Post AwZWeM5yErVPHuMMTo by hazlin@annihilation.social
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(DIR) Post #AwZQJ2Ih3Jj68pAoM4 by hazlin@annihilation.social
2025-07-27T20:54:18.212440Z
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Literally, society is self defeating. Terrible evil has taken control of western civilization, and made every moral topic about destroying yourself. Things are getting worse, because we are being forced to fight against our selves.RT: https://annihilation.social/objects/b3021da3-fae3-4b73-9c45-7c7f084c0827
(DIR) Post #AwZRqUb4y2nzPbI3dY by kvit@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-27T21:11:32.451912Z
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@hazlin This one of the reasons I take issue with, for lack of a better term, moralfagging. The moral system we've all been born and raised in is poison designed to turn us against ourselves. Many people see this but rarely escape the first principles that created this psychological weak point. I think to actually overturn a moral system you need a people who are slightly immoral. At the very least a type of wildness and willingness to reject rules, even fundamental ones, that exist at your own expense is needed. The "moralfag" can't do that and since our system of morality is essentially a war waged against the self he spends his time doing that, just in a different form from most people. Just some ramblings of mine though.
(DIR) Post #AwZU36Ex2LpZXk4z4q by hazlin@annihilation.social
2025-07-27T21:36:14.202701Z
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@kvit I agree. And, they cannot stop even for a minute. I think the serious discussions I've seen on fedi about, if it IS really a good thing to kill the other races, and whether or not it WAS a good thing for the CEO to be assassinated. And, probably 100 other things I just haven't noticed. The house is on fire, and they are gathered in the corner comparing their moral dicks to see who is the most right and good in their morality.
(DIR) Post #AwZVf72pa9sowcgjvk by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-27T21:54:17.501184Z
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@hazlin @kvit I think for this specific niche of "moralfagging" the question is can you meet your enemy on equal footing and negotiate rules of engagement. For that you'd even need a position of strength in the first place.If no negotiation is possible, and you are not in a position of strength, your own sides' moral qualms about it being right or wrong are meaningless. It's make or break.
(DIR) Post #AwZWQEk4mT5AQcO1NA by wgiwf@poa.st
2025-07-27T22:02:50.049665Z
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@kvit @hazlin This has a lot to do with this civilization viewing that a person's highest point of enlightenment and transcendence is in thinking the correct thoughts and belonging to the perfect system.
(DIR) Post #AwZWeM5yErVPHuMMTo by hazlin@annihilation.social
2025-07-27T22:05:22.752225Z
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@WandererUber @kvit I'll do you one better, if you are not in position to intervene in a meaningful way, then the exercise is pure escapism. If only it were just escapism. But, I see that they come along and trouble others. Many a conversion has been shut down by moral shaming.The moralfag that enters your thread, and strikes a cord of condemnation in your own heart about, say your callous discourse around the CEO being assassinated. He hasn't actually helped anyone. He hasn't helped the economic situation, or dealt with the problems of a wicked ruling class. No, instead he has turned your own mind against itself. And, burdened you at no gain to himself or anyone else.
(DIR) Post #AwZX4JlPWvh3aN7fxQ by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-27T22:10:02.703927Z
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@hazlin @kvit That is very true. When you do that, the compromise one needs to make to obey the golden rule has indeed be made but since no negotiation with the enemy took place, the compromise only exists in your own head and it only limits yourself.And it turns a hated enemy into a respected opponent in the discourse, one who you give certain respects to. But he will not see it the same way since he has not taken part in the discussion (the moralfagging) that lead to this.That is what I meant with you need to negotiate in the first place (or be in a position of power) for this to make sense, otherwise it's literally just brain poison.Kvit meant more than just this issue I think
(DIR) Post #AwZXCrU22qi0Tx4HS4 by Vashna@poa.st
2025-07-27T22:11:35.575436Z
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@wgiwf @kvit @hazlin
(DIR) Post #AwZXS8Tl8cBJXLDw0G by hazlin@annihilation.social
2025-07-27T22:14:22.496974Z
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@WandererUber @kvit So true. And, if you have a broader interpretation I'd love to hear it.Escaping this pointless self defeating mentality is vital. Being a slave to unobtainable and useless moral ideals... is terrible torment.
(DIR) Post #AwZYVU3dSuudHiAHqK by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-27T22:26:09.818256Z
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@hazlin @kvit I have my personal opinions of what some things are that people believe which are rooted in "moralfagging" (and the liberal metastory thing we talked about the other day but whatever) and that I've discarded, but what kvit meant is just this mode of thinking in general.Everyone has like a model of what the world is, what winning looks like, etc.We are at a point in the fight where it's strictly necessary to question if a moralistic argument has lead to a strategy/ a talking point/ behaving a certain way, in your own model. And you need to have a certain flexibility in what you permit to go on, don't oppose, etc. even if your long term goal is it's elimination. Everyone actually involved in the power struggle does this.I don't want to give my personal examples because I think that distracts from what the broader point.
(DIR) Post #AwZaAoV6SnDWVyHg24 by hazlin@annihilation.social
2025-07-27T22:44:51.580076Z
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@WandererUber @kvit Rather than differed morality, I think it is as simple as replacing the whole set all together. Internal consistency is important. Especially when you are in a battle. That is why the gov spends so much time and money on propaganda.I think what we are dealing with here, is pure, simple, malformed morality.The systemic demonetization of vigilantes in all mainstream fiction is of particular issue."It was wrong, because he was denied his day in court, his killer must bare the blame of murder." 100% Grade A, bullshit. Right now, the "good people" have completely given the right to determine, who lives or dies, or goes to jail, etc, to evil wicked rulers. Part of Righteous morality is being able to look the evil person in the eyes and say "this one is our enemy, we must kill him."Being a good person isn't always virtue, and self sacrifice, sometimes it is terrible evil and violence towards those who have become worthy of receiving such things. Whether something is good or evil, depends on the context.
(DIR) Post #AwZbzvaDzRJdChcIAC by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-27T23:05:16.297598Z
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@hazlin @kvit Well the court system was offered as the result of a negotiation to get rid of the dual tier system of noblemen and commoners.One might like to think this was because of the newfound strength of the commoners after the French revolution (that is the liberal metanarrative after all) but it seems to only have gotten worse since people have refrained from getting out the pitchforks.That is however what I meant by let go of things if the "negotiation result" isn't even possible any longer. The legal system is doing overtime these days to prove it is utterly useless. Our opponents have no intention of letting us use a "fair third party" as an arbitrator of our conflicts.
(DIR) Post #AwZdo6PO7GBdD92LMu by laurel
2025-07-27T23:25:35.582158Z
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@kvit @hazlin Morality is codified tradition that becomes second nature after it is applied over a long period of time.It changes much the same way, by slowly altering your behavior according to a newer or older set of rules until it becomes natural.
(DIR) Post #AwZdrbGLrCtblxTguW by kvit@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-27T23:26:11.755656Z
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@WandererUber @hazlin I've been struggling to really find the right words for these ideas honestly. This idea of one sided discourse is definitely part of it. If I wanted to clarify my point I'd say it actually goes further than that though. A poisoned moral system doesn't develop in a vacuum. The moralfag has internalized a great deal of the first principles even if he rejects the results, someone like this is incapable of actually overturning a system. Our system in particular because it is designed to turn people against themselves, to make them question their own instincts, actions, and desires. The moralfag's desire to endlessly check himself and others isn't just a pretend dialogue but a form of competition against those who would actually challenge a moral system. A people unrestrained by this system and thus able to overturn it will inevitably challenge the sacred cows of the moralists. As they change things and develop their standards will probably have to be fluid in the beginning and there lies the problem for so many people. Many people would prefer too hold each other back for fear of what comes next.