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(DIR) Post #Awh4i6hm4uE3uLog3U by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-31T13:29:56Z
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I was reading about the "new wave of child protection laws" and suddenly the reason this issue has been nagging at me came into sharp focus. The religious right? The people who normally get worked up about online safety are NOT the ones pushing for these laws.And isn't that odd?Why are we seeing a near global wave of "online safety" laws, but nobody is lobbying for it?Or rather? Why don't I know who is lobbying for this? Why are they invisible?1/
(DIR) Post #Awh50s2YpEt3vbUCQ4 by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T13:33:18Z
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@futurebird Given the incredible shocking danger for privacy and the fact that it -- I started to say "can be," but actually *already has been* -- used for censorship, it's definitely a good question. Especially since it came from the UK which previously had the GDPR (but this basically wipes that out...)The fact that on day one it was used to censor news about Gaza I suspect that may be no small part of it.
(DIR) Post #Awh59rWy5bAaxCzqe8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-31T13:34:57Z
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I don't think this is about porn. That is just the cover story for this attempt to shut down sites that are used by young people for a whole host of "content violations"These are the same people who think "China" is manipulating twitter to make the youth left wing. 2/2
(DIR) Post #Awh5So8Sw8jbvTZN5M by phpete@mastodon.coffee
2025-07-31T13:38:20Z
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@futurebirdAt least one exists. It's also doing anti sex work stuff if I recall. Damn it! My old brain wants full text search! BRB, scrolling through ALL my history in a vain attempt to revisit a thread of a discussion.
(DIR) Post #Awh5Vnp4YXjvpBvVgG by raganwald@social.bau-ha.us
2025-07-31T13:38:52Z
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@futurebird If the internet is gated for youth, it's a small step to gating it for everyone.if the internet is gated for culturally unacceptable content—like porn—it can be gated for politically unacceptable content—like racial and economic justice—because culture and politics are indivisible.
(DIR) Post #Awh5nIuwCU7TBa10xU by donaldball@triangletoot.party
2025-07-31T13:42:02Z
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@futurebird It’s a bid by the tech oligarchy to legally crush or suborn any new competitors, backed by the surveillance sector actors who’ve invested a ton in making their user populations easily observable at scale.
(DIR) Post #Awh60wKgxxnxC9Z0uu by phpete@mastodon.coffee
2025-07-31T13:44:31Z
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@futurebirdCollective Shout!While they seem best known for lobbying against sexual violence in media, they've been listed in a bunch of articles as lobbying for all the steam & itch.io game delisting, as well as Australia's ...."YouTube ban"(are we really calling it that?)
(DIR) Post #Awh6ByhMVkMLiXQmDQ by DrorBedrack@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T13:46:30Z
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@futurebird I think this is about transphobia
(DIR) Post #Awh6FPS9UhknZ2x8a0 by richpuchalsky@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T13:47:07Z
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@futurebird Same reason why the US just budgeted a huge amount on ICE. Cops, prisons, and surveillance are what keep people controlled.
(DIR) Post #Awh6GYWtEYjM0IiQK0 by Heidentweet@todon.eu
2025-07-31T13:47:19Z
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@futurebirdYeah, it looks like another attempt at state censorship. The EU Commission also wants to scan all electronic mail from all its citizens "for the children."What I do know is that actor Kutcher and his foundation have been lobbying here in the EU.
(DIR) Post #Awh6bkvSL98YX0Jb2e by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-31T13:51:12Z
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Does anyone know if there are lobbying groups or any actors pushing this? Who are they?No one likes it but we all just assume some faceless prudes did this... but they are innocent this time.Who is excited and happy about these useless new rules?
(DIR) Post #Awh6miCcnxJvGsZOZU by waitworry@sakurajima.moe
2025-07-31T13:53:09Z
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@futurebird i remember the name attached to this was "collective shout"
(DIR) Post #Awh6rMxjCe7gqMp4yW by darkling@mstdn.social
2025-07-31T13:54:00Z
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@futurebird Age verification providers, and the personal data warehouses running them, and the government surveillance departments drinking from that firehose.
(DIR) Post #Awh6tX3MekFgieUTMe by castanea_jo@ni.hil.ist
2025-07-31T13:54:23Z
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@futurebird pretty sure it's heritage foundation as many of these things are, but as you say it is hard to track. I remember reading this last year and it seems like it is still relevant: https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/project-2025-porn-ban-lgbtq-transgender-rcna161562
(DIR) Post #Awh6wnkb24rHNEGqnI by patrickhadfield@mastodon.scot
2025-07-31T13:54:58Z
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@futurebird in the UK (where new rules came into force last week), there has been vociferous lobbying by those have children to suicide or self harm. Which is understandable. Though I doubt the new measures will work.
(DIR) Post #Awh78sSlL0dTSoggU4 by RogerBW@discordian.social
2025-07-31T13:57:08Z
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@futurebird Big commercial social media to whom the cost is trivial.Age assurance companies (i.e. data thieves).Legacy media who think that if kids are blocked they'll start watching television again.
(DIR) Post #Awh7Mgywov07uWKTUe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-31T13:59:41Z
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@RogerBW "Legacy media who think that if kids are blocked they'll start watching television again."God. it's so sad. Tiktok and twitter should be worried about kids not watching videos at all anymore and engaging in live gaming sessions, and collaborations.The biggest "show" with middleschoolers is a "let's play" competition with their favorite online personalities. THAT's where it's going.
(DIR) Post #Awh7ROOBNN5rh3NEjA by thierna@mastodon.green
2025-07-31T14:00:27Z
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@futurebird for the European Comission it was for one Ashton Kutcher who did the lobbyinghttps://www.zdf.de/video/reportagen/die-spur-224/chatkontrolle-ashton-kutcher-thorn-eu-ueberwachung-100
(DIR) Post #Awh7a5C66ygulerhDs by tuban_muzuru@ohai.social
2025-07-31T14:02:04Z
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@futurebird Of course this isn't about porn - it's a full-bore attack on freedom of speech. They just can't stand the idea of people saying things they don't agree with - even if those people have been dead for a century and more.And they say we're the ones who want to make a nanny state.
(DIR) Post #Awh7dW2Ykqcetl2aQa by gooba42@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T14:02:40Z
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@futurebird I assume this is the extension of book banning to cyberspace.
(DIR) Post #Awh8NBl6UdNtJiedOq by graydon@canada.masto.host
2025-07-31T14:10:55Z
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@futurebird The "money" part of computers is over; they're just infrastructure now, and it's policy to not fund infrastructure. (Lest funding lead to taxes.)So now there's no internal-to-the-incumbents tension between money and control; control wants enclosure, and if it advances the inventory labelling project all to the good.It's a lot more "elite consensus" than it is "special interest", in other words. Things are bad and trending worse. Lock down the ability to communicate alternatives.
(DIR) Post #Awh8hNMx2Fyt7Mz1Zg by k_leyton_cooper@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T14:14:35Z
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@futurebird ❓️ At the moment, the WEIRD 1 I saw was 🍄rump pleading that Pedos be accepted as "normal" in society!That's like begging him to keep fucking up our lives so he can be a FAUX zillionaire, instead of just a kingly murderer❗️
(DIR) Post #Awh8l6zDt6qpSxfLnc by funkula@goblin.camp
2025-07-31T14:15:14Z
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@futurebird not only that, but the methods involved, verifying with your govt ID or your actual face, directly tie your traffic to you, and I think that's the actual purpose. Everyone needs to be perfectly surveilled at all times.
(DIR) Post #Awh8nUbb2ntJIXkZWK by AMS@infosec.exchange
2025-07-31T14:15:42Z
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@futurebird it's just straight up censorship and those in power hating anonymous whistleblowers and activists. Porn-ban is just how they try to get enough support to push it through.
(DIR) Post #Awh97ZIVJDNNdrOP6u by slashdottir@mastodon.online
2025-07-31T14:19:16Z
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@futurebird No doubt they want to force everyone to identify themselves online so that if you say something they don't like - they can find you.
(DIR) Post #AwhAPaiwqNGhEUv4aW by dirtwizard666@cyberpunk.lol
2025-07-31T14:33:44Z
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@futurebird Zuckerbergs lobbyists in DC were definitely pushing for SESTA/FOSTA. They have infinite money to push anything that suppresses web content not owned by big tech. My source is weed lobbyists.
(DIR) Post #AwhBCyZEz0tFN5vYZM by FrozenPeach@beige.party
2025-07-31T14:42:42Z
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@futurebird Children must be conditioned for control.This reduces under 18s activity and thought.Teenagers are very energetic and share freely.This is dangerous to fascists. This tactic also congeals Christian support with fascists.#FascistsDupeChristians every day all dayJust my 2 cents.
(DIR) Post #AwhBb1UVlS27OCBKhU by badrihippo@fosstodon.org
2025-07-31T14:47:03Z
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@futurebird when it's actually them trying to manipulate the entire Internet to make the youth right wing? 🤨
(DIR) Post #AwhBe4Q7KXopLIZzai by eanopolsky@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T14:47:35Z
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@futurebird Authoritarian governments have always wanted this.https://mastodon.social/@mcc/114666193304977553
(DIR) Post #AwhCDBnnsNIiNBP9Fo by adrinux@social.vivaldi.net
2025-07-31T14:53:54Z
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@futurebird they aren't invisible "This was due to pressure from children’s rights groups as well as the age and identity verification software lobby, which has sought to steer the UK’s post-Brexit Internet regulation regime in the interest of the creation of a market for their products." That was written 4 years ago https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/age-verification-in-the-online-safety-bill/
(DIR) Post #AwhCke7LcbGjkOV2f2 by earthshine@masto.hackers.town
2025-07-31T14:59:59Z
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@futurebird it *is* the religious right. Or at least it's intended to pander to them. The right loves porn but they also love hating themselves for consuming it and they see it as a moral issue connected to suppressing and controlling social deviancy. Porn/sex *must* be bad to justify their crackdown on LGBTQ people etc. It establishes cause to persecute people on the basis of 'degeneracy' while giving them the authority to judge what degeneracy is. The Nazis did the same thing.
(DIR) Post #AwhCpt4lQzJNaUn4Fs by calcifer@masto.hackers.town
2025-07-31T15:00:54Z
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@futurebird @crazypedia I don’t think this is about the youth at all. If you look at what’s required to comply with these “youth protection” laws, it’s all pointing to removing anonymity online.If you wanted to push towards knowing which people have which political and social opinions, this is exactly how you’d start. If you want to suppress dissent by making sure that everyone online is strongly identified, this is how you’d start.
(DIR) Post #AwhCrhfUonF4mqpz3g by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-07-31T15:01:19Z
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1/2@futurebird I think it has been in the heritage foundation's planning documents for a long time. They have their traditonal patriarchal reasons for it, which have always been more about control than about prudishness, but prudishness is the surface cover.
(DIR) Post #AwhDPxSUcIstbb5afw by amorphophalex@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T15:07:28Z
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@futurebird The Heritage Foundation, which had a hand in Project 2025, wants to make porn illegal and then categorize lgbt people and topics as "pornographic." Collective Shout has been hounding payment processors to ban porn and it's been affecting lgbt content, survivorship stories, sex education, and a range of other things. Age verification laws usually get pushed by religious right politicians.So, basically they just want Hays Code/Comics Code Authority to make a return.
(DIR) Post #AwhFQ8COsrcgpBlwyu by btuftin@social.coop
2025-07-31T15:29:53Z
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@futurebird I think the reason you're not seeing a lot of information is twofold:1. No one in politics or media want to be against protecting children.2. The issues with these laws aren't obvious to people, as shown by the difficulty in informing voters about previous iterations.There doesn't need to be a lot of lobbying. Someone just says "hey politician, kids can find porn online, here's a bill to fix that", a new ball starts rolling, and nerds have to try again to explain how it's bad.
(DIR) Post #AwhJ3tXd6ENQoKM2qG by paulc@mstdn.social
2025-07-31T16:10:41Z
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@futurebird I think it also an attack on all online privacy. If I have to prove I'm an adult then I have to give away critical inforamtion.Also to put out of business small sites that cannot afford a 3rd party to verify members. A clever company in the UK announced that they will base who is an adult on how long they’ve been a member (anyone who is a member for over 10 years is an adult) or when they started using a credit card for payment (18 or over in GB).
(DIR) Post #AwhLTRBDMxhuHpB4BE by Bubbey@mastodon.social
2025-07-31T16:37:40Z
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@futurebird It isn't about protecting children, it's about exerting control of your populace, and forcing them to give up anonymity to interact with the wider web.Considering UK has cameras everywhere, makes you license your TV, revoked the people's right to self-defense. They have way too much control on their people's REAL lives, they want to move in on their DIGITAL lives as well.Insane to me that you can illegaly enter with no ID, but you need ID to talk about it on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AwhLamTMbNZsLsAU8e by ThreeSigma@mastodon.online
2025-07-31T16:39:04Z
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@futurebird I suspect that all the big tech companies are behind the sustained momentum. Age verification means credit card information, which they want. It means higher barrier to creating web sites, which they want. It means more complex regulation, which only big companies can afford to get right. It means more power and lock-in.
(DIR) Post #AwhLwrLZ9zmBq835Y8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-31T16:43:05Z
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@Bubbey Yeah the way that's it being implemented makes it transparent that the focus isn't kids at all. I don't know how you write a law that addresses online safety for kids, but I think it would have more to do with moderation, and responsiveness to complaints about things like bullying. But that kind of stuff is no fun is it.
(DIR) Post #AwhNJndjD1GkxP2wxk by i_give_u_worms@mastodon.cloud
2025-07-31T16:58:24Z
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@futurebird desperate power play
(DIR) Post #AwhRFv63wRt0k7hmtM by huntingdon@mstdn.social
2025-07-31T17:42:30Z
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@futurebird Plus, young people are most likely to reject the status quo, in favor of something the powers that be find abhorrent, as it rocks their lucrative boat. So, anything that surveils them more closely, and prohibits their sharing of information and opinions, is good for them.
(DIR) Post #AwhVsWjoqAiUJ1xwJc by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-07-31T18:34:18Z
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@futurebird it's never about porn. laws already exist which do what the scumbags claim they are doing.
(DIR) Post #Awhc1DSuSsgErcaDNQ by only_ohm@mas.to
2025-07-31T19:43:07Z
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@futurebird I think it might originate with the OECD publishing revised recommendations on the safety of children online in 2021. That document, read honestly, is quite sensible, and goes big on protecting human rights, access to informational content, and equity of access. But a selective reading of it by governments of an authoritarian persuasion could easily provide an excuse for the sort of legislation we're seeing.
(DIR) Post #AwhdEjcMKmCYIl0s88 by lerxst@az.social
2025-07-31T19:56:46Z
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@futurebird I don't know about the youth, but for this guy exiting middle-age and headed to senior citizenry, the best proselytizing of left wing ideas came from witnessing the avarice and perfidy of unrestrained capitalists.
(DIR) Post #AwhecOzMmdJBE5cjqK by bob@beamship.mpaq.org
2025-07-31T20:11:31Z
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@futurebird All about opening more censorship and tracking.Just like how every homeless person has now become illegal at the federal level."You must be mentally ill because you live in a tent".
(DIR) Post #Awht3oDiTppQeoIa7k by Kierkegaanks@beige.party
2025-07-31T22:54:04Z
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@futurebird Total surveillance evilness
(DIR) Post #AwiTBV8gu5aK92uoWu by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2025-08-01T05:38:45Z
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@futurebird It's surveillance tech they're pushing, and locking down freedom of expression on the Internet. Child protection is just the excuse, because they have been presented with ample evidence that children are not protected, but endangered by this (Europe, at least).It tends to be conservative politicians.
(DIR) Post #AwiXnWFDdsReOTLvA8 by jdp23@neuromatch.social
2025-08-01T06:30:30Z
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@futurebird here in the US, they’ve being pushed by anti-sexworker and anti-lgbtq+ orgs and politicians. It’s very challenging because “Big Tech is exploiting children and we need to do something” is clearly true, but the things that would actually have an impact (strong privacy laws, severe penalties under existing consumer protection laws) are politically challenging because of tech’s influence. So legislation like this has bipartisan support because it lets legislators look like they’re doing something, and big tech companies are basically okay with it (because it’s a barrier to smaller companies, and because it normalizes surveillance and collecting data “ to keep people safe”)
(DIR) Post #AwiYlHWLVuai6UrPk0 by lordsplodge@brettspiel.space
2025-08-01T06:41:18Z
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@futurebird @gnate It’s probably the big tech companies. Those who control the flow of information control the power. Corporations already control governments. So the next step is to remove any independent sources of information . So small websites, open social media (the Fediverse) & so on. Then the algorithm will control what the masses think and do. Giving unlimited power <insert Palpatine meme here> to them. It was never about porn.
(DIR) Post #AwibKr4nVhOeQC47Qu by GeePawHill@mastodon.social
2025-08-01T07:10:10Z
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@futurebird I don't know who's starting it. I know why so many people are into it.Internet strangers harming children is so very much easier to face that the actual fact, which is that every community of ~100 people contains 1-2 active sexual predators of children.
(DIR) Post #AwiliONSrYcFuAeuOm by notsoloud@expressional.social
2025-08-01T09:06:30Z
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@futurebirdBTW it's the same in EU. Look up chatcontrol.
(DIR) Post #Awj2qWtGnIABqS09WS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-01T12:18:28Z
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@adrinux OK but in terms of real people WHO is the kind of person who would be in one of these groups or support them?
(DIR) Post #Awj2vyP9vKuYcwVsW0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-01T12:19:27Z
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@phpete Who is Collective Shout? What kind of person would spend their free time as a volunteer?I smell astroturf.
(DIR) Post #Awj7Mcc1SIwMfrUae0 by phpete@mastodon.coffee
2025-08-01T13:09:03Z
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@futurebird🤷I don't know who they are any more than you can see on their "about us" page. Their open letter (https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-processors) is being referred to a lot, but based on the way they take credit for some previous so called wins, I'm hesitant to actually draw a definitive line connecting them to anything *causally*.
(DIR) Post #AwjAw4dVYSFpaRmeA4 by resl@mas.to
2025-08-01T13:49:04Z
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@futurebird Yeah, it's typical to see "protect the children" used to justify all sorts of authoritarian ploys to limit civil rightsThis article talks about this too: https://social.openrightsgroup.org/@openrightsgroup/114946848049414045
(DIR) Post #AwjBDtqUPeD5KhM7JA by resl@mas.to
2025-08-01T13:52:19Z
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@futurebird @phpete I spend my free time as a volunteer 😳 🥴 🤓 lol
(DIR) Post #AwjDMxg7jPvLjbxKXQ by RandamuMaki@mstdn.social
2025-08-01T14:16:17Z
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@futurebird @adrinux Karens.
(DIR) Post #Awjyplhm1UDYqLxw4e by H4Heights@mstdn.social
2025-08-01T23:08:11Z
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@futurebird I suspect that it’s down to Starmer’s authoritarian instincts. There’s no shortage of support from the monied donors who can afford to buy, use and abuse the information they hold over the minion-waged. Power.