Post AwgOJ7VZl5VF5JVssy by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
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(DIR) Post #Awaw7jrJeneJOpZZq4 by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T14:10:10.999690Z
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It's Summer 2025 and I'm arguing with COVID vaccine skeptics.
(DIR) Post #Awaw7kmOEbIqFqH9nc by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-07-28T14:25:30.082723Z
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@taylan I'm sure Jeff Cliff had something to say about it on the Fedifiles but I have not yet heard the recording yet
(DIR) Post #AwaxlnOk1AmLugs6qW by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-28T14:43:56.249049Z
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Even scott adams gave up the L on that one; probably time to move on.
(DIR) Post #Awaxx80FkVtv0JoymG by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T14:45:25.148517Z
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@nicholas WDYM gave up the L? Was he a vaccine skeptic but then admitted he was wrong?
(DIR) Post #AwbNzrOYYFjZAk9VKK by eriner@noauthority.social
2025-07-28T19:37:50Z
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@taylan @nicholas
(DIR) Post #AwbOXIDZqTgxuzxVWC by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T19:41:15.817960Z
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@eriner @nicholas I don't personally care much about COVID boosters but if you think not getting vaccinated at all is the better option then you're the retarded one buddy.> noauthority.socialWhy the fuck do I bother.
(DIR) Post #AwbOXJhkJnQ0Wr57BI by eriner@noauthority.social
2025-07-28T19:43:51Z
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@taylan @nicholas Why the fuck do I bother.
(DIR) Post #AwbOpNHZkpy8q1S1su by eee@poa.st
2025-07-28T19:47:07.338619Z
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@eriner @taylan @nicholas AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
(DIR) Post #AwbPR1GY3ly9YivAK8 by vic@shitpost.cloud
2025-07-28T19:53:33.370361Z
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Imagine still being such a fucking retard in 2025 that you STILL think the covid vaccines were "safe and effective."
(DIR) Post #AwbSpHsCGXqbsUnIrA by Ergo@shitposter.world
2025-07-28T20:31:57.263050Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner have you met jeff cliff
(DIR) Post #AwbYIr4sxEJzEReD1U by vic@shitpost.cloud
2025-07-28T21:29:47.511995Z
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Jeff is also a retard, but a different kind. I'm still not convinced that he's a real person, for some definition of "real." I mean, I don't think he's a bot, but there's something broken in his mind that makes him indistinguishable from one. Born without a soul maybe? I can't figure Jeff out.
(DIR) Post #AwbYIsN09MPHEv8Bto by Ergo@shitposter.world
2025-07-28T21:33:18.618974Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner yeah there is something very wrong with him, he likes to be a contrarian but not in a healthy way just in a disrespectful toxic one
(DIR) Post #AwbZ5Pvmfr7nE9XxMu by vic@shitpost.cloud
2025-07-28T21:40:18.610814Z
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There's something broken in the leftist mind that keeps it from changing with new information. Some kind of loss of plasticity, or maybe it's more related to the hippocampus and memory formation, like PTSD veterans who find themselves "stuck in time."It's like something infected Jeff (and Taylan) and not only froze their brains in the year 2020, but froze them in a completely media-compliant way. Would be interesting to see what an MRI on each looks like and compare to that of e.g. a Vietnam vet.
(DIR) Post #AwbZ5RVymlfi8hUNQO by Ergo@shitposter.world
2025-07-28T21:42:05.180788Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner they dont care about truth only about justifying their agenda and will to power, so the moment it is appropiate to "change their mind" to fit with that they will do
(DIR) Post #AwbmLhdntZM2BvETQ0 by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-29T00:10:40.380539Z
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It's especially sad because before covid that contrerianizm made him resistant to the excesses of woke. He used to be my favorite leftist follow and we had many productive common ground convos.
(DIR) Post #Awd2GkeF53DcUi3g5w by Beefki@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-29T14:43:47.755711Z
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@vicLeftists are retarded, but believe they are the smartest person in the room most of the time. They refuse to accept information that PROVES they are wrong because their ego would be damaged. This is especially true when people they believe are less intelligent than they are told them that information before they made a mistake relating to it.Their retard brain can't fathom being wrong, so they just continue pushing how right they are.@nicholas @taylan @eriner @Ergo
(DIR) Post #AwgNGYv1I6LLH1dBI0 by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:23:12.925789Z
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@taylan relatable
(DIR) Post #AwgNLMYIhFEiMrIFFY by coffi@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-07-29T02:18:22.528695Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner @Ergo >leftists>frozen in time>not conservatives or reactionariesWat?
(DIR) Post #AwgNxe9Zhi2zxdz1Iu by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:30:59.964801Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner VAERS doesn't say that vaccines aren't safe and effective. What they say is that if you allow people to shitpost about vaccines in a system, *they will lie* https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2006/03/06/the-geiers-go-dumpsterdiving-y-1/
(DIR) Post #AwgO1rxaJU8FwKO8zQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:31:45.800573Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner @Ergo Of course I was born without a soul. I live in the gingerverse, where nobody has a soul.
(DIR) Post #AwgOBqj7klMd0jNptA by eriner@noauthority.social
2025-07-31T05:33:33Z
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@jeffcliff @nicholas @taylan @vic ...QED, there is no reliable or accurate system for tracking adverse reactions in the United States where the producers of the supposed prophylactics cannot be held liable.I'm calling CVS right now.
(DIR) Post #AwgOJ7VZl5VF5JVssy by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:34:52.758981Z
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@vic @nicholas @taylan @eriner @Ergo I am not 'media-compliant'. If I was "media-compliant" i would have carried on going out shopping to concerts and to bars and engaging in BLM or whatever with the rest of the TV zombies. I came to my stance *against* the propaganda and media monopolies pressure Go find a TV, and find any TV any channel and find me *any* people wearing N95 masks. Or any commercial radio station talking about covid infection numbers. Or any newspaper talking about how terrible international travel via airplane is to the R_0. If you believed the media, you wouldn't even know that covid ever even happened
(DIR) Post #AwgOPubq7BfF6egKbA by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:36:05.801857Z
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@eriner @nicholas @taylan @vic >s of the supposed prophylactics cannot be held liable.And who's held liable for the BRAIN DAMAGING AIRBORNE DISEASE allowed to infect people in public malls, buildings and schools? Let's sort out the liability of THAT biohazard exposure first.
(DIR) Post #AwgOcaeVcqpKyXyYsq by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:38:24.023367Z
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@coffi @nicholas @taylan @eriner @vic @Ergo Exactly. I'm still learning and updating my opinions, based on the best available evidence. Which for covid in my country, the best data is the @MoriartyLab covid hazard index. Which, although this past few weeks are going well relative to the past 5 years, we are not in the clear.
(DIR) Post #AwgOkbsAyK4H4rBzge by eriner@noauthority.social
2025-07-31T05:39:50Z
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@jeffcliff @nicholas @taylan @vic Hate to tell you, but I think you were just born that way pal.
(DIR) Post #AwgP2jIE7fAnIr19hg by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:43:07.276236Z
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@eriner @nicholas @taylan @vic I was against vaccines enough to argue with vaccine nurses about not getting vaccinated for the flu in university as late as 2007, skeptical about vaccines and autism until ~2015, against privacy on principle, and use windows 98 as my main driver. I was not born this way.
(DIR) Post #AwgP5CG3P1LRiQB53g by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:43:34.406295Z
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@vic @Ergo @eriner @nicholas @taylan And that's the last of my time you're going to waste, you're finally going on mute.
(DIR) Post #AwgPGucqmixMVMQXNw by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T05:45:41.118642Z
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@Beefki @nicholas @taylan @eriner @vic @Ergo Vaers does not 'prove' me wrong. Nor does any of the other gish gallop vic has produced over the years. But do tell what other vaccines are more harmful than the harm they prevent? Chickenpox? Gardasil?? MMR???
(DIR) Post #AwgPms8Daq7i2JL3oG by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T19:54:15.651068Z
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@vic @nicholas @eriner Imagine still being so retarded you latch on to the VAERS meme in 2025.
(DIR) Post #AwgPnYeFW8hVtoeEZE by vic@shitpost.cloud
2025-07-28T21:28:25.628876Z
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Over one million VAERS reports, filed under penalty of perjury (i.e. a felony offense for lying), testifying that the covid vaccine injured the recipient.And that is a "meme" to you.Fucking retard.
(DIR) Post #AwgPnZzYWPL24BclPs by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T21:32:28.409186Z
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@vic @nicholas @eriner > filed under penalty of perjuryIt's literally an online form anyone on the planet can fill out you absolute goof.I filled it out once (from Germany), saying the vaccine turned me into Shrek. Maybe you'll find it among those over one million reports.
(DIR) Post #AwgPpDhgMNeDWI2via by vic@shitpost.cloud
2025-07-28T21:35:04.170669Z
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This may seem like a completely unrelated subject, but I am just curious, please humor me...Do you think the 2020 election was fair?
(DIR) Post #AwgPpEiQb5q2etP2WG by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T21:40:03.309342Z
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@vic @nicholas @eriner Seems like a completely normal thing to ask a German in the middle of an argument about vaccines.Plank.In fact, plonk. Another one for the mute bin.
(DIR) Post #AwgPqUeuo1NIOaMKsC by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-28T21:37:36.050113Z
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@vic @eriner @nicholas Not to mention that even if you fill it out with your personal data as a practicing doctor in the US, absolutely fucking nobody is going to come after you to figure out whether it's really true that your patient John Doe reported having a slightly enlarged left testicle three weeks after getting the vaccine.I honestly can't comprehend how utterly dumb a person must be to not understand that the count of entries in the VAERS database literally means nothing at all. How can you consider yourself well-educated on vaccines, no actually scrap that, how can you think you're educated AT ALL on vaccines and not get this.
(DIR) Post #AwgS4NwCn7s5VrCMDo by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T06:17:02.721683Z
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@jeffcliff @eriner @nicholas @taylan @vic > And who's held liable for the BRAIN DAMAGING AIRBORNE DISEASE allowed to infect people in public malls, buildings and schools? Let's sort out the liability of THAT biohazard exposure first.Well if folks like you would stfu for a minute, we might be able to hold the government liable for their illegal clandestine bioweapons research, put Fauci in jail, etc.But if you mean to imply that other citizens are liable for your hypochondria and agoraphobia, it's not like you didn't have other options (see attached image). Your phobias don't abrogate everyone else's right to informed consent and bodily autonomy.
(DIR) Post #AwgSMBRtxlbnzZVkGG by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T06:20:15.325103Z
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@toiletpaper @eriner @nicholas @taylan @vic covid is not a 'bioweapon' -- it did not come from a bioweapon lab , or a lab at all.But in countries like canada and the united states, you have a *legal responsibility* not to expose people in your business to biohazards such as covid knowingly / not taking appropriate steps to prevent such exposure. Or at least the US did have such regulations before Trump gutted the EPA. Canada still has them, although they aren't enforced.
(DIR) Post #AwgTO8XJrYsNUZXYga by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T06:31:47.847550Z
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@jeffcliff @eriner @nicholas @taylan @vic > covid is not a 'bioweapon' -- it did not come from a bioweapon lab , or a lab at all.See attached image.> And *you* don't have the right to interfere with *my* bodily integrity by infecting me with an immune system damaging virus.The vast majority of pathogens are asymptomatic, so if you think this is a legitimate *right* that you have, then good luck getting every person on the planet to live in a plastic bubble on your behalf. It's not gonna happen. In the meantime, the human species has evolved a highly developed immune system that remains many orders of magnitude more "safe and effective" than whatever snake oil big-pharma cooked up in their lab in a few weeks without testing or acceptance of liability.> And don't even pretend that you give a shit about anyone else's, covidiot.When I got covid I stayed home for 3 months, before it was even in the news, much less lockdowns or any of that crap. It was the responsible thing to do. But as to your delusional level of paranoia and cultish slavery to scientism, I very sincerely dgaf. đ
(DIR) Post #AwgVPIRci5AyQ4YaAK by bonifartius@noauthority.social
2025-07-31T06:54:25Z
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@taylan
(DIR) Post #AwgnMtXu6tLHnFV01g by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-31T10:15:41.131330Z
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@toiletpaper @nicholas @eriner @vic @jeffcliff Cmon man, if you think it slipped out of the Wuhan virology lab out of accident while they were doing gain of function research, that's one thing. But calling it a bioweapon? :blobcat-extremejoy:
(DIR) Post #Awgpn7wlOFRXtWlMsi by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T10:42:50.403950Z
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@taylan @nicholas @eriner @vic @jeffcliff >> ...hold the government liable for their illegal clandestine bioweapons research> ...calling it a bioweapon?Did I? But anyway (`argument from incredulity` aside), here's an exposé on some of the labs in question from spring of 2018.https://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/It still amazes me how naive people can be in turning a blind eye towards the military applications of this kind of research (both as weapons and as prophylactics), as well as the financial incentives in respect to the revolving door between big-pharma and the governments (including regulatory agencies), and the long and storied historical track record of misdeeds in both respects which exist on the public record. I gotta say, it must be nice to live in a fantasy world of sugar coated toppings, much less to think that gives one the moral high ground to dictate other's human rights.
(DIR) Post #Awh60IsfeDDWpx9aKG by Beefki@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-31T13:44:27.177433Z
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This nigger admits to being retarded enough to fall for a cult, thinks there was no media push/propaganda in favor of treating COVID with masks and lockdowns, and suggests that it was part of BLM.AND THINKS HE'S SMARTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE! This nigger has to be trolling right?
(DIR) Post #Awh7FF02SZMT67Hp3I by admin@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-31T13:57:50.934559Z
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@Beefki Cliffâs permanent Covid hysteria is basically a standing joke on the Fedi. He gets flamed for it by anyone and everyone on here on an almost daily basis. On the one hand, I often wonder if it isnât an elaborate gag heâs running on everybody. But on the other hand, he *is* Canadian, so itâs entirely possible that he really is that brainwashed. :shrug4:
(DIR) Post #AwhE8SNb0xJiFN18aW by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-31T15:15:32.779601Z
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My dude, and my guy. What the actual heck do you think gain of function research even is? Even if you buy the "we have to make dangerous pathogens to learn how to defeat dangerous pathogensâ" line, intentionally studying and implementing techniques to create or enhance biological agents that are dangerous to humans is a perfectly fair definition of the term 'bioweapons research'.Add to that the fact that the DoD was ecohealth alliance's top funding department by far, and you mean to tell me your theory of the case is: Sure, facts in evidence show conclusively that ecohealth was: -orchestrating secret and illegal biological research overseas-to purposefully create pathogen that are dangerous to humansâat the behest of the pentagonlying about it, and-went to extraordinary lengths to try to cover it up when they got caughtbut it was all 100% only for good!đ brother, I got a bridge to sell you https://www.usaspending.gov/search/?hash=bee6c50acc6584b6f6d0cc032d0b9a09
(DIR) Post #AwhKXpwt7ZQCJI0hZQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T16:27:26.006568Z
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@nicholas @taylan @eriner @vic @toiletpaper Covid did NOT come from gain of function research, and you're going on mute.
(DIR) Post #AwhPvCU9zobGdaX6rw by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-31T17:27:38.074955Z
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Yes, yes, jeff very high level discourse from my 'trust the science' bro: silence the heretic! đ đ
(DIR) Post #AwhQfAfj4RGuKlraZk by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T17:35:57.656958Z
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@nicholas @taylan @eriner @vic @toiletpaper You're still free to talk. I'm just not listening to you anymore. And you're not a 'heretic' -- you're repeating the BS from the most powerful people in the world.
(DIR) Post #AwhR9FG0aTqnF5Asuu by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-31T17:41:23.312472Z
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@nicholas @eriner @vic @jeffcliff @toiletpaper If you think the US would outsource the development of a fucking bioweapon to the Chinese, then I got a bridge to sell you mate.
(DIR) Post #AwhY7HYFmmDXSRigBU by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-31T18:59:26.798957Z
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Jeff cliff, "covid rationalist", 2025 colorized:
(DIR) Post #AwhaB0mEILjCV0A9tw by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-31T19:22:32.779614Z
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What specific factual claim do you believe I have made in error? -DoD was ecohealth's largest funder -ecohealth was orchestrating illicit gof research in foreign countries -gof research was illegal under us law at the time -gof aimed at human-transmissable agents is fair to label as 'bioweapons research'
(DIR) Post #AwhboU6dHf3Ci35mc4 by dsm
2025-07-31T19:40:56.552644Z
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@nicholas @taylan @eriner @vic @jeffcliff @toiletpaper Educating the fools, how fun.
(DIR) Post #AwhcZKqRXBCVb4rNC4 by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-31T19:49:23.447134Z
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@nicholas @eriner @vic @jeffcliff @toiletpaper You're talking about EcoHealth Alliance, right? Looks like they were being funded by a bunch of different US government depts, with the DoD being the biggest (probably because their budget is the largest) but the idea that the DoD would task some NGO to develop a bioweapon, which they then work on in a Chinese lab, is absurd.At most it would have been open research projects related to defense against potential bioweapons or something, and even that seems like a stretch.You could argue that the virus may have leaked out of a lab working on something arguably related to "bioweapons" in some sense (such as "defense against potential bioweapons") which is already a stretch, but you're making it sound like SARS-CoV-2 was supposed to be a bioweapon, and then leaked, which is absurd.
(DIR) Post #AwhoT4ZyINvsrWw4p6 by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-07-31T22:02:43.402162Z
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@taylan @nicholas @eriner @vic @jeffcliff If there were a "Rules of the Military" akin to the "Rules of the Internet". "Rule 34" would be "If it exists, there will be weapons of it. No exceptions."In terms of USA cooperating with China on that kind of stuff, for one thing, less regulatory hurdles and furious arm waving from NIMBYs. The argument from incredulity applies about as much to the USA funding, training and arming folks like Al-Qaeda, etc, ad nauseam. It is absurd. It's also indisputably a fact.Having access to Chinese scientists to study various infection vectors and genetic techniques may well seem like a fair trade off when they can later clandestinely export the materials and data to domestic bioweapons facilities like Fort Detrick and Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory. It's certainly not unprecedented.When it comes to this stuff, "plausible deniability" is always part of the equation, so it's 100% necessary to use some degree of speculation and logical deduction to unravel what's likely going on. For my part, I have 4 criteria: Means, Motive, Opportunity, and Historical Track Record. All 4 boxes are checked in this case, no matter whether talking about the military or the private sector organisations involved. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.