary software.It's a severe freedom and privacy defect for an XMPP client to require tying the account to a phone number - there are plenty of XMPP servers where you just pick a nickname and a password and there's no problems.The solution to your expenses problem is to stop immorally doing the wrong thing and remove the requirement of a phone number.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxQVl8bktsqdYPrq3E by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
       2025-08-22T11:30:01.922614Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @prav @praveen >using normie shit to try to get normies to use xmppOn one hand, good, if you can dupe normies into using xmpp that means I can yell nigger at them.On the other hand, if they ever figure it out we're in big trouble.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxRjSEbPyv359zY9Z2 by praveen@social.masto.host
       2025-08-22T22:40:00Z
       
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       @Zergling_man @Suiseiseki @prav they can switch to another xmpp client anytime and bring their prav contacts with them. No one is forced to stay on Prav if they realize later they don't need to use a phone number. Most people they talk on Prav would be already knowing their phone number if they stick to just personal circles. Even otherwise most people using WhatsApp would have shared their number already. We don't have to insist people take a huge jump in a single step.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxRjSGCK3CAA6jp8j2 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
       2025-08-23T01:43:05.067910Z
       
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       @praveen @prav @Suiseiseki Yeah but the thing about all this is that, in the end, you're flooding xmpp with normies. That jabber.network search or whatever it is already censors the absolute fuck out of every applicant so it's basically useless. The more normies you let in, the worse that problem gets - in theory, it also means more lists and maybe occasionally some of them would even be reasonable, but in practice you'll never be able to discover such lists.The *only* good thing I'll ever say about matrix is that anyone being allowed to shove rooms from other servers in your directory is really good for discoverability.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxS0OzluMdeBW0Uv5M by praveen@social.masto.host
       2025-08-22T22:26:43Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @prav Open Collective is definitely #FreeSoftware https://github.com/opencollective/opencollective/ has the source code for Open Collective service. You just chose to use librejs limitation to decide something is Free Software or not. #LibreJS only works for simple websites and it is wrong to blindly trust the output of LibreJS. Many people make this same mistake.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxS0P1Al9j7VrN8HSa by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-08-23T04:53:07.775866Z
       
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       @praveen @prav >definitely free software.>link to github, where you cannot contribute without running proprietary software>discord.>proprietary CoC that sublicenses MIT expat.This software required to access the opencollective website is proprietary; https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/vcd15cbe7772f49c399c6a5babf22c1241717689176015Arbitrarily remote executed JavaScript is always proprietary, no matter the license, as the user doesn't have the 4 freedoms over it.It's proprietary software.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxS18JdDNALW8m2ef2 by praveen@social.masto.host
       2025-08-22T22:30:35Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @prav Why do we have to insist every one has to make exactly same choices as ourselves ? Yes, tying #xmpp id to phone number has some problems, but why are we afraid of giving choices to people? Nobody is forced to use #Prav to talk to other Prav users. People who don't want to use phone number can just use another xmpp client like Mobocles Chat. xmpp and federation is about choices, not forcing our preferences on everyone.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxS18L5FyON4e2AZ0a by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-08-23T05:01:18.574168Z
       
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       @praveen @prav Having to use different software to have freedom is clearly quite telling.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxS76CSVfXAd2aPQNE by praveen@social.masto.host
       2025-08-23T04:14:12Z
       
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       @Zergling_man @Suiseiseki @prav I don't really understand what problem you are describing. Normies are more likely to be using private rooms not listed in any directory. Public rooms are mostly for Free Software communities.