Post AxDGRCG7akJoicIoeu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
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(DIR) Post #AxBeykMLpxRqcSpM36 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-15T07:37:39Z
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While I'm harping on about Matrix, does anyone know if the GNOME plan to split Fractal into two apps (team chat/ instant messenger) ever went ahead?https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/05/16/banquets-and-barbecues/GNOME announced in 2022 that they were using Matrix for their official team chat groups;https://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2022/06/02/gnome-chat-moves-to-matrix/So presumably they've put some serious effort into bringing their own Matrix apps to maturity?#Matrix #GNOME
(DIR) Post #AxBsABHPO4G2hVIX8C by Sturmflut@mastodon.social
2025-08-15T10:05:19Z
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@strypey Interesting, never heard about it. And like most commenters I don't seem to understand why all of this couldn't be UI preferences within a single application.
(DIR) Post #AxC5TvdYYTk1NhP7RI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-15T12:34:37Z
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@Sturmflut > why all of this couldn't be UI preferences within a single applicationI have a feeling that might have been the way they ended up going. Hoping someone from @gnome can fill us in.I like the idea of separate apps though. I've been operating 2 accounts, using separate apps, one for personal contacts (mainly DMs)_ and one for public interaction (mainly public and team rooms). It's good to have the option to disable one or the other, or both, or neither, depending what I'm doing.
(DIR) Post #AxCBauzzvQCN9dcK7U by cassidy@mastodon.blaede.family
2025-08-15T13:43:00Z
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@strypey @Sturmflut Fractal is a third-party app designed for GNOME, but is not a core GNOME app. You’d need to ask its developers about the specific design decisions. You can check it out on GitLab: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/fractalI believe the Fractal contributors' idea to split the designs resulted in Chatty (another third-party app designed for GNOME) handling 1:1 messages over Matrix, but I’m not sure exactly. You can check it out on GitLab: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty
(DIR) Post #AxDBzenPUzvtIcUAgy by cassidy@mastodon.blaede.family
2025-08-15T13:43:16Z
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@strypey @Sturmflut perhaps @tbernard has more up to date information?
(DIR) Post #AxDBzgGW2GoBrB6vhI by tbernard@mastodon.social
2025-08-15T14:23:26Z
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@cassidy @strypey @Sturmflut IIRC the main reason this never happened is that Matrix doesn't really support it - if you want to cover multiple use cases with different UIs you need separate accounts, and even then the fact that the other side might be using a client with a different feature set is gong to be a problem. You'd need some way for clients to declare what kind of app they are.
(DIR) Post #AxDBzh2j91NCGhfQqO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-16T01:22:12Z
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@tbernard > the main reason this never happenedThat's a shame. I cite your blog post about it often. It's a rare case of a software dev blog post that's both technically and socially insightful, worded in a way that can be read and understood by almost anyone. > using a client with a different feature set is gong to be a problemI can see why you'd think so, but I haven't found it to be a problem in practice. You are right that it doesn't really work with 1 account.@cassidy @Sturmflut
(DIR) Post #AxDG06ik4izBislx1k by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-16T02:07:11Z
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Curiously, @element seems to have pivoted their free client towards being more of a BBQ app. Presumably they offer more of a banquet version to enterprise users of their hosted service? Given the licensing of the Element apps, they could do that without publishing source code for it.#chat #Matrix #Element
(DIR) Post #AxDGRCG7akJoicIoeu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-16T02:12:06Z
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@cassidy > Fractal is a third-party app designed for GNOME, but is not a core GNOME appDoes GNOME have any core apps for instant messaging or team chat?@Sturmflut