Post Aw00N7oDYa65hQMsca by rolle@mementomori.social
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(DIR) Post #AvzKh3rDlJKhA1b3Im by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T10:41:51Z
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Fediverse is still the most lively social network I have ever used, since MySpace in 2003. It is better than Twitter or any commercial social media platform ever was. Absolutely love being here.The most profound thing about it is the international coverage. After the first wave of enshittification in 2010, algorithms took over, and suddenly as a polyglot I was labeled as Finnish. No more visible international posts, people only saw the Finnish ones.I've noticed the same effect in commercial AI. It ignores the fact that I use English online 99% of the time and still replies to me in Finnish despite all instructions. Algorithms and AI label you. They assign you a language, a status, a certain type of person. There's no changing that.The Fediverse and Mastodon are delightfully mine, yours, and truly open source - respecting privacy. Nobody's machine can tell you, "You are this, and this is why we do that."Fuck labelers and the fog machines. Let me be me. Here, on my own server, I can embrace my weirdness and post however I want, how often I want, whenever I want, in whatever language I choose - without constantly worrying about how my identity will be perceived by a machine.#SocialMedia #Mastodon #Fediverse
(DIR) Post #AvzKh5EedffhQzZHSy by monarchist@na.social
2025-07-10T11:01:43Z
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@rolle I find there is little organic interaction here.The big servers are all as fake as regular social media.So we can enjoy posting into the void.
(DIR) Post #AvzMt4QBgtRwIEo2SW by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T11:26:19Z
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@monarchist You mean little organic integration in the Fediverse? That is objectively false. Here following and being followed matters more. Follow 100x more and we'll talk.
(DIR) Post #AvzSieCqu1ALokyw4W by monarchist@na.social
2025-07-10T12:31:43Z
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@rolle Yes, I mean there is very little organic interaction here. It has the same hugbox problem Bluesky does on the big servers, and on the littler servers, other than hellthreads not much happens.It's posting into the void.
(DIR) Post #AvzT569RgTXirI5s1I by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T12:35:42Z
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@monarchist Compeltely disagree. Did you read what I posted? Fediverse is the MOST lively social network I have ever used. Thousands of interactions every day.Try following 7000 and you see the difference. It's NOT posting into the void.
(DIR) Post #AvzhM3PUWmOCdcZuym by Npars01@mstdn.social
2025-07-10T14:39:13Z
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@rolle Algorithms and AI are worsening the political and cultural divides of all nations. Republicans, and other far right voters, are stuck in an information bubble starting with Fox News and then Twitter and now Truth Social. Algorithms & AI are deepening that divide with the help of Russian bots and Koch Network PR manipulation. Mastodon actively supports a broader access to information. It's like walking down the aisles of a wonderful book store or public library.
(DIR) Post #AvzhM4j1ddboiUj248 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T15:15:24Z
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@Npars01 @rolle mostly. conservatives get treated in ways we'd never tolerate for others here and on bluesky. or they quickly get blocked here when people could just not follow or mute them. thus few try it out.(not referring to the obvious trolls who need to be reported)
(DIR) Post #AvzhSVsNbZAcf3AdXc by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T15:12:29Z
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My post blew up, thanks to some high rollers follower-wise 😹 I always get a few nay-sayers sliding into my notifications, going on about "no interactions", "no traction", "not social", "no appeal" nonsense. How do you explain these comments and likes every other second then? You should follow more than 20 people here.#Fediverse #Mastodon
(DIR) Post #AvzhSX0vNHbEBqAyUy by monarchist@na.social
2025-07-10T15:16:50Z
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(DIR) Post #AvzhbUxcNVJuQauBXM by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T15:18:27Z
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@monarchist Is that AI generated? That meme doesn't really fit here.
(DIR) Post #AvziChmjeyOUuuYZMm by Npars01@mstdn.social
2025-07-10T15:24:57Z
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@wjmaggos @rolle Conservatives get blocked because they espouse views actively divorced from reality, facts, and decency.Even their purported views like land trusts for preserving species diversity for hunting & fishing have been discarded.They want to drill for oil on every bit of public lands including national parks.
(DIR) Post #AvziqkNPRaUUXOnu7M by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T15:32:13Z
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@Npars01 @rolle but like somebody posting dumb shit on their blog back in the day, they can post it and nobody need see it. we didn't need to try to push them off the web or stop browsers from accessing their sites. we don't need to push them off fedi.as long as we police for unwanted mentions and we remain algo free, we should all be able to coexist. as much as people might stumble on their stuff and go right, they might stumble on ours and go left. and we have the better info/arguments.
(DIR) Post #AvzjDeZZBlxFCJPfDE by Npars01@mstdn.social
2025-07-10T15:36:18Z
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@wjmaggos @rolle There can be no mutual coexistence with Nazis. They don't believe in it.
(DIR) Post #AvzjxQjywqZlcS73Sa by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T15:44:37Z
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@Npars01 @rolle they don't but they exist in our world and always have, so we're doing it all the time. we just don't let them do the bad things. letting them be on fedi without bothering people is just like letting them have blogs that they email around (now boost).and most people have conservative (not Nazi) friends/family that would be shouted down here if they honestly expressed their opinions. so of course they stay on big tech and get pushed further right. we need to change that.
(DIR) Post #AvzlSZSGhMoJZrEx7Y by Johns_priv@mastodon.social
2025-07-10T16:01:18Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle Show me a conservative idea not based on racism, homophobia, xenophobia or lack of care for the planet. I'll wait.I don't want to speak or hear anyone with those views honestly. If I wanted, I have a whole side of the family who's still very much pro-Franco.
(DIR) Post #AvzmIKFSTuINTOvXAu by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T16:10:47Z
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@Johns_priv @Npars01 @rolle I am not arguing for conservative views.but should that part of your family get blocked and bombarded with mean replies (in a way we'd never tolerate towards lefties here) for joining the fedi and honestly expressing their opinions?[I am not saying you need to follow them or that they should be allowed to bother others here. see how we let people browse to any site vs how we have email spam blocking programs.]isn't it worse to have your family get Xed etc...
(DIR) Post #AvzmQPNxGXmFipktTU by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T16:12:10Z
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@wjmaggos @Johns_priv @Npars01 @rolle yes, they should. It's perfectly reasonable to have spaces where not every opinion is welcomed.
(DIR) Post #Avzmi1XGg44exwVkbA by Npars01@mstdn.social
2025-07-10T16:15:21Z
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@wjmaggos @rolle I'm not advocating for pre-emptive bans of conservative voices. I ban liars. I ban people who are actively workinh to kill others.I do not advocate for bans on lurkers while they learn another's POV. Conservatives exist but don't want others to do the same. They have an agenda of dominance & imposing their desires on the unwilling. They are sabotaging the votes of others, undermining the rights of others, abusing the law to hurt others, forcing their religion on others.
(DIR) Post #Avzn7LtY7QlPLh0iIa by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T16:20:01Z
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@mhanson101 @Johns_priv @Npars01 @rolle this is true also. group tech vs what we have with AP which is very much like the web where we don't limit access by default.trying to do what you want with auto federating FOSS tech seems a little silly to me. probably should be opt in. better to fork it imo.
(DIR) Post #AvznriSgY4Y8evYM4m by bluetea@ioc.exchange
2025-07-10T15:22:13Z
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@rolle @monarchist I think they're trying to suggest that this is a single data point, while failing to acknowledge that their opinion is based on their own single data point.
(DIR) Post #AvznrjWyZbZlyWZIP2 by monarchist@na.social
2025-07-10T16:28:37Z
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@bluetea @rolle > their own single data point.Big assumption
(DIR) Post #Avzo5r0fZ0EnE0BrfM by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T16:30:52Z
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@Npars01 @rolle so all conservatives are not liars and want to kill and many other things you wrote, right? but they'd all get treated bad here, right? shouldn't that not be so?but the ones that do want to do all the things you wrote (that we're not already going after for being illegal), I don't get how we can say they should be allowed on the net but harassed/blocked off fedi.as @mhanson101 says, there should also be spaces with any limits people want. just not fedi or the web imho.
(DIR) Post #Avzo8pmuYy9kIuAzPE by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T16:30:57Z
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@wjmaggos @Johns_priv @Npars01 @rolle there are plenty of places for "conservatives" to hang out and express their opinions. I'm not sure why you're taking the time to argue that EVERY space should be open to them. Claiming that their viewpojnt isn't respected and that therefore it's not a welcoming place is disingenuous and spurious. However you want to couch it in tech terms.
(DIR) Post #AvzoR7s64E6hbNK8vY by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T16:34:47Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle hard disagree. Never understood why the web is supposed to be this special place where no limits somehow creates a utopia of openness, when that's clearly not how human beings work. The biggest asshole ruins it for everyone unless they're stopped. The internet is just people interacting, it's just like a coffee shop, or a park, it's not mystical or immune from human nature. In fact many elements of it select for the worst parts of human nature.
(DIR) Post #Avzp4NAJ8hJuKPYXb6 by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T16:41:50Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle creating spaces without protection for the vulnerable, persecuted, disadvantaged, etc just makes a space that is hostile to those people, it doesn't make it inclusive.Right wingers and their apologists can get fucked trying to gaslight people into thinking that if they're hostile to dangerous people, they are the morally flawed one and the actual problem.
(DIR) Post #AvzpDKZKA86OsiWr8y by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T16:43:30Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolle the web isn't supposed to be special and the biggest jerk only ruins things if we let them. the specialness comes from decentralization w/o algos but with moderation that lets everybody share a network but only see each other to the degree we choose to. that's why it has worked so well and what we could do better here IMO.people import norms from big tech with algos over here, not realizing that the Nazi bar problem isn't an issue on the open web with nazi sites.
(DIR) Post #AvzpQUjpfDMQBbiloO by TomasHradcky@musicians.today
2025-07-10T16:45:49Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle My blocking any person or instance does nothing to their ability to be on the fediverse. There is nothing I post, from my experience within my own extended family, that will intrigue or turn them. My posts are the fuel they crave to feed their righteous anger. I’m not going to participate in any of that.
(DIR) Post #AvzpclKzm0fN8wxBFg by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T16:48:02Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle I am so confused. You seemed to be arguing that it was bad to not be inclusive of conservatives, and bad to restrict access to abusive family, and now you're saying that it's great that we can limit access. But also that it's not actually a problem that we need to worry about because nazis have their own spaces?
(DIR) Post #Avzq1eEHL57KKwg6VM by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T16:52:26Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolle I support going hard on all unwanted mentions, and fediblocking servers that don't police accounts that do that.again, that's different than somebody who posts a conservative view without tagging anybody. today, that person might get a ton of mean replies here. vs a progressive view where such negative replies would be cause for moderating those replying.both sets of replies should be dealt w carefully, trying to let the conversation happen but not be mean.
(DIR) Post #AvzqylQOELU3jpX1iC by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T17:03:12Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolle I'm arguing for taking advantage of decentralization here to maximize everybody being able to see what they want here, including conservatives. that's possible because we don't have ads or algos, when we also moderate for unwanted mentions (including mean replies to conservatives, not just progressives).this ability to mix how we choose is not possible on closed platforms with algos, but people should be able to have those with any rules they want also.
(DIR) Post #Avzr75gslXH4uPDU3c by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T17:04:38Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle so basically you're just saying don't do mean replies? Sure that's great, but those conservatives that you're standing up for have the same ability to block and limit access so I'm not sure why you're so upset for them.Are you also going on Twitter and telling those people to make safe spaces for other views or is it just the conservatives (who apparently defibrillator are not you) that you're sticking up for?
(DIR) Post #Avzrb4Vpi81NwTLPQe by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T17:10:09Z
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@TomasHradcky @Npars01 @rolle I generally agree. I think blocking is ruder and unnecessary compares to muting, but sure.the problem would be if bigger servers do this to most conservatives, or too many servers do this.and I think letting harassment fly towards conservatives but not progressives, is also a problem. I see that on bluesky mostly. we're not big enough or interesting to bigger name conservatives yet probably.
(DIR) Post #AvzsXHpoKxPG3XRp7g by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T17:20:40Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolleyes, don't do mean replies to anybody. but the policy here (and it's good) has never been to ask every user to block the mean people themselves every time. they get reported and stopped from bothering others. servers that host lots of assholes get fediblocked. I agree w that. just do that for harassing anybody.as I said, on closed places like twitter with algos, the owner is doing propaganda. yeah, I'll tell Zuck not to push meta glasses too.we have power here.
(DIR) Post #Avzt3Zod1I0v5cI9E8 by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T17:26:29Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle so my takeaway from all that is block and report assholes, but make sure you don't block conservatives who haven't directly targeted individuals even if their views are abhorrent and question the very humanity of people you care about, and also don't challenge conservatives on their views in aggressive ways? Thank you for the PSA? You seem very concerned that conservatives have a good time. I'm glad someone has dared to stand up for the comfort of the rich white man.
(DIR) Post #Avztns0DjWaeofmvke by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T17:34:54Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolle or maybe we should instead take your approach and scour the web for every website with stuff we don't like and harass them until that's all taken down, no matter if you're the only person outside of the site owner that has ever seen it. /snarkI'm very concerned that we're all talking to each other civilly cause I think that's ultimately how knowledge and empathy expands and the moral arc bends toward justice in the most sustainable way. the fedi can help a lot.
(DIR) Post #AvztuDdUDKVreGBL16 by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T17:35:59Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle no one is doing that. You're fighting battles that don't exist for people who don't want the moral arc to bend toward justice.
(DIR) Post #Avzu1XJfRQQ0iGOv9k by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T17:37:21Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolle were they born evil?
(DIR) Post #Avzu6AEGhpd8Yd5A5Q by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T17:38:12Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle no, they've chosen to be because of privilege and lack of introspection and empathy
(DIR) Post #Avzu9rpP3wP0e7DYGG by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T17:38:47Z
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@wjmaggos Following this discussion from the sidelines, I understand both of your points. Our instance is very liberal, and I do not support blocking instances that don't block some other instances - that's absurd. However, I also recognize that nazis and abusers have no place in my part of the Fediverse. Supporting right-wing policies doesn't automatically make someone a human scum. For example, our company has people across the entire spectrum - politically, ideologically, and by identity. If I don't like or agree with someone, it doesn't give me the right to harass them. @mhanson101 @Npars01
(DIR) Post #AvzuE7dUEPjapbflL6 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2025-07-10T17:39:39Z
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@mhanson101 @Npars01 @rolle so I think that means they can choose again.
(DIR) Post #Avzub5Miq4RMRymTuS by mhanson101@union.place
2025-07-10T17:43:49Z
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@wjmaggos @Npars01 @rolle excellent, keep fighting the good fight of taking on the oppressed in order that the oppressors will have another opportunity to choose whether to be oppressive.
(DIR) Post #Avzurs29evX41eAFsW by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-07-10T17:47:07Z
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@rolleGlad to hear it's working out well for someone. For me it's slowly getting better, but, ultimately, I still only get to interact with the people I'd met IRL or on twitter for most of the time here. Find myself craaaaving for something that looks more like a fully connected social graph: churning chaos, engagement, amalgamation of languagus, rapid evolution of discourse and ideas. These are mostly contrary to much of the pro-mental health reaction to the aggresion of the advertisers
(DIR) Post #AvzvBNWQoJ7LBed0QC by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T17:50:34Z
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@nobody "Find myself craaaaving for something that looks more like a fully connected social graph: churning chaos, engagement, amalgamation of languagus, rapid evolution of discourse and ideas."I see no reason why that isn’t achievable in the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AvzvfgNXGbTEMBuvvU by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-07-10T17:56:07Z
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@rolle the resulting notion that one, by default, is not "entitled" to reach out with another (which, playing the devil's advocate, I'm tempted to contrast with "not entitled to a response"), and the emerging movements like fediblock, anti-search and anti-quoteboost campaigns, anti-bridge sentiments, all reignited by the ai scrappers, foster a culture... a culture I'm failing to be optimistic aboutInstead of a fully connected graph I'm imagining a very sparse and mostly-diagonal block matrix..
(DIR) Post #Avzvt4IxcYyyKMA01o by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-07-10T17:58:32Z
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@rolle Well let's see:)
(DIR) Post #Aw00N4F0p19adMsDpY by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2025-07-10T16:46:44Z
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@catzilla @Linux @rolle I don't think it is wrong for people to expect the time they put into their social media to be relevant.I don't think it is wrong to equate relevance with a certain amount of followers or engagement.Touting the fediverse as a social media site where users have almost no relevance isn't a winning advert.
(DIR) Post #Aw00N5c5ihD0tEgARU by caroona@norden.social
2025-07-10T17:26:12Z
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@Okanogen @catzilla @Linux @rolle It's more like relevance is less unevenly distributed on here Not like on other platforms everyone has millions of followers. So you could say the majority of people are on those other networks to follow the minority. Most people are not that relevant so a few can feel extra relevant.And the fact that things are different in the Fediverse actually is a big plus to me.
(DIR) Post #Aw00N72iPC6FK68wa0 by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2025-07-10T17:48:41Z
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@caroona @catzilla @Linux @rolle I'm not advocating the million follower algorithm model, but the fediverse really needs to stop putting up barriers to users relevance and engagement in the supposed quest for "safety".I also don't think it is wrong for people like, for example George Takei to have a huge amount of followers.Where is the harm? Muting and blocking are right there.The way the fedi is set up virtually quarantees that no post will go viral, whether users want to see it or not.
(DIR) Post #Aw00N7oDYa65hQMsca by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T17:51:36Z
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@Okanogen I think admins have right to choose. Similarly I can choose to ban entire networks from accessing my website (e. g. botnets). Nothing new in this.@caroona @catzilla @Linux
(DIR) Post #Aw00N8f2OCLeLF53x2 by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2025-07-10T17:58:21Z
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@rolle @caroona @catzilla @Linux Sure. Absolutely.And people on your instance can vote with their feet.
(DIR) Post #Aw00N9q40glJzjFNmC by Linux@mastodon.au
2025-07-10T18:06:24Z
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@Okanogen @rolle @caroona @catzilla I’ll argue that constantly banning entire sites is a problem.Why?On the Fediverse, I have three (3) accounts — just so I can follow everyone I want to follow.There are admins who will argue with one person, one time, and suddenly the entire site — along with 5,000+ other users — is blacklisted. That one person can move to another instance, but the admin is still blocking 5,000+ innocent users who had nothing to do with it.Fragmentation on the Fediverse is a major issue. Meanwhile, on Twitter or Bluesky, one person doesn't diminish everyone else.
(DIR) Post #Aw00NAmYVDYAv8c5wm by rolle@mementomori.social
2025-07-10T18:32:09Z
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@Linux I understand that. But it's the nature of the web, unfortunately users have to choose their hosting carefully. Some admins make poor decisions. That's one of the reasons I run my own servers.I really believe that fragmentation isn't a real issue on the Internet. That's how the web is built - servers don't all follow each other sometimes, and that's perfectly fine. It's been like that from the start; I've even denied access to entire servers on IRC and other platforms.Commercial platforms want as many people as possible to be in the same place - that's how they make money. But that's not the real internet; it is a commercial utopia. Nobody can genuinely be connected with everyone, and that is okay.@Okanogen @caroona @catzilla
(DIR) Post #Aw00NBgDAI4NhkeXhI by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-07-10T18:48:36Z
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@rolle @Linux @Okanogen @caroona @catzilla Meh, I'd not be taking the web analogy so far. After all, if your client for the web is your browser and normally runs locally, one's client for the Fediverse is usually a SaaS. Nor do we even necessarily have to follow the web model (meaning all the recently resurfacing comparisons to RSS, aside from projects explicitly presented as distributed-twitter-likes)
(DIR) Post #Aw0BTY5LsEhUQYeF4i by mwt@mastodon.nz
2025-07-10T19:53:01Z
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@rolle @monarchist it's not even a void if you don't follow a ton of people/hashtags. I used to "scream into the void" all the time on Twitter and get a predictable lack of response. When I do it here I get likes and occasional boosts.
(DIR) Post #Aw0BTZjRkeMnXCPmD2 by monarchist@na.social
2025-07-10T20:53:10Z
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@mwt @rolle Other than the ideological types, I am unimpressed by what I see here.Twitter has more but it's also got a weird interface I don't like.Facebook rocked a lot more but I refuse to use Meta products.
(DIR) Post #Aw22fvkjC6qs2Akarg by tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk
2025-07-11T18:23:59Z
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@monarchistWhat? I'm on a single user server and there's so much in my feed I can barely keep up with it.You get out what you put in.. it's wholly organic.@rolle