Post AwMi0RdobG35weiqVE by BionicNigga@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AwMTvHvjsXir1MkkTo by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:03:32.753061Z
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This is like the tenth video about homesteading from a female where she says it's not possible.>Self-sufficiency is a farceHer argument for this:>uhm I have 18 cows and I couldn't haul all the water they drink by hand>I feed my cows supplements because I can't provide all the nutritionThe rest is emotional babbling.How the hell is it not possible to be self-sufficient with modern technology but it was when people did everything with hand tools?These girls are all talking nonsense. I bet if you had a few dudes look at the problem ground up, they'd very easily come up with a modular kit for a homestead that produces nutrition for N people plus some extras like wood and plastics. Basically NASA habs but for earth.Meanwhile this woman is helpless to give her cows water if the grid goes down? Ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #AwMU7jrrpjKn8usYcq by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:05:48.002559Z
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@WandererUber this is like that “boys vs girls on survival island” meme
(DIR) Post #AwMUE8eSbJV5kIexLU by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:06:57.296937Z
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@BionicNigga hahaha so true !
(DIR) Post #AwMUNdTrLfzhxzEJ60 by MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com
2025-07-21T15:08:41.580606Z
5 likes, 1 repeats
@WandererUber it seems like irrigation hasn't been discovered in the US.
(DIR) Post #AwMUWqJJ17pYMbgRQ8 by professionalbigot69@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:10:22.295219Z
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@WandererUber >overextends herself>gets her shit pushed inwew lad
(DIR) Post #AwMUkWIEEopsKphYTQ by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:12:43.290095Z
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@professionalbigot69 Their "homesteads" always look like they went to the Hobby Lobby but for acreage and started decorating everything. Like why would you get cows and goats and whatnot when you don't even have nutrition down. These broads all start herb gardens and there are zero calories growing. Nobody ever shows their huge potato stash.
(DIR) Post #AwMUqmMvNj8Pvksmf2 by weaf@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:13:52.933787Z
5 likes, 1 repeats
@WandererUber Yeah you absolutely can't haul water by hand for cattle if you had no plumbing but that's why you'd raise them near a flowing creek or a lake lol
(DIR) Post #AwMUz6wukQWO4ngoOe by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:15:26.755779Z
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@weaf or have one of those wind water pumps, collect rainwater, have a big tank and the damn hose pointing down a slope, or any of the million other options.
(DIR) Post #AwMV7xpS1hl2OdQ6U4 by UpADamnMountain@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:17:04.575608Z
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@WandererUber @professionalbigot69 Potatoes and onions are what we started with. In raised beds they are basically impossible to fuck up and it provides a large amount of calories for us and the chickens.
(DIR) Post #AwMV7zLkN7BZ75XPSi by professionalbigot69@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:17:04.723535Z
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@WandererUber All of the aesthetic but none of the effort.
(DIR) Post #AwMVIGXTJm3hJuvGfw by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
2025-07-21T15:18:54.567361Z
5 likes, 1 repeats
@WandererUber @professionalbigot69 never show your potato stash
(DIR) Post #AwMVMM6eYnWpkIKR8a by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:19:39.021963Z
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@wertimer he can't keep getting away with it!
(DIR) Post #AwMXfzKNA0hKnaEdLU by stoner713@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:45:35.912798Z
4 likes, 1 repeats
@WandererUber That bish is on the payroll of Big Ag. She, and many like her, are there to poison the well to keep women from wanting a more traditional life by showing that it is impossible.
(DIR) Post #AwMYEXh7tJdbERM3CC by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:51:53.143965Z
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@WandererUber i suspect most people couldn't "homestead", whatever that's supposed to meanliving off pure farm income is nearly impossible on your basic low-acreage homestead, so one or both will need a full time job(unless they work FAANG for a few years while living out of a van in a parking lot and then buy a ramshackle house and acreage in Bumtickle, Ohio, which introduces a whole new set of issues)which means all of the tasks required for keeping it up are now extra chores you do for little moneymodern tech makes this a lot more possible, but if Amazon or Wal-mart shuts down for a week you're in for a bad timeself-sufficiency is a self-evident good, but the Youtuber Class is not going to be the model for thisself-sufficiency with hand tools is the sort of hard labor not seen by man for 100 years, there's an awful lot of LARPing going on in this sphere
(DIR) Post #AwMYXrklXONaweGsC0 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T15:55:20.866954Z
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@JoshuaSlocum You know, one would assume that perhaps there would come a point where not having to pay rent in LA and grocery prices would mean it's a plus actually, but apparently using machinery to make more produce than you consume and turn a profit is only possible for huge agricultural operations. So pack it up, I guess. We'll just have to stay in the rat race forever.
(DIR) Post #AwMYlQjQne1HC37BNA by Paleface@nicecrew.digital
2025-07-21T15:56:49.933445Z
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It's called "subsistence farming" for a reason. Plenty of people still make do with it around the world, but it's a miserable life and always was.
(DIR) Post #AwMZZbXcss4vCKWBO4 by Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:06:53.867932Z
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@Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber Imagine thinking homesteading is an "off the grid" thing (the grid isn't electricity alone its trade networks and and the STATES that run them) in the white world post bronze age.
(DIR) Post #AwMZdvSwkNZm9QOEIi by grey@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:07:40.480347Z
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@WandererUber @professionalbigot69 Turnips are where it's at. But really any large amount of root vegetables is where you want to start.
(DIR) Post #AwMZwHoaOP46g5Ga1Y by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:10:58.104989Z
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum >The state, using the people's money, built roads>???>it's physically impossible to grow your own nutritionI really don't get it when normal people talk. Starting with Mr. Slocum, none of what you guys wrote is detailed enough to convince an autist like me.People in the supply chain want to earn money, so the higher the tax burden and the cost of living, the more obvious benefit there is to vertical integration. Additionally, modern technology makes it way less labor intensive than it used to be.These factors should combine to make it more achievable for someone in the right mindset to become self-sufficient in more and more areas, yet everyone seems to say it's the opposite.
(DIR) Post #AwMaRm8xgJCxiXoPmy by Griffith@radiofreegreenland.org
2025-07-21T16:16:40.773754Z
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@Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber There's a way to make it work. Often the same tool that can make something for you can make something for someone else. You can use the same tool to provide income and lower expenses. That's probably the heart of self-sufficiency. Yeah you have to trade at the beginning, but as time goes on, the amount of inflow of revenue you need to survive decreases, alongside your ability to produce said income. Then you're living very happily.
(DIR) Post #AwMaWcrJd2wSMys4Zc by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:17:34.028658Z
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@WandererUber >using machinery to make more produce than you consume and turn a profitthere's a lot of assumptions in therelike, what machinery? turn a profit how? both of these things require a largely modern infrastructure to keep ticking over: e.g. parts for your tractor, roads and bridges to get your excess production out of the sticks and into a market, money and the requisite infrastructure for money so your profit can be convertible and not measured in eggs or goats or whateverthere's a broad spectrum between "works" and "doesn't work", but pretending it's binary is what makes the internet go around
(DIR) Post #AwMai53F9OLuzZucjo by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:19:38.112785Z
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@WandererUber @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >it's physically impossible to grow your own nutritionliterally nobody said that, i don't think autism is your problem here
(DIR) Post #AwMayJy5SRZNtCFE0W by Paleface@nicecrew.digital
2025-07-21T16:21:53.537312Z
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Everyone since the dawn of agriculture dreamed of a cash crop, and those with a cash crop dreamed of a better one. Subsistence was what they were often forced into for lack of capital or reliable trade opportunities. Homesteading is muh guns individualism for farming; even if you achieve it (by putting money in it that would give you much better returns in other options) it won't save you.
(DIR) Post #AwMb517JwaXdS0kxW4 by nugger@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:23:46.161734Z
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@WandererUber @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS LIKE SHIPS PARTING IN THE NIGHTWOMAN IN OP IS A WOMAN, HAS WOMAN OPINION AND PERSPECTIVE IN THE BROADER, NON WOMANED DISCUSSION, YOU HAVE TWO SIDESTHE "HOMESTEADING IS VIABLE" SIDE SAY THAT A PERSON OR SMALL GROUP CAN EASILY CREATE A CALORIC SURPLUS ON A SMALL PLOT OF LAND WITHOUT THE USE OF INDUSTRIAL MACHINERY OR GADGETSTHE "HOMESTEADING ISN'T VIABLE" SIDE SAY THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REMAIN A FULLY FUNCTIONING MEMBER OF MODERN SOCIETY WHILE DEDICATING YOUR TIME TO HOMESTEADING, PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO TURN A PROFIT AND EARN THE MODERN MAN'S NORMAL EXPENSES.IT'S EASY TO GROW A LOT OF POTATOES WITH HAND TOOLS.IT'S DIFFICULT TO CREATE A SMALL BUSINESS THAT WILL SELL THE POTATOES AND TURN ENOUGH OF A PROFIT TO COVER THE CAR PAYMENT.HERE A WHOLE BATTERY OF DISCUSSION CAN TAKE PLACE AS TO GOVERNMENT REGULATION PUTTING UP BARRIERS, FINDING A RELIABLE CUSTOMER BASE, HOW MUCH CAN TECHNOLOGY HELP THR BOTTOM LINE, HOW NORMIE SHOULD YOU BE -- MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED A CAR PAYMENT OR SEND YOUR KIDS TO COLLEGE, ETC ETCBUT FUNDAMENTALLY THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
(DIR) Post #AwMbTDPFu8A4W0gSiu by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:28:07.448301Z
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@JoshuaSlocum I'm not talking about becoming a farmer. I only brought them up to show there must be a point where it is indeed viable.so why is it possible for a third worlder to barely produce what he eats (subsistence), a westerner to have a big farm with machines and make enough money to sustain a whole business and employ people, but impossible for someone to simply move food production "in-house"?Hundreds of millions of people did a bunch of things in-house in addition to their full-time job up until industrialization.In fact, the common narrative is that making food became so easy and so productive, that people decided to better spend their time elsewhere. It is therefore completely incomprehensible to me how rising costs of living, especially food and rent, is not leading to this happening in reverse.I know a tractor needs maintenance. A car needs maintenance too, plus insurance, and it doesn't even make food for you. My current alternative theory is that people don't do it because they are dependent and poor, not because they're richer. It is indeed possible and it would be a great boon. But because most people don't know how to do stuff, and those who do are hampered by red tape, they would get ripped off every step of the way and pay a huge premium to "get into" food production. It's marketed as a lifestyle/hobby and consequently people get fleeced.
(DIR) Post #AwMbV6RQlqQ9UdbLrE by Mamako@tsundere.love
2025-07-21T16:28:29.137013Z
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@nugger @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @WandererUber Farming sustainability is relatively easy, the issue is creating more specialized products independently. For example making cheese is a process that takes years in some cases. You can do it yourself, but would you want to wait and plan years down the line to always have a steady supply of cheese?
(DIR) Post #AwMc9pwb0of2CUbOUa by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:35:47.980543Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum I used to want a homestead, but then I realized I don’t have enough income to buy land anytime soon, and the main inflooencer I was following on YouTube got his start from getting lucky during the 2017 Bitcoin price manipulation campaign and inheriting a house from a relative which he then sold. It turns out you can’t afford to live as a peasant in this country unless you’re rich, sad!
(DIR) Post #AwMcEmmcBy5hqRIG3c by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:36:43.086625Z
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@nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum This is a very helpful breakdown. I already expected one of my various insanities to be at fault for my lack of understanding, and this was correct.>THE "HOMESTEADING ISN'T VIABLE" SIDE SAY THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REMAIN A FULLY FUNCTIONING MEMBER OF MODERN SOCIETY WHILE DEDICATING YOUR TIME TO HOMESTEADINGIt had simply not occurred to me that this was desirable at all and I thought avoiding>THE MODERN MAN'S NORMAL EXPENSES.was the entire point. I do not want to live like modern man. I hate this.(This does not mean I want to go back to being pre-industrial. I want to split off from society because I don't like it.)>HOW NORMIE SHOULD YOU BE -- MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED A CAR PAYMENT OR SEND YOUR KIDS TO COLLEGEyeah. exactly. If you want to go this route, you should always ask yourself "can't I maybe do this better myself?". Plenty of people do it with food and education and I as a fellow goober mobile enjoyer, believe transportation and automation are next! Goodbye society, enjoy your (((seatbelts)))!
(DIR) Post #AwMcHVdEPu0BWHCeOW by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:37:13.627943Z
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@nugger @WandererUber @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface we have a more or less working model to emulate, i.e. the feudal farm system, which can be significantly upgraded to take advantage of things like "not having to use a donkey for everything"any surplus one produces that can be easily transferred to a market--either physically by loading it onto a barge or train or whatever, or by-proxy by selling to a middleman who upsells--works if there is the infrastructure to do soa lot of people dream about going the homesteading route, and i support it, but i rather think most people who do so haven't really thought it outthe trick to all of it is to have a broad spectrum of goods, which means things like fruit and nut orchards, which means you should have started homesteading as much as 20 years agothat's the sort of thing i don't think these people have considerednor have they considered that certain areas grow certain things, so when everybody is growing potatoes or whatever your surplus potatoes are worthless until you can get those potatoes to an area that's potato-starvedif all you want is to feed your family, that's cool; until your family grows up and all your kids know is potato farming and you're 20 miles from the nearest eligible woman
(DIR) Post #AwMctCDr1pJ6KKIsnQ by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:43:59.206363Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface But my kids wouldn't only know potato farming. The hypothetical family would have no expenses for basic calories. That means way fewer trips to town, which has knock-on effects on transportation costs. This would free up more time, for example to be used on homeschooling, which would further free up MORE time in the kids lives to be spent around the property.They would know welding, they would know electrics and electronics, they would know how to ride big machinery, etc.I believe the entire family would be way better suited to create a business and eventually thrive financially, be resilient to crises, than the non-hypothetical(!!) family where the parents decided on a single hail mary in college and then went into a field as a terminal dependent. They have fewer expenses and a larger skill set to do things themselves.Of course this depends on the competence of the people doing it. But that's the case with everything. A lazy retard won't succeed no matter what.
(DIR) Post #AwMcvEzjgyTVVJftvE by Griffith@radiofreegreenland.org
2025-07-21T16:44:24.823150Z
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@BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber Homesteading can be thought of as a form of business focused on verticle integration. Rather than selling skills for other people full time, you build skills to maintain your own business, can cut out as much outside interaction as possible while bringing in enough money to make trade possible where necessary. An automechanic with his own shop and tools would probably make a better homesteader at first than someone who just knew farming, because he'd have revenue, knowledge, tools to make his own things, connections with suppliers, etc. Then he could branch out to carpentry, electrical work, agriculture. Over time he could make his own house out of very little from the outside world, but live very comfortably.
(DIR) Post #AwMcxya5AsxvSyyoXQ by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:44:55.082375Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >Running miniature farm is less time consuming than grocery shoppingI've got bad news for you.
(DIR) Post #AwMd4Ba3kshvWOvjSC by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:45:59.350598Z
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@Griffith @BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum >a form of business focused on verticle integrationDude, exactly! You're simply making things "in-house".
(DIR) Post #AwMdBY50VCPTKQut04 by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:47:22.247571Z
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@WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >I do not want to live like modern man. I hate this. (This does not mean I want to go back to being pre-industrial. I want to split off from society because I don't like it.)i know it's cliche, but: "he says, while on the Internet"the middle ground between "city-dwelling bugman" and "isolated farmer" requires civilizationthe most interesting conversations about homesteading have nothing to do with water mills or windmills or how much acreage-per-person is requiredthe interesting conversations are about transportation of goods, currency stability, lines of communication, etc.these are things that really benefit from the modern worldbut that's just, like, my opinion man
(DIR) Post #AwMdOobMNyhuKoNKYC by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:49:40.609001Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface You need a bunch of money for the car for the fuel for the calories. If you grow the calories yourself, you don't need to pay:-income tax on the wage from your day job-transportation upkeep-overhead for the grocery store-overhead for the farmer-2hrs a week shoppingIf you calculated this out, I'm sure a smart person can be efficient enough that the time spent working on the crops would turn out to be a higher "average wage" because overall you spend less hours a week gardening than you would working for all the shit that you need to pay to purchase the calories from the store.
(DIR) Post #AwMdawi640vAxTJKSG by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:51:53.392107Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >requires civilizationI guess I'll have to make that one "in-house" too because so far I haven't found one that I like.Jokes aside, you can use the services that benefit you and as those shrink, do more and more inside the family/community.
(DIR) Post #AwMdsGtwFOXsVD6x1M by Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:55:04.077399Z
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@Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber Americans trying to redo caveman era with led lighting when we have perfectly fine fascism that can fix all that.
(DIR) Post #AwMdyU38H7ez1DNEIq by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T16:56:12.502699Z
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@WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >This would free up more time, for example to be used on homeschooling, which would further free up MORE time in the kids lives to be spent around the property.>They would know welding, they would know electrics and electronics, they would know how to ride big machinery, etc.this reminds me of the blank-slate philosophy of the leftunless your kids are completely isolated from the rest of the world, they are going to have their own ideasit all sounds great in theory, but i've been around long enough to know it's not as cut and dried as thati mean, maybe you're a polymath that can teach all of that, but if so you should also be cognizant of the fact that the vast majority of people are not
(DIR) Post #AwMeSdD0ml5c75N0gS by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:01:37.796155Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >the vast majority of people are notI really don't care personally and also I was under the impression that this conversation was about the feasibility in principle, not mass agrarian utopist nonsense about happy peasants.>they are going to have their own ideasIf your kid would rather go back to being a wagie than own land he can do so. This has practically no bearing on the discussion, does it? Kids of business owners or wagies frequently pursue different lifestyles too. This is not an extinction-level threat. Extreme cases like the Amish, which had considerably less creature comforts than the general population, are still here a hundred years later.I do very much appreciate everything you said though and find this discussion quite interesting.
(DIR) Post #AwMf8Ucb6SSXduIaLA by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:09:13.721267Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface You are still paying for transportation upkeep, because you need a road vehicle if you live rurally.
(DIR) Post #AwMfFQewEVpXNghWgi by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:10:27.089712Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface The person who goes to the store more needs the same amount of fuel and maintenance than someone who doesn't?
(DIR) Post #AwMfWthXVcPWNNFObI by Paleface@nicecrew.digital
2025-07-21T17:13:28.199342Z
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They always think they can flee a little farther and then everything will be fine forever, ever since they left Europe to the New World.
(DIR) Post #AwMfYjP2ljLv11TEbA by Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:13:58.238732Z
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@Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber There is nowhere to run anymore
(DIR) Post #AwMg5RTmQg8wyzHeXQ by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:19:52.928524Z
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@WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface the question about feasibility even relies on the broader questionsutopist nonsense or not, cheap and effective family formation is fundamental, especially if you throw in the added complexity of whites being overwhelmingly outnumbered by non-whiteskids don't have to choose between being a homesteader or a wagie, and i reject this false dichotomybut if your homesteading dreams lose a significant number of workers to, say, medical school, that is an extinction-level event for your homesteadand, let's not forget to note, the Amish still live with other Amish in an Amish community where different people specialize in different things
(DIR) Post #AwMg8Ah5IGCbnBoAEq by mothersmurfer@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:20:02.476558Z
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@WandererUber When the solar flare ends electrical civilization billions will starve.
(DIR) Post #AwMg8BitT1FAz5f7hI by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:20:18.911791Z
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@mothersmurfer finally some good news!
(DIR) Post #AwMgTOT5HCwoarNZ7g by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:24:09.032119Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface keep in mind that I never said "don't ever interact with anyone or buy anything" but I do get what you mean.>if your homesteading dreams lose a significant number of workers to, say, medical schoolI believe with adverse admissions etc. it will be beneficial to move the medical system in-house as well (I am aware that this will expand into a community by necessity, but you will still have the structural advantage of committing tax fraud on a massive scale) for both the aspiring doctor and the homestead.Losing workers would not be as much of a disaster for a community of mostly self-sufficient people than it is for modern day towns where one person only knows one thing. If nobody in your town knows how to make copper pipe, you are dependent on external monopolies and pay more.
(DIR) Post #AwMh5VrEFdJYW1qiK8 by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:31:03.774146Z
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber That’s the problem with the modern homesteading larp is the way it isolates people, taking up all their time and resources that they could have spent more productively elsewhere because they reject division of labor and everyone lives too far away so they have massive duplication of effort. Then they end up turning into these terminally-online weirdos still reposting 2020 era Bill Gates memes on X while their kids watch Skibidi Toilet, because that’s the closest thing they have to regular social interaction. Where I live my church barely has a functioning choir because of this meme, but it’s celebrated as some great success of traditional Catholicism that so many of us live it even though there’s nothing inherently traditional or Catholic about it.
(DIR) Post #AwMhJlJnZ5pYWL0Uwi by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:33:38.338102Z
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber Of course if they wanted to recreate something akin to medieval villages with modern tech would at least sort of make sense although I’m not a fan of ghettos, but Catholic tradition in the US is a fringe counter-cultural movement that tends to attract broken-minded weirdos who can barely organize a pot luck. Can you tell I’m blackpilled?
(DIR) Post #AwMi0RdobG35weiqVE by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:41:20.564950Z
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber I honestly can’t blame Judge Dread for hating us.
(DIR) Post #AwMiQl0vCAdxYd4pSS by PaulCrawford@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:46:04.316139Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface I used to live in Ohio, and would visit Amish country yearly.There is definitely is a community reliance, and maybe not in the past, but now they do have a lot of income through tourism.You’ve got your farmers.But also have a good chunk that derive income through carpentry/cabinet making, and others through furniture making sales/stores.Several Amish restaurants, and gift shops that sell trinkets.Was even people giving buggy rides to tourists for income.And a big alliance that they have had from way back was with the Swiss.The Swiss founded cheese making businesses in the area (Heini’s was the one we would go to).The Amish would sell their milk to the Swiss cheese makers.And now is especially mutually beneficial now as the Amish don’t pasteurize their milk, but they can sell it raw to be used in cheese without issue.And I know Owen Benjamin isn’t necessarily liked by many around here, but I’ll watch him occasionally.He will freely admit that what he does with his homesteading would not be economically feasible for him if he wouldn’t have had his comedy/Hollywood money to buy his homestead debt free; and continual income from his live-streaming.He’s got acreage, cows, goats, chickens, greenhouses.They eat a lot of what they produce and do a farm stand with vegetables, cheese and butter.Not saying it can’t be done, but as has been said, without that previous/other income it would be a much more trying lifestyle.
(DIR) Post #AwMiWWIeoXxBf17XAO by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:47:11.175802Z
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@WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface the topic of medicine is way, way out of scope as it's so complicated, but i will note that modern medicine is a lot more than the terminally online bugaboos of untested gene-therapy vaccines and over-prescription of SSRIs>If nobody in your town knows how to make copper pipe, you are dependent on external monopolies and pay more.this is the sort of thing i'm talking abouti can look up in wikipedia how to make copper pipe; the knowledge itself isn't that esotericthe web of technologies required to spit out a copper pipe, however, is vast, complicated, and beyond the ken of a modest size community of self-sufficient peoplehell, just getting copper in sufficient quantities to make pipe is extremely non-trivialbut assume a magic renewable resource of recycled copper and you still have the problem of the fine machining necessary to produce evenly sized pipe
(DIR) Post #AwMirPQvXV2ERfwvLc by petra@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:50:54.236275Z
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@BionicNigga @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber He's been around a long long time ...
(DIR) Post #AwMj2e1VdNqesgPxzs by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T17:52:59.491772Z
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@PaulCrawford @WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface not to knock on the Amish, but they are parasiticalnot to the extreme that fat negroes are, but they still arethey rely on western innovation indirectly, as they aren't adverse to using hand tools (that they didn't invent); and they rely directly on the masses of Americans that don't let Canada roll down and conquer them(the genocidal desires of Canadians are well known, they want the utter eradication of all peoples who refuse to use zippers)
(DIR) Post #AwMjtdyyW6Iy6OVLG4 by James_Dixon@poa.st
2025-07-21T18:02:30.501155Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @PaulCrawford @WandererUber @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface > not to knock on the Amish, but they are parasiticalAll pacifists are. They are dependent on a non-pacifist society to protect them.
(DIR) Post #AwMkR76VGUFtycz9Zg by LatigoMorgan@poa.st
2025-07-21T18:08:35.260532Z
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@BionicNigga @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber There's an effort to create something for Whites in Arkansas. The jews are already big mad that they can't be a part of it.
(DIR) Post #AwMkW2T3vgWh2usya8 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T18:09:27.920693Z
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@LatigoMorgan @BionicNigga @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum I think I saw that. Their biggest mistake was announcing it publicly
(DIR) Post #AwMkkwADeKThq3AyUi by LatigoMorgan@poa.st
2025-07-21T18:12:09.657617Z
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@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum Maybe it'll work out for them. The pendulum is swinging our way for a change, so it may just fly if the guy can keep the grifters out, who always find a way to sabotage such intentional communities.
(DIR) Post #AwMtcEG5u4emwJqXoG by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T19:51:28.403707Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface You cannot live without money, so the rural self-sustaining worker still needs to work a job.>Work from homeMostly fake jobs that will disappear [when we win].
(DIR) Post #AwMtj4pBNSephvWYMq by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T19:52:40.589301Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >doesn't even acknowledge that I annihilated his prior argumentmasterful as always, Jens
(DIR) Post #AwMtmzztGcbptVP2IK by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T19:53:25.153593Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface Fuel is a fraction of a vehicle's expense, especially if it is an electric vehicle and you produce your own electricity.
(DIR) Post #AwMtqR4B55bEiU2y36 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T19:54:00.125594Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >you produce your own electricitySelf-sufficiency does seem to be the answer for ever more things, yes
(DIR) Post #AwMulJUfuNsljjYusi by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:04:19.204916Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface not sure i'd count hand-waving as "annihilation"but since you're stuck on this, why don't you go figure out how much acreage you need for a family of four to be self-sustainingthen do a rough calculation on the work required to keep that acreage productive for every seasonif you use AI to get these numbers i will reach through the Internet and wipe a snot in your hair
(DIR) Post #AwMxX2KtChJeKZrwIq by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:35:19.289619Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface Sure. Including citrus and exotics like Avocado, or just calories? The latter:About 750 square meters (.2 acres) [1] and 10 hours per month [2] per person. Depending on climate of course. If you were in a location with year-round growing season, this would be lower. In harsher climates it would be higher without using greenhouses.An additional acre is enough for a cow[3], producing about 2-4 gallons per day [4]. Time spent is more of an estimate, but I reckon 2 hours per week sounds about right if you had a milking machine, [5] excluding barn setup etc.A straight up sum would be 40 hours per month and a 2 acre property, if you want the cow. I reckon that economies of scale could probably get this down lower by using higher-yield crops like potatoes and motorizing more parts of the process. For instance, tilling would not take 4x as long for 4x the plot size. The 2 gallons of cows milk is excess nutrition of 4.8kcal per day, meaning you would technically only need half the plot for farming. Citrus and other tropicals would probably not add that much more in acreage since you would not plant them for volume. So a small-ish greenhouse would suffice. Let's say .1 acre if you really went ham with it. Plucking the fruit probably takes a few hours, but it's not orders of magnitude worse than the rest so I think it's reasonable to handwave this additional time. It's up to the homesteader if he wants to do tropicals himself or buy them.I believe this all backs up my initial point that this is definitely possible to do and the family would have plenty of time left over for either a day job or other business endeavors.Sources:[1]"Individual nutritional self-sufficiency: a viable option inthe present era" Pelman, Nachtomy et al.https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/sustainable-food-...[1]"A life-cycle approach highlights the nutritional and environmental superiority of agroecology over conventional farming: A case study of a Mediterranean farm" Pelman, De Vries et al.https://www.academia.edu/120559305/Pelman_et_al_2024_A...[2] Pelman gives a figure of 8 hours in interviews, including this walkthrough guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6RuFqvOns[3] https://fromscratchfarmstead.com/how-many-cows-per-acre/[4] https://acreagelife.com/hobby-farming/miniature-jersey...[5] I am a city slicker so I could be wrong. But you could also have a goat instead which would reduce the hours and the acreage requirement.
(DIR) Post #AwMxkK2yfKav1dpGme by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:37:43.457600Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface I didn't hand-wave anything by the way, I pointed out the lower costs for the family if they had to do fewer trips and this would free up time and money. This is correct. I didn't even price in any knock on effects like downscaling your transportation. Maybe you don't need two cars? Maybe one can be electric or smaller? Maybe you can live further from town, saving on property price and taxes, and so forth.
(DIR) Post #AwMxmd8aet3IoSYGsy by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:38:09.258761Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >2 hours per week sounds about right if you had a milking machineBruh. A cow is milked twice per day, and it takes at least 15 minutes to pick up the milking machine, get to the cow, have the cow be milked and go back with the machine and the gallons of milk. That's at minimum 30 minutes per day, just for the cow.
(DIR) Post #AwMxxTAc3bxd5KfNKq by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:40:06.000304Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface You don't have to milk every day. And as I'm sure you know I noted that I might be off by a bit, but not an order of magnitude. And of course you would ignore that this would give you 2 additional peoples worth of nutrition for the LOW estimate of 2 instead of 4 gallons.Another day, another Jens L
(DIR) Post #AwMxyCBufcjsiOcY6q by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:40:15.718901Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface It might free up money, but time is doubtful. Fields also have to be weeded constantly, if you are not using herbicides.
(DIR) Post #AwMy0fZGQ5KMP7irFQ by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:40:40.251051Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface I didn't know you could read two papers that fast. Where in them does it say that?
(DIR) Post #AwMy1aR4zBeImFKcu8 by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:40:52.558120Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >You don't have to milk every dayYou do, actually. Or your cow would either stop producing milk, or would at least have a very bad time.
(DIR) Post #AwMy5AkwP7ReI8KcgS by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:41:31.085950Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface It's common knowledge, no?
(DIR) Post #AwMy86eW7MRoQuj3wG by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:42:01.456951Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface https://cheesefromscratch.com/how-to-set-up-calf-shari...
(DIR) Post #AwMyF1uI9yyDk4PDaS by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:42:40.675533Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface It's common knowledge that public school and getting into debt for cars is good, too. So either you back your nonsense up of you stop trolling me old bean
(DIR) Post #AwMyFRm1zJoLxyjzJw by Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:43:22.807086Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface Bro, I don't need school to tell me that weeds grow where you do not want them to, and they need to be weeded.
(DIR) Post #AwMyU0AgtXUOhfDPzE by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:45:58.884872Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @JoshuaSlocum @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface I was mocking you for not looking into the paper for a reason. The plot is tilled beforehand and this kills the weeds. The losses due to no herbicides and pesticides are already included in the calculations but if you want I can further improve the estimate by assuming that the family doesn't mind using them. I think it's around 10-20% more efficient for yield, but I'd have to check.
(DIR) Post #AwMzLyt1t75gM7h4dc by wgiwf@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:55:45.463317Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber Something I have never heard from the homesteading larp crowd is how they will handle inheritance. Assuming they somehow find a way to make it work for their family for decades, what is the plan for turning over the property for the next generation in a world with low infant mortality? If they don't come up with something, they're going to have ever smaller plots of land being handed off to ever increasing heirs, an economically unsustainable situation. All this talk also forgets the historical reality of migration from the countryside to cities and towns for this reason. So in essence they are idealizing a transitional state only ever occupied by a portion of the rural population at a time. Also the whole thing stinks of radical individualism trying to claim a reactionary praxis.
(DIR) Post #AwMzXwzOlf4JwkNda4 by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:57:55.704033Z
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@wgiwf @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber Historically this was handled by giving all the property to the eldest son and the other sons have to make their own way
(DIR) Post #AwMzgnT7XCSJ1cV6zQ by wgiwf@poa.st
2025-07-21T20:59:31.415290Z
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@Griffith @BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber What you are describing isn't really homesteading in the traditional (larp) sense of the word but the creation of a domestic independent household economy. 40 acres and a mule are not a necessary component to this. You could even do this in an urban environment.
(DIR) Post #AwMznffavdYUrfc5Zo by wgiwf@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:00:46.014434Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber I can't imagine such practices would sit well with the modern "leave society and go out into the countryside" crowd.
(DIR) Post #AwMzrnAF0UaPGYufFQ by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:01:30.836009Z
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@wgiwf @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber They're all fags
(DIR) Post #AwMztCBfSQQBABFX3A by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:01:44.180146Z
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@wgiwf @JoshuaSlocum I can only speculate what they would say because I don't consider myself part of that crowd. Remember the thread was initially about whether or not it's possible.My personal conjecture would be, since I have been at it the whole thread with explanations that I believe this would not lead to your family having less money, but more, that it's well possible to simply buy more land by the time your children are adults. The Arkopia fella recently talked about this I believe. He said that it was important for him to buy a property large enough so his kids could build on it as well.Of course, one could stretch this example into infinity with more and more generations of descendants, but I feel that's a bit silly, especially considering the fact that birth rates are sub replacement right now, as they should be. Our countries are simply too crowded already.And if this became an issue, where land is insanely more expensive than other possessions, you could just as well decide on a successor and give the rest of your sons something other than your land. I don't think this is as big of an issue honestly.
(DIR) Post #AwN03lK9frOr2BG3iS by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:03:38.794709Z
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@wgiwf @Griffith @BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum The big lie of homesteading is the title of the video. The specific claim is that self-sufficiency is a farce. This is incorrect.
(DIR) Post #AwN0UYDAXDkUBVlQvo by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:08:31.108687Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface very interestingthe common calculation that i've seen is 1-2 acres per person, and this lines up with thati don't think the 40 hours a month is at all reasonable; my grandmother was largely self-sufficient, and she spent at least 2-3 hours a day in her garden alone(and for what it's worth, she also milked the cow every day; i have no idea if you can get away with every other day, but i think she's likely to have the right end of this stick)but i have to point out that even at 90 hours a month, what you end up with here is a steady diet of wheat, olives, fava beans and assorted vegetablesyou will not get bitches with wheat, olives, fava beans and assorted vegetablesand even if you do get bitches with wheat, olives, fava beans and assorted vegetables and you have kids, they will murder you in your sleep as soon as they find out Doritos existnow do the same calculation, but with a violent thunderstorm in late spring that hammers your crop with hail
(DIR) Post #AwN1FrJHLQND1oBE9o by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:17:01.597427Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface 2 Acres using these calculations supply 6 adults technically, 4 with surplus if we're being reasonable.My figure is 10 hours a month to get basic nutrition. 20 hours is double that and would help a lot more probably. Even if we ignore the proof in favor of "Source? My grandma did it like that", just the wife alone working 3 hours per day is minuscule. A lot of people work 10 hour days. So even your figures back up my point that it is definitely possible to be self-sufficient "on the side" and you could easily run your own business(es) on top of that.>you will not get bitches >now do the same calculation, but with a violent thunderstorm in late spring that hammers your crop with hailNo. I think all the additional caveats are getting a bit silly at this point.It wasn't about "getting bitches" before you injected this. And I don't agree that that would be an interesting discussion at all.
(DIR) Post #AwN1mVpAFUVJwofGrI by wgiwf@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:22:58.078874Z
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@WandererUber @Griffith @BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum Atomized self-sufficiency is a farce. Self-sufficiency is a communal effort: family and larger local community. While it may be technically possible to be "economically" self-sufficient within one household any sort of living beyond meager survival requires cooperation with others. I have a feeling many go into this expecting just to be able by themselves to eek out a living and forgo attempting becoming neighbors with those around them and actually have a chance of succeeding with the help of others.
(DIR) Post #AwN20ipIhh5WKMVJsu by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:25:30.296501Z
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@wgiwf @Griffith @BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum Yes that was basically my intention with the OP, to show how silly this is. She's acting like having a family and a community is some sort of secret, when only idiots like her ever pretended to do everything by themselves. And then she turned it into a claim that it is completely impossible to have a few cows without the electric grid. Very stupid.Of course it's possible. Of course you want to get along with your neighbors. The problem is most people today have zero neighbors and instead of doing everything themselves (bad) they do nothing themselves and are a slave that constantly gets ripped off for everything (worse)
(DIR) Post #AwN2Nj0GDF9vXIbCwi by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:29:41.493329Z
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@WandererUber >woman>self-sufficiency I think I found the problem
(DIR) Post #AwN2rdPBaeiArUWICG by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:35:06.199266Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >No. I think all the additional caveats are getting a bit silly at this point. It wasn't about "getting bitches" before you injected this. no, it was always about getting bitchesyou have been trying to narrow this down to a specific point, whereas what i have been trying to point out is that is a ridiculous metric prone to unknown unknowns and greatly impacting quality of lifeyou can do the exact same calculation with $4 Soylent meal replacement shakes and how many hours you need to work at Chili's to keep living, and i will continue to say that eating nothing but Solyent shakes will garner you zero bitches(i'm dead serious about your kids smothering you with a pillow if they find out that Doritos exist after 10 years of eating wheat, olives, fava beans and assorted vegetables)
(DIR) Post #AwN2sy8jz5sFSWSpaS by wgiwf@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:35:20.402954Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum >but I feel that's a bit silly, especially considering the fact that birth rates are sub replacement right now, as they should be. Our countries are simply too crowded already.A bit of an aside but I to an extent agree with this (although I'd argue for an about replacement value). It's kind of a given among the crowd here that high birthrates are an unambiguous good (although I would never argue for any sort of anti-natal behavior) but the realtime adaption of the population to to it changing environment, resources, and medicine, etc. shows that Whites and NE asians are far more developed in comparison to the brown hordes who continue to breed at high levels while dependent on outside powers to keep them from starving to death. None of the birth rate "issues" would really be all that problematic if we didn't live in a global society fixated upon growth at all costs and therefore importation of labor for said "growth". Birth rates are always variable.
(DIR) Post #AwN345I7jhlsp99YMy by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:37:19.421487Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface They have to do _a lot more_ trips over much greater distances than your average urban bugman if the kids want to see their friends live an hour away on the opposite side of town, or at least that’s how it works where I live.
(DIR) Post #AwN3jLs300QS7JdMVE by wingedhussar@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:44:46.129751Z
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@WandererUber The difference is in 1500 if you had 18 head of cattle you probably also had 8 sons to help the farm. You also had nothing to do but take care of your homestead. These people wanna "homestead" and also spend 3 hours binge watching Netflix
(DIR) Post #AwN3rJhUx3VtheUue0 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:46:12.934979Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface You're kinda inserting a bunch of shit I haven't said and I think that's a bit silly. There's a lot of women dreaming of a more quiet rural life and I don't need to back this up. But feel free to twist what I am saying into being an undesirable subsistence farmer with no roof over your head or whatever. And the weird "no Doritos" thing came straight out of your head too. I think that's understandable with how weird this whole "homestead scene" is, wgiwf did the same thing and assume I agree with those people or think like them, when I don't. >you can do the exact same calculation with $4 Soylent I only did the calculations because you asked me to in the first place and at this point it is a bit ridiculous that I'm supposed to rigorously cover for every eventuality with hard numbers just to prove that it's *still* possible to do things humans have done for millennia, even though technology has gotten *better*, which is a ridiculous thing to have to prove in the first place. And also I'm supposed to accept your just-so non-arguments at face value too. Like yeah if you are a guy who has nothing to offer and can't do anything but subsistence farm, you're not exactly a dreamboat. But I've been proving the whole thread that this is not what would happen simply because you grew your own food.>ridiculous metric prone to unknown unknowns It's absolutely unreasonable to assume that a person who wants to make their own food would have neither emergency funds, a stockpile of food, or any other means to eat in case of an emergency like a storm. Especially since you brought up your own damn grandma and she would probably smack you over the head if you insinuated she wasn't prepared for bad times.And especially especially when what I am actually saying (instead of whatever you think I am) is compared with the baseline of people with a huge mortgage for an overpriced house without a garden, two financed cars and jobs that could go away any moment.
(DIR) Post #AwN3yRXsBQRW3nOT0S by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:47:30.578706Z
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@JoshuaSlocum Good discussion still though, appreciate you man
(DIR) Post #AwN49onA5qZTLMy8DQ by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:49:33.916464Z
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@BionicNigga @JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface Man, u niggas do NOT know 'bout ceteris paribus up in this bitch
(DIR) Post #AwN4RKfEqXW17Hc8dk by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:52:43.789503Z
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@wgiwf @JoshuaSlocum Yes, that was what I was getting at. Of course the birth rates go down when everything is expensive and crowded. And if the Jews didn't constantly meddle with everything to save "muh GDP" it would only shake out bad investments. "What's that, your entire retirement plan depends on line go up forever? Looks like you're penniless, boomer."
(DIR) Post #AwN4ne2nTN79aqGyrw by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T21:56:45.736674Z
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@WandererUber @JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface But I did grow my own breakfast.
(DIR) Post #AwN6Zt9WhcjcJ0zMnI by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:16:42.846623Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface the argument has wandered around a lot, but your last point was that it was possible to have self-sufficient nutrition, which i'm not arguing with(you also seemed to imply that making copper pipe was something a group of motivated men could do ex nihilo, but you dropped that; and since your autism probably needs it clarified, "death for no Doritos" is a joke)my original poast was that youtubers larping as homesteaders were ridiculous, which seems to be a point on which we fully agreei don't think we have any idea how many women are pining for a quiet rural life, because the number who are actually living that life is so low to be a rounding error from zero and the rest only know what they've seen on youtube, which is largely nonsense where it's not actual lies to sell books or homeopathic seeds or whateverself-sufficiency is a self-evident good; on this we also agreei disagree on separating from society, however, because once you lose the civilization the society brings with, you lose things that a lot of people take for grantedfolks seem to have completely forgotten the supply chain collapse from Covid/Evergreen's fat ass stuck in the Suez/etc., so i don't have a lot of hope that my retard shitpoasting is going to change many minds on this
(DIR) Post #AwN75kam492b1RvVxo by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:22:28.066956Z
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@WandererUber it's a very important topic that is also extremely dull, which is my favorite thing everand which also attracts zero bitches
(DIR) Post #AwN7nwf6YGZ5CL1f7Y by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:30:25.154326Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface Despite my severe mental impairment, I did understand that it was hyperbole. But I wanted to stress that it was never implied that you would force your kids to eat gruel every day. You can have nice meals with real ingredients (source: everyone who has enough money does this)>making copper pipe was something a group of motivated men could do ex nihilo, but you dropped thatI didn't drop that, I focused this branch on calories because you asked me to do a calculation (I thought you implied it was very hard).The pipe thing feeds into whether or not one should separate from society. The point is to do yourself what society is not providing at adequate price. I said pipe because everyone takes that for granted. >folks seem to have completely forgotten the supply chain collapse Not me. It informs my thoughts about "separating". Separate where it no longer makes sense. Public school made sense once. Buying eggs made sense once. One day, buying tools will not make sense. Cars. Windows. Lumber. No matter if it's actually a supply issue or price gouging because nobody knows how to do anything.>my original poast was that youtubers larping as homesteaders were ridiculousYes and this whole thread has massively helped me to sort my thoughts on why. They first get into some ridiculous dead end because they have entirely unrealistic expectations and lack the capacity for logical thinking, and then they claim it wasn't possible in the first place. Where I was a bit unsure when this thread started, I am 100% certain now that it would in fact be very possible, and I am strengthened in my belief about "vertical integration for the family" for more and more things. Because when I looked it up it turned out even easier than I expected.
(DIR) Post #AwN7wLVY3jUQZZYt3g by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:31:56.519483Z
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@JoshuaSlocum >important topic that is also extremely dull, which is my favorite thing everYou must be Racist_Columbo's alt account because you are literally me
(DIR) Post #AwN8JcuFXRebC3DUOm by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:36:09.216285Z
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber On the bright side I remembered that most of our homesteading families have coalesced into two different groups that help each other out but you don’t really see them around, one group is mostly related but they’re kind of insular and don’t really stay after church, and the other all go to a church that’s two hours away now because ours is kind of lame and they’re actually building their own church now, so good for them honestly.Like I’m never going to begrudge anyone for having their own property where they can do whatever they want, that’s something I wish I had, it’s just that some people are really autistic about it and trade having a society that wants to trans your kids for having no society at all and thinking this is an ideal state you have to aspire to or else you’re not a “real” tradcath.
(DIR) Post #AwN8TNOc3mpNz84Ga8 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:37:54.926717Z
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@BionicNigga @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum you have alluded to your lifestyle quite a lot in this thread. have you or would you elaborate on this anywhere? Not sure I understand your arrangement.
(DIR) Post #AwN9fbkMd6edvFdcP2 by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:51:21.849080Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface yeah, i'm not sold on vertical integration as i understand you mean it, which is exactly what we have now, just with libertarianism or anarcho-syndicalism or something, where we have a thousand boutique car builders around the nation(the Brits had that within living memory, and they made a lot of very interesting, some very beautiful cars that were incredible heaps of junk)to my engineer mind, fixing what's broken is almost always better than demoing the whole thing and re-building it from scratch; which is not to say that's not an option, but it almost never should be the first optionbut let's play with the idea of more homestead farms producing more of the nation's caloric intake, taking as a given that it's not the *sole* sourcethe most useful filagree on this idea would be cheap, rapid transport of excess production within the countrythis means primarily rail and inland waterways, with last-mile being served by smaller trucksis this necessary? no, but it would be pretty damn usefulyou can't vertically integrate this sort of thing within families, no matter how many subscriptions to 'Reason' magazine you haveso if this is something you want to do, it makes a lot more sense to, you know, use the ones we already have and build more from those
(DIR) Post #AwNALwfrDFmKzQiaJs by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-21T22:59:00.079820Z
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@WandererUber it helps that i'm having a very slow mondayi usually stay out of long-winded back-and-forthsrailgunning bon mots and non-sequiturs is more my jam
(DIR) Post #AwNB32L020kZ0VVem8 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-21T23:06:46.323499Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface I guess I do lean libertarian, but while Reason the magazine is passable, reason the concept is really not my style."Common sense will not accomplish great things. Simply become insane and desperate."I'm afraid I don't follow the connection you're making here.When I'm thinking of vertical integration in this context, I am thinking of making internally things that society no longer provides at a decent price point/quality.I am not saying it's a wise investment to make cars from scratch in your barn. If we take a look at the stats we will see that more and more people are getting priced out of the decent car market. If you can get a car to run longer, it's either because you know one of the few decent mechanics who won't fleece you or you can fix it yourself. THAT'S what I mean!Or think about the extra costs you incur today just because you let contractors build your house. All those Mexican wood joints won't last that long, you know. The more you know how to do yourself, the better you will be off in a low-trust economy.And with regards to intentionally demoing. It's the way she goes. The open market is already crumbling away under our asses whether we want it or not. One wouldn't be rejecting a perfectly working concept, one would be building replacements ahead of time. And this will also be part of the forces that fix it, I believe:We had a thread yesterday about things made in China and concluded cost of living is a major factor why manufacturing in the West is almost impossible. If I am right, which I am (lol), then what I propose will lower cost of living and in turn the market forces will have a chance to equilibrate to a healthy balance between working for yourself and working for trade.I don't get the rail part. You're saying you can't make rail just for your own family? I guess that's true, but again, I'm not saying to completely isolate from everyone and live as hermits. In fact the opposite is the case. The skills a community like this will acquire will make other people want to be around them more.
(DIR) Post #AwNDnUWPm9CZeE7zm4 by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2025-07-21T23:37:34.348263Z
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@WandererUber @weaf Guys can't solve these issues either because the argument of whether to use an aqueduct or Archemedes Screw would be endless.
(DIR) Post #AwNEAZ4Z1QCOQF6SXI by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T23:41:44.267516Z
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@WandererUber @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum What is it you want to know more about? I can’t live it personally because I don’t have the money to buy land, but basically there’s this notion among traditional Catholics (which I’m told is mainly a US thing and doesn’t really exist among our European counterparts) that the world and modern living are evil and we need to reject them and go back to the land as the Good Lord intended. The church is in town because it just makes sense to have churches in population centers (though it’s the ugliest I’ve been in), but there’s a lot of rural area around here so a lot of our homesteading parishioners are clustered in these two main areas outside of town. There’s a fair amount of people who live within the town itself, and about half of them actually stay and socialize after Mass, while the clan who homesteads on the East side of town tend to leave right after. The western homesteaders are friends with the easterners, but have had a sort of falling out with the church leadership and are rebuilding a church closer to them which they hope will be staffed by a priest from a different tradcath splinter group (problem is they don’t have many to spare). I wouldn’t describe either group as an “intentional community” since most of them aren’t next-door neighbors or anything like that, (the only place like that is tradcath Mecca in St. Mary’s, KS) but they do live within short driving distance of each other and are fairly close-knit. The townies have all kinds of autistic ideological divisions about what is the appropriate amount of boot-licking towards the apostate hierarchs in Rome, and dependence on Rome is a large part of what drove the split with the Westerners, while the Easterners kind of just do their own thing, but between that, the total lack of organization, and the late Mass time that no one wants to stay after, our church is kind of dysfunctional and if the Westerners can get a priest I’d rather go to their church.In retrospect maybe it is a little stupid to blame homesteading for that and the Easterners’ terrible taste in memes. I’m kind of salty about having a hard time fitting in and integrating into the community with all this, as well as something that happened earlier in the year where I put in a lot of time money and effort and it didn’t really go the way I’d hoped (though while they could have been more reasonable that was also partly due to my own autistic behavior), but at least writing it out this way has made me realize that maybe I am being kind of ridiculous and need to get over this grudge.
(DIR) Post #AwNEJWFksFvEHfbjX6 by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-07-21T23:43:21.979139Z
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@WandererUber @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface @JoshuaSlocum There I just wrote Democracy in America but for a small group of midwestern irl e-caths, hope it’s not complete niggerbabble, I’m charging my phone and taking a nap.
(DIR) Post #AwNEYqkQxOw4BvGeFE by Sazabeyourself@poa.st
2025-07-21T23:46:06.264880Z
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@WandererUber People also didn't run farms with 18 cows and a bunch of crops by themselves. Many times they had large extended families to distribute the work. Trading what you had for what you didn't was also important. I avoid most female youtubers on principle but the female homesteader crap is the worst.
(DIR) Post #AwNEncHN29xVf2iN7I by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
2025-07-21T23:48:48.944586Z
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@WandererUber @professionalbigot69 Potatoes are a gift from above.
(DIR) Post #AwNFCygCszseNIQP4q by egirlyuumimain@poa.st
2025-07-21T23:53:23.289787Z
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@WandererUber Yeah let's just forget about the pioneers I guess
(DIR) Post #AwNGnGIqwM9DPaMnjc by pepsi_man@poa.st
2025-07-22T00:11:08.641106Z
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@WandererUber >waterBuild catchment ponds>nutrientCows eat grass if you keep them corraled and they don't ruin the root system like goats/sheep>foodPut seeds in the ground, add water as needed>shelter If homeless people can do it for free, you can do it on a shoe string budget
(DIR) Post #AwNIQ80fo9cgwFxafg by jerkdouglas@shitposter.world
2025-07-22T00:29:24.632288Z
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@pepsi_man @WandererUber in an episode of rawhide, I learned that sheep herders were shot at on-sight for fucking up the grazing land.
(DIR) Post #AwNKsUjH8BwrPzTacq by pepsi_man@poa.st
2025-07-22T00:56:54.893210Z
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@jerkdouglasCan't say I blame them. Once you lose your root system it's hard to get it back and in the mean time, other animals starve and you get erosion problems. @WandererUber
(DIR) Post #AwNSEfrh6mwk0NwAue by branman65@poa.st
2025-07-22T02:18:49.720797Z
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@wgiwf @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber larping like a 1800s prairie pioneer in 2025 is simply not sustainable
(DIR) Post #AwNVdQ7l4NNuHtwUy0 by pepsi_man@poa.st
2025-07-22T02:57:26.469315Z
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@branman65Kinda proves the "why are women"As long as you take it seriously instead of LARPing then living like it's 1880 should be a piece of cake. @wgiwf @JoshuaSlocum @WandererUber
(DIR) Post #AwOXMSFSJSrd1FXaUa by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-22T14:51:31.616965Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface "making things internally" and "fixing old cars" are not the same thing and i'm not sure why you conflate themwhat you're describing is simply a return to community and an emphasis on local production; i don't think anybody has a problem with thatwhere your argument falls apart is your apparent unawareness of the complexity of modern manufacturing when building to scalei have no doubt your local co-op can make, say, screws; to assert that your locally built screws will necessarily be cheaper than screws from Consolidated Screw Mfg. Ltd., Esq. is fucking insanethis gets worse and worse when you start talking about replacement cylinder heads, washing machines, distribution transformers or circuit boardsbut, since you've obviously convinced yourself, i encourage you to get out there right now and start making this happen (you won't)let fedi know when the bitches arrive, lotsa brothers here could use that info
(DIR) Post #AwOZPQYnFHjkYp8BXc by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-22T15:14:24.928578Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >to assert that your locally built screws will necessarily be cheaper than screws from Consolidated Screw Mfg. Ltd., Esq. is fucking insaneFunny you should mention screws. This video in part informs my views on this subject:https://youtu.be/3ZTGwcHQfLY?t=995>unawareness of the complexityweird that I'M the libertarian but you're the guy basing his arguments on economies of scale and complexity, even though everyone can see that prices today are determined by parasitism and greed.>but, since you've obviously convinced yourself, i encourage you to get out there right now and start making this happen (you won't)Make "what" happen? I build my own things already. You still think about this as like an all or nothing thing, which I don't.>where your argument falls apart Really not sure anymore what you even think I am saying.>"making things internally" and "fixing old cars" are not the same thing and i'm not sure why you conflate themIn what way am I conflating them? Cars require parts. Parts require you to either make or buy them. If you can make a part yourself, you will save money compared to others provided the part is overpriced.Is your position that there are LESS things now (compared to like 50 years ago) that are overpriced?
(DIR) Post #AwOdMxTUoTjvaijPGa by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-22T15:58:49.240009Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface so you're not building cars in the barn, you're making car parts in the barn?what car parts? hoses? the headliner? the transmission?i really don't think you know what you're talking aboutyour position is that it is cheaper to do things yourselfthat's true, sometimes; sometimes it is notwhen it's not, now what?>Really not sure anymore what you even think I am saying.yeah, that's because i have no idea what you're sayingit sounds like some sort of kibbutz collective that is guaranteed to be cheaper because you handwave away things like resource extraction and other parts of the supply chain that you don't really have a solution for, which is when you reach for "it's not an all or nothing thing"what it really sounds like is you're re-inventing the Amish
(DIR) Post #AwOfVWZMPr16ezgdzU by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-22T16:22:46.180540Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >when it's not, now what?then you keep buying them on the open market? That's all I meant by "not all or nothing"I think the only one who's reaching here is you. Plenty of things once considered basic are now prohibitively expensive for many people and this fact has nothing to do with "resource extraction" or "the compexity of the supply chain".It's low trust society and greed, plain and simple.This trend is very obvious and there are zero signs of slowing down.>you handwave away things like resource extraction I'm not really handwaving anything away. And nowhere did I claim that it makes sense to try to built silicon chips from scratch or whatever. In fact as you recall this whole thing started with the simplest thing to make: food.Now we're at car parts (you were the one who went here btw) and what I said still holds true. It's MORE feasible today to repair more things wrong with your car than it was 50 years ago. Where it isn't, it has nothing to do with supply chain complexity or resource extraction. 3D printing, actuators, welders, smelters. These can make plenty of things and they have not risen in price nearly as much as the things they make.>it sounds like some sort of kibbutz collective "Wow, you want your family to make and fix stuff themselves? What are you, a jewish commie?" uhhh...And you really didn't answer my question.If you want me to answer even more of yours, then at least tell me a specific issue, instead of escaping into generalizations. Because otherwise I fail to see how "you don't have a copper mine" stops any of the million options to arrive at "part that can replace a copper pipe"
(DIR) Post #AwOh62qvxqLBAGsvNw by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-22T16:40:37.140977Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface my dude, i've given plenty of specific issues: you have asserted your vertical collective can build copper pipe, car parts, and feed each person on less than 2 acres per person in less than 40 hours per month, and do this without greed or corruption(it's funny to me that you derided utopist nonsense earlier)people advocating for parallel economies always depend on the actual economy to keep ticking over, which does not impress me
(DIR) Post #AwOivLKD91IVB6bUC8 by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-22T17:01:02.225818Z
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@JoshuaSlocum @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface It's unnecessary to put words in my mouth. I have only given a time and size estimate for food production. Never once have I talked about a collective or it being easy to spawn into existence copper piping. >depend on the actual economy to keep ticking overThere is no actual economy. It's all fintech and fairy dust. I have tried to summarize my thoughts on a more abstract level here:https://poa.st/@WandererUber/posts/AwOibfDoVnjJwZKtyCThanks again for letting me bounce this off you.
(DIR) Post #AwOkpUBHVNXcoblHk0 by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-22T17:22:25.855492Z
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @nugger @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Paleface >If nobody in your town knows how to make copper pipe, you are dependent on external monopolies and pay more.if i'm not supposed to read "a guy in town makes copper pipe, and cheaper than Copper Pipe Amalgamated" in this, you need to be clearer>There is no actual economy. It's all fintech and fairy dust.that's just what peeps say on the Internet to be edgythey still cash their paycheck in dollars and go to a store and buy Charmin, for which somebody cuts down trees, and somebody else turns into pillowy, cloud-like buttwipei don't mind abstract conjecture, you have to start somewhere after allbut i think and plan in concrete termsfor example, i build boatswhen i'm building in plywood, for example, i'm not going to pretend that i could also make the plywood myselfi can pour a lead keel, but i'm not going to pretend i mined the lead and didn't get it from tire weightsi cannot make a one-off boat cheaper than a factory using molded fiberglass and buying cleats and shit in bulkor, more to the point, i *can*, but it will be a really shitty boatlet's not go around sucking our own dicks over abstract conjecture based on an n=1 research paper; humility is a virtue
(DIR) Post #AwOwIElkz1xquVjdUO by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-22T19:30:52.075223Z
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@JoshuaSlocum I worded that extremely poorly. My thought process was not:"Simply start making every industrial good yourself right now. It's cheaper than buying."We were both already thinking about the supply chain. So in my head it was:"surely Joshua knows that plenty of goods and services have already crossed the point where a competent person could do/make it themselves for cheaper.""The share of these goods and services will obviously increase in the future, so let's use copper tubing as an example. You could easily make some serviceable pipe from recycled copper if push came to shove.""If you are a dependent (in this case: would be entirely incapable of making copper pipe (or finding a workaround, though I didn't say this), should it become unavailable) you are entirely at the mercy of "ZOG & Co's Copper Pipe Almalgamated". They can hike the price endlessly because you simply lack the competency to substitute their external process."I think my new post has some better examples that work right now. I've noticed that my conjecture about the future is not shared by you guys at all, so that should get my thoughts across better.>let's not go around sucking our own dicks over abstract conjecture based on an n=1 research paper; humility is a virtueNever once have I claimed to be able to literally every task myself.I could just as easily accuse *you* of hubris for thinking people will just want to pay you forever.And please contrast the "yes you can do this" n=1 research paper with your evidence: 0️⃣. If you want to enter a source-based dick measuring contest. Otherwise, just accept that I provided at least some evidence that the effort to grow, once again, you say you never disputed this, *literally* all of your own nutrition is an order of magnitude less then what common knowledge implies.Especially saying this about boats is taking me by surprise, since plenty of people build their own boats for cheap, and a lot of people build their own *yachts*, for crying out loud. And they ALL do it because it is way cheaper than ordering one from a factory!Anyway, I've went on way too long again. As I said, I sorted my thoughts and made that other post because I was so bad at articulating myself, as usual.If I had one wish, it would be for you to please stop summarizing "I, pencil" at me and calling me a libertarian at the same time.
(DIR) Post #AwOzxw3xDvawuzp0Hg by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-22T20:12:02.220032Z
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@WandererUber >And they ALL do it because it is way cheaper than ordering one from a factory!the old saw goes, "the price of a boat includes the engine and the trailer; the boat itself is free"people build boats because they want to; they may also be smearing the equipment and material costs over timebuilding a boat, up to specs where you might call it a "yacht", *may* *possibly* be somewhat *equal* in price, but you have to value your time as worth $0, and calculate the risk of serious injury at 0%this is really basic economic stuff, and you should definitely talk to boat buildersi'm not sure what sources i have to provide to prove "it's not as easy as you imply that it is, and you seem to have ignored non-trivial inputs">plenty of goods and services have already crossed the point where a competent person could do/make it themselves for cheaper"the terrible economic system has brought us to the point where Home Depot exists" is not the win you think it isif you can't make the connection that the history of Western man's civilization is built on fewer people working agriculture and more people working to create Home Depot, man, i don't know what to tell youbut, as you say, you can definitely feed yourself (with wheat, olives, fava beans and assorted vegetables) on small acreage in western Galilee; take that lap, king
(DIR) Post #AwP0l5olk8W5MY9ume by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-22T20:20:53.845153Z
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@JoshuaSlocum Are you mad at me? If this is making you angry, you should stop. I don't want to fight.I have seen a lot of people build their own relatively big boats and they all say they do it like that because they can't afford a factory-built yacht.>"the terrible economic system has brought us to the point where Home Depot exists" is not the win you think it isYou're overdoing the straw men by now. Not once have I ever said the economic system, i.e. capitalism, is bad or at fault for any of the things I mentioned. And you yourself called me a libertarian, remember?In fact, I've said the opposite. Everything BUT economics is at fault for making things expensive, and therefore the economics of vertical integration MAKE SENSE.>if you can't make the connection that the history of Western man's civilization is built on fewer people working agriculture and more people working to create Home DepotI can and I did though. Do you really think we are still simply in "Western man's civilization" and nothing is happening that is destroying this? If so, why are you on a far-right website?And you really can't have it both ways btw. "It's bad to do things yourself that exist professionally" and "It's good that more and more people DIY" are contradictions.See? I can straw man you too!
(DIR) Post #AwP2hNVqDEmyzYf6i8 by JoshuaSlocum@poa.st
2025-07-22T20:42:40.263808Z
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@WandererUber >I have seen a lot of people build their own relatively big boats and they all say they do it like that because they can't afford a factory-built yacht.boats are a rapidly depreciating asset; if you want a cheap yacht, you buy a used one and fix it up; this is knownsince you seem to know a lot of them, ask these boat builders for a cost schedule w/suppliers, i'd like to have that cheat sheet for sure; a CSV file is fine, preferred actuallyin any event, i'm not strawmanning here; your argument is unfocussed, and that's not my faultif the problem is the jew, then remove the jew; i think that's something we can all get behind, and it even seems like we're making headway on that front for the first time since like 1492but re-labeling "parallel economy" as "vertical integration" doesn't change the fact that your re-branded parallel economy relies, heavily, on the good old-fashioned economywhat i'm hearing from you is a variation on what i've heard from several folks who advocate for "independent, sea-steading cruisers" as a parallel socio-economic frameworkthey all talk about the community aspect, and the freedom and whatnot, and then they tell you how cheap and easy it is because you can order a wind generator off of Amazon for $189if you can't see the absurdity in that, we're sailing on completely different tides
(DIR) Post #AwP3CLsaKnoQu64Niy by WandererUber@poa.st
2025-07-22T20:48:14.107478Z
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@JoshuaSlocum >remove the jew; i think that's something we can all get behind, and it even seems like we're making headway on that front for the first time since like 1492And you call me the utopian! This is going to be a long-ass road my friend and I believe if one tries to wait it out and stays entirely jacked-in to normal society during this, he is not making it through.>and fix it upDoing work yourself even though there are professionals that do it?That *MUST* be more expensive! 😏 >independent sea-steading cruisersFirst of all, holy faustian kino.I would be interested in reading a lot of this stuff you mention why these parallel economies won't work actually. The proof is in the pudding that what THEY say is not working, obviously. But I am actually interested in more hard data and I'd like to see it if you have it on hand.Once again, I'm not nearly as extreme about it as those people.I simply see a parallel between what people like Musk do in their factories and what might be possible in the home. I called it vertical integration to highlight this.
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2025-07-22T21:19:41.137862Z
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@WandererUber >Doing work yourself even though there are professionals that do it?since we're doing smart-ass remarks, re-caulking the hull to deck joint is not the same as hewing a marine diesel out of a block of cast iron with a fucking adze>I would be interested in reading a lot of this stuff"Sea-Steading" by Jerome (Jay) Fitzgerald was a big one a few years agoit's worth a read for a lot of reasons other than the hippie shitlast i heard Jay was homesteading in Hawaii somewhere, feeding himself by growing taro root or something like that; i also think about a strictly poi-based diet when i hear "homesteading"James Howard Kuntsler had Ray Jason on his podcast recently, he's the Sea Gypsy guy, and his interview was the latest version of "just buy your freedom from Amazon" that rustled my jimmiesif you make it to the end, let me know; i threw my phone out the car window and hit a negro with it>I simply see a parallel between what people like Musk do in their factories and what might be possible in the home.i'm sympathetic to thisfor all the hue and cry about how horrible LEDs are, they have done a shitload for electricity-related energy costs and are helping to reclaim our night skiesi'm not even sour on electric carsif we stopped running to the next exit down the highway and re-took our ancestral cities, having a buzzy go-kart to get around would be greatif you need to go farther, you hop on a train; i have enough autism left to overcome the cynicism and still believe in choo-choos>This is going to be a long-ass road my friend and I believe if one tries to wait it out and stays entirely jacked-in to normal society during this, he is not making it through.i don't know what "partially jacked-in" even meansand we could argue until the Sun burns out which is harder: de-jewing the economy or building a new one, just two feet to the sidei do know that preference cascades move fast, and with the Internet, we may not have even seen the land-speed record for preference cascades yet
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2025-07-22T21:45:44.278695Z
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@JoshuaSlocum I was hoping you had some hard data takedowns of these bigger utopian projects. They had a "Seasteading Institute" at some point.I like hippies on log floats. Not really necessary to look at those to find out that they don't work long term however.>since we're doing smart-ass remarks,not like I started, is it?>hewing a marine diesel out of a block of cast iron with a fucking adzeGood thing I never implied doing this. You didn't seriously think when I said "people build their own boats" that I meant they make the diesel engine themselves, did you?Probably best to go electric these days anyways. It's what I would do, but to each their own. Would definitely reduce the cost and work required to motorize and maintain the boat.>I don't know what "partially jacked-in" even meansNot sending your kids to public school. Not consuming liberal media. Etc.For a long time, participating in everything that is so kindly """offered""" by our overlords conferred benefits. Public school went off a cliff, so rolling your own has the benefit now. A good thing to have when we're headed for a collision with the liberal order and all their believers.For me the order is-severe economic difficulties-political change becomes possible-goodbye jewsSo if one doesn't come out on top during these difficulties, it's gonna be a lot harder to do the next bit! The Jews were never kicked out before they ruined things. Every time it was after. I don't think 110 is gonna buck that trend.>i'm sympathetic to thisGood. I see the opposite on here all the time.A lot of stubbornness about automation and new tech comes from scammers and consoomption. For the latter, look at the smart home and how much retarded bullshit that doesn't add value they sell. And cheap LEDs that flicker for the former.When I look at people "homesteading" they put the seeds in manually, like a caveman. They fuck around with plastic tarp for hours. Thousands more opportunities. When I think about how many hours my dad spends in the hardware store looking for the right part and coming up empty, I want to buy him a CNC mill, honestly.A few examples why I think what I think.