Post AvmhzSvx2Wgs2L4iOG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #AvlSMg6ISW4D6o06gS by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:21:47.977635Z
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complying with the stop killing games demands is often not feasible but it is more than feasible to expect game companies to not deliberately make all their games unplayable without a remote server or provide a way to freeze it in that state when the servers are shut off
(DIR) Post #AvlSYD5IAN6Uak1tsu by xian@ak.kazuma.family
2025-07-03T18:23:27.050407Z
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@sun yeah, we had that before. Just add dedicated server support and the folks that love the game will figure it out
(DIR) Post #AvlSYuCBsbAiIaaW6i by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-07-03T18:23:57.240059Z
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@sun mandatory "offline mode" in videogames!
(DIR) Post #AvlSaExABlT6y1CBhw by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:24:14.429543Z
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@kura it's often not practical to release the actual server but not preventing people from re-implementing servers and make the game configurable to use arbitrary servers is a fine requirement
(DIR) Post #AvlSvn9mDTNz81N7qq by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:28:07.807941Z
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@kura there are many reasons why releasing the actual server without releasing the entire source code is basically impossible
(DIR) Post #AvlTF27CpDBn1WLPyS by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:31:36.833097Z
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@kura my issue is that the detractors have a few valid points but nearly 100% of the dialog is by people with no experience developing or deploying software who don't take the points seriously and it's really annoying
(DIR) Post #AvlTPkNT76jdCF3mVc by birdulon@shpposter.club
2025-07-03T18:33:30.182598Z
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@sun @kura My favourite excuse is "it would be too hard for people to run anyway, it's ten services split across big iron with esoteric hardcoded environment requirements." Meanwhile, when Genshin Impact server binaries got leaked, people managed to get things self-hostable very very quickly despite missing critical db things that weren't included in the leaks.
(DIR) Post #AvlTgUIO9vQuF4fNhY by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:36:34.697944Z
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@birdulon @kura it is a valid excuse and the fact that you can find one game where it wasn't so bad means very little. you encode this in law and now you have people suing in the EU because the release wasn't easy enough and characterized as malicious compliance.
(DIR) Post #AvlTpO2AoCS1QdKE40 by birdulon@shpposter.club
2025-07-03T18:38:07.954928Z
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@sun @kura It's difficult because the well has been poisoned by maliciously bad points, making an inherently unsympathetic position even more unsympathetic.
(DIR) Post #AvlTse2rjh1txHCdBg by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:38:46.360311Z
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@kura basically this is the place in the middle where I am planting myself, there are some things you could require that are reasonable but you're giving it to legislators and bureaucrats that are going to make something that carries serious risks and obligations to comply with
(DIR) Post #AvlTukmle8zTRHg7ma by i@declin.eu
2025-07-03T18:39:06.913204Z
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@birdulon @kura @sun can't believe a tiny indie company like microsoft+activision+blizzard will have to shut down wow of warcraft now, don't you know it's literally impossible to run a private server, no matter how many lawsuits against homebrew dedicated server hosters showing the opposite there have been?
(DIR) Post #AvlTvDbQVO9MoVaydE by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:39:13.939815Z
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@birdulon @kura I absolutely hate that pirate software guy
(DIR) Post #AvlTymNvdrfRYdyom8 by ElDeadKennedy@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:39:53.800935Z
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@sun @birdulon @kura he's such a retarded nepo baby larper
(DIR) Post #AvlU0zwkBvv4CIK3Yu by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:40:17.378233Z
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@i @kura @birdulon I said in a previous post that allowing people to reimplement server software without being sued is a suitable middle ground
(DIR) Post #AvlU4jvhgQwBgFcV9M by ElDeadKennedy@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:40:58.465592Z
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@sun @birdulon @kura all of his followers are probably as retarded, mindlessly subscribing to anything the algorithm pushes
(DIR) Post #AvlUCgnFEE6SGmSCuW by birdulon@shpposter.club
2025-07-03T18:42:20.947421Z
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@sun @kura I should clarify, the leaked server binaries absolutely were the mess of "works on my machine" that any reasonably cynical dev expected. And yet.
(DIR) Post #AvlUNmSSVWH31Y1K1w by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:44:24.407333Z
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@birdulon @kura yeah the community will do the work so it's not an excuse to provide nothing but under a legal requirement this might not be considered good enough. the EU just passes bullshit vague requirements then selectively punishes arbitraryly-defined non-compliance
(DIR) Post #AvlUOPY9AIzsGTyuoK by birdulon@shpposter.club
2025-07-03T18:44:28.425024Z
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@sun @i @kura I want them to be able to accept donations and even payment for reimplementing server software.
(DIR) Post #AvlUdQKAZG050jbOmO by ElDeadKennedy@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:47:14.454908Z
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@birdulon @kura @sun
(DIR) Post #AvlVIIrnCSYPkop1zk by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T18:54:36.383178Z
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@Arwalk @i @kura @birdulon it's probably not even documented internally
(DIR) Post #AvlWIaAkxOrVNiOC5w by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:05:51.583624Z
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@Arwalk @i @kura @birdulon I support the minimal interpretation of the initiative but EU law is a monkey paw
(DIR) Post #AvlWq7SMEHFMALc6fQ by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:11:55.171201Z
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@Arwalk @i @kura @birdulon its completely connected because people are asking for a law and most people advocting for it don't realize how unrealistic their version of expectation is
(DIR) Post #AvlXYzgNyjU35TZals by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:20:03.508721Z
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@sun @Arwalk @birdulon @i @kura EU law is a monkey's paw, but it's the only paw available. Or do you want to try to make a case for #stopkillinggames in the copyright maximalist environment that is the US? You need to start applying pressure somewhere or you may as well say goodbye to ownership rights over digital goods.
(DIR) Post #AvlXehi3iNA95B4vWi by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:21:04.880388Z
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@Noraweed @Arwalk @birdulon @i @kura something needs to be donethis is "something"now you have two problems
(DIR) Post #AvlYAB98Jt4NM7kb5s by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:26:46.753109Z
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@sun @Arwalk @birdulon @i @kura So what's your solution to the first problem then? Let it fester?
(DIR) Post #AvlYLi6i70yKlf7G5I by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:28:51.125998Z
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@Noraweed @Arwalk @birdulon @i @kura I support passing a small and targeted requirement that consumers can take any personal action needed to keep their games working after the main developer stops support.
(DIR) Post #AvlYlNSLVycgFUTVC4 by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:33:29.564907Z
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@sun @Arwalk @birdulon @i @kura And that's one of the propsed solutions in the initiative. But for big petitions like this you need vagueness otherwise the bureaucrats will tell you to fuck off. And good luck passing that in the US. As I said, copyright maximalism. "You can't fix your game. That's bypassing our copy protections."
(DIR) Post #Avm9Na2qksCKe846Mq by birdulon@shpposter.club
2025-07-04T02:23:43.549981Z
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@sun @i @kura @Arwalk Very few people are going to actually understand the full stack of the problem here, and none of them are going to be in this thread. Luckily, that's not a requirement to demand action.Everything right now is about guessing what the future is going to look like. We recently saw gacha games forced to show realworld pricing on screens where you spend the in-game currency that was invented to deliberately obscure the connection to your realworld spending. I was happily offline leading up to that, but I can imagine any number of complaints about how "complex" and "hard to comply" it is — and this applied to existing live service games!So from my perspective, there's a recent example of EU regulating videogames that worked. From your perspective it may have only worked because of a dangerous vague overreach which may be used to extort corporations in the future, I think this is an acceptable trade-off.Burdens like this naturally fall on the bigger and most exploitative entities. My problem with regulations is the tendency to screw the little guy to benefit the big guy, I am quite optimistic that the opposite is going to happen here, regardless of any "indie developer dreaming big on a live service project legally entangled with outsourced middleware everywhere" scenario people want to imagine.
(DIR) Post #AvmP1re4EfCm818klM by besserwisser@shitposter.world
2025-07-04T05:19:07.958967Z
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@sun @birdulon @kura Once you implement this, there will absolutely be attempts by corporations to maliciously comply. Even games made way before the legislation wouldn't be safe from attempts or accusations, since they could make it more difficult on purpose retroactively.I am hopeful this will make having several servers for different folks more feasible again. Insert that meme with people playing on hosted servers with unique communities back then vs giant servers with online matchmaking today.
(DIR) Post #Avmh7CUJy5l7OUH9Hc by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-07-04T08:41:44.591845Z
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@sun @kura That is rarely the case, but if that is the case, they can just release the source code under a free license (there is not excuse not to, as it's not like copies of the game will be available for sale).
(DIR) Post #AvmhdDJIRlOPD7NsBc by Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-07-04T08:47:34.036435Z
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@Suiseiseki @sun @kura I think they wouldnt release software because it sets precedence and expectation that software will be free at the end of life. Also their backdoor may be found.
(DIR) Post #AvmhzSvx2Wgs2L4iOG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-07-04T08:51:31.802980Z
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@Pi_rat @kura @sun The software wouldn't be free at the end of life - as only the server code would be free.It's not really that hard to remove the backdoor from the source code.