Post AvWa9MFhLDFcHbnqpk by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #AvUSbd9kti92rx4eYq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T13:34:20.616Z
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I'm not a fan of the "Stop Killing Games" campaign mostly because it doesn't address any of the real issues with proprietary software and copyright law in the first place.This campaign is solving an issue that doesn't exist in the free software world, where anyone can fork any project when the original developer stops supporting it. This is a problem unique to proprietary software.Especially things like calling people who enjoy video games "consumers" and equivocating works of art as a "product" makes me cringe.But I did sign the initiative anyway, because even though it does not do what anything close to what I would want, it still pisses off the proprietary techno-autocrats a lot. So I'll take that as a small win.
(DIR) Post #AvUSkwBpV7eCVTTxOy by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T13:36:05.330045Z
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@SuperDicq Having all the software be free software is currently such a pipedream that it's not gonna happen. You need to have small steps like these winning before you can even possibly even reach that goal in the future
(DIR) Post #AvUT0KR3deg82xwaaO by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-06-25T13:38:51.066050Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq the op is peak freetard mindset holy shit
(DIR) Post #AvUT4FJKdLsvJNCLmS by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T13:39:31.099Z
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When you buy a video game (or any software) it should come with the source code and a license granting you the four freedom.If it does not do these things the developer has unjust power over you.Even if a proprietary game comes with an "end of life plan", such as a patch that makes it run offline, or a server binary so you can selfhost it, is still a proprietary video game that can screw you in a million other ways.
(DIR) Post #AvUTGCDbxMb9CDDkEy by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T13:41:40.086Z
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@coolboymew@shitposter.world As I said I did sign to take this very small win, but I still feel like this should be mentioned as well.
(DIR) Post #AvUTQmHshxnVxQGPyK by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T13:43:36.341Z
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@coolboymew@shitposter.world Any regulation that restricts ways in which proprietary software developers can screw over their users is a good regulation, but it solves like one millionth of the problem.
(DIR) Post #AvUTY3Ey4kRYYzMxXs by VD15@pl.valkyrie.world
2025-06-25T13:44:49.812850Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq I don't understand the attitude that a lot of free software people seem to have where they're unwilling to accept small steps in the right direction because it's not a complete capitulation to free software doctrine.
(DIR) Post #AvUTa5jplA04tCmO9I by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T13:45:16.901Z
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@VD15@pl.valkyrie.world @coolboymew@shitposter.world Do you have a reading comprehension? I said I signed the damn thing
(DIR) Post #AvUTnnNunJWS1N3szg by VD15@pl.valkyrie.world
2025-06-25T13:47:37.585166Z
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@SuperDicq @coolboymew Didn't say I was talking about you specifically. Just something that I've observed watching these kinds of arguments unfold on my TL time and time again.
(DIR) Post #AvUUxOeNi9Go9tuDRo by Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-25T14:00:45.236996Z
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@SuperDicq I did think about how there are not many free games and whatever there are, are clones of famous proprietary versions, not that it is wrong, not that it is wrong. I like mindustry far more than factorio graphics and gameplay both, almost completed xonotic's campaign and some tuxcart. Reason I see for it is there are not many free software devs and they are busy with more important projects. (i typed this message 3 times because using emacs commands to move refreshed the page)
(DIR) Post #AvUabGPsFAfjyXwvRI by moth_ball@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T15:03:58.918445Z
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@SuperDicq What world are you living in? You want to abolish all IP rights next? :rinbook:
(DIR) Post #AvUahPBsXArQvTKd1M by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T15:05:02.129Z
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@moth_ball@shitposter.world I live in the world of free software. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
(DIR) Post #AvUbK7MUkrOIvOkzlw by prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer
2025-06-25T15:11:59.054668Z
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@moth_ball @SuperDicq I want to abolish IP for software yes
(DIR) Post #AvUe3vYZB8bHXZNIEy by moth_ball@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T15:42:46.019654Z
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@prettygood @SuperDicq good luck with that I guess
(DIR) Post #AvUiShRDCxX2oC0Dke by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-25T16:32:01.162Z
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@moth_ball@shitposter.world @prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer My torrent client vs. five million """IP""" lawyers
(DIR) Post #AvUv8j5ydPR5YssOcy by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T18:54:08.174798Z
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@SuperDicq Ditto. Tried to speak with the people via email.
(DIR) Post #AvUviy1kb0BQITBFVA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:00:40.859731Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq >that it's not gonna happenRepeating that isn't gonna happen either. Not asking for basic human rights in the digital space won't make them appear either.>You need to have small steps like theseI agree. And you can't do otherwise tbh. Such change requires massive change in the understanding of human nature. People need to think about thinking and that's sadly not a thing people do often.>before you can even possibly even reach that goal in the futureYou also have to acknowledged the double edged sword it can be. The moment people think they have it good the opposition will do anything they can to take it back/make it worse.That's notably why you have to also spread the concepts of software freedom, because when people will again be fucked they won't know in which way to oppose it again.They won't agree first of course, it's seen as "extreme" from their point of time/perspective, but when you get fucked again, what you saw as extreme might be less or not be extreme anymore.
(DIR) Post #AvUvvVrMdK9IhYIwKG by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:02:57.175275Z
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@VD15 @SuperDicq @coolboymew Because it's a doubled edged sword, see my previous post in the thread.https://shitposter.world/notice/AvUvisQrFJHNcFpA00
(DIR) Post #AvUwsC8raRmadKTHgO by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:13:33.269922Z
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@Pi_rat @SuperDicq People in the free/libre software community aren't asking for software/games as gratis but as something that gives you the same legal rights you have on physical objects/tools like a hammer.>Reason I see for it is there are not many free software devs and they are busy with more important projects. We have a lack of manpower you don't know how bad it is.People working on free/libre games do it for fun/love in most cases.Commercial or even crowdfunded free/libre games are a rarity.Commercially speaking only the assets/art/trademark are sell able, if you want to base your commercial model on consumerism.But that requires massive investments money from the start as you need to have a finished products.You can base your project on crowdfunding too, steam and other similar platforms enabled more or that form of economicalYou don't have to have a finished product to start but you need a playable beta.Even in that model you can still have assets/art/trademark system with GPLv3 code. In both cases you are legally protected that nobody can "violate" your art/trademark.
(DIR) Post #AvUydj0rI7TO93xHX6 by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:33:20.318995Z
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@mangeurdenuage @VD15 @SuperDicq it's not, you're simply not getting shit if you want to go to the finish line immediately
(DIR) Post #AvUzUxjHJ3o58S7LvM by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:42:58.465001Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq @VD15 >if you want to go to the finish line immediatelySee pics.And like I said. If you don't present what can also be people won't know about what can be either. That didn't stop me from signing and chatting with the people in question.I'm sorry to insist but this is déja vue territory.What I'm describing is not new, that's how the KGB/CIA worked in the cold war when they tried to make changes to a country.Of course it's not the only way they used, I'm speaking of a purely legal/intellectual level.The steps you speak off are real in any case. But you have to create possible new steps for people to choose for further change to happen.If you say it's not worth mentioning at all those other possible steps then no one will ever want to try them as they are unknown.It's a logical fallacy that only advantages one side, and I let you guess who that advantage is too.
(DIR) Post #AvUzzUtKZhdSfoNbuK by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:48:29.160471Z
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@mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq @VD15 it's simply not happening then
(DIR) Post #AvV0QMgrAtZ73ZMAlM by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:53:20.962923Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq @VD15 If your wish is to give the advantage to the opposition then yes it's not happening.
(DIR) Post #AvV0bEU41foMn4YTOi by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:55:18.453474Z
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@mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq @VD15 you know what? I'll stop sharing this, less troubles
(DIR) Post #AvV0dQxAdTu22jDdeC by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-25T19:55:42.692105Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq @VD15 bruh
(DIR) Post #AvVkAnDzLfoWbrMmcC by Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-26T04:25:57.253314Z
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@mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq >We have a lack of manpower you don't know how bad it is.I should stop dillydallying, giving in to adhd and lock inIm not very interested in making normie friendly games, but maybe that can change very rapidly.
(DIR) Post #AvWX053LcObWTJuXD6 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-26T13:33:01.069437Z
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@prettygood @SuperDicq @moth_ball You cannot abolish something that does not exist.It would be a disaster if copyright was to suddenly be abolished for software, as restrictive contract terms and withholding of source code are quite effective at ensuring software remains proprietary even without copyright, while the defences of copyleft licenses would disappear.After total proprietary death is implemented, abolishing copyright law for software would be fine.
(DIR) Post #AvWXWMBhRnFCsgCxXM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-26T13:38:51.351Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer @moth_ball@shitposter.world Literally all we would need is a simple law that mandates that all published software must have its source code available. And when that happens we can abolish copyright and all software will be free.
(DIR) Post #AvWYoqMC7KbrcFUngG by BasedLunatic@annihilation.social
2025-06-26T13:53:26.381484Z
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@moth_ball @SuperDicq IP rights are the main feature of the matrix we live and surveillance state regarding digital life. The pipeline to proprietary tech to intelligence agencies is rreal
(DIR) Post #AvWa9MFhLDFcHbnqpk by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-26T14:08:18.918776Z
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@SuperDicq @prettygood @moth_ball Unfortunately, such kind of simple law won't work, as there are endless obfuscation techniques and ways to pretend that source has been provided when it has not been in a complicated enough matter that it would require someone who knows how to use build scripts and read source code to work out - which are skills legislators tend not to have.For such kind of law to work, it would require the founding of a nuclear armed, ICBM-capable GNU state that pledges to nuke any and all businesses who don't release the real source code for published software.
(DIR) Post #AvWb4OO84X1ZPiwVtY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-26T14:18:36.506Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer @moth_ball@shitposter.world Obviously such a law would be a little bit more complicated than how I wrote it. The source code obviously needs to be not obfuscated and it needs to be compilable.
(DIR) Post #AvWcVe2W5XwTjFOOWG by Haijo7@snac.haijo.eu
2025-06-26T14:24:48Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo i like what id software did with doom. they released the source code, but not the levels, graphics, etc.more devs should do this
(DIR) Post #AvWcVfJZLdB1gQNWjo by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-26T14:34:41.811Z
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@Haijo7@snac.haijo.eu Unfortunately they only did this up until Doom 3. The newer Doom games did not get a free software release.
(DIR) Post #AvWdEkTozR7MjbfgGG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-26T14:42:54.252170Z
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@Haijo7 @SuperDicq ID software took more than a decade to release the source code for DOOM I under a free license.It was a nasty move to put the DOOM I levels and graphics under a proprietary license after so long, considering that there was no excuse for doing so - as as much profit as possible has already been extracted from that game (id software no longer accepts payments for copies - they only bundle it in later doom games).
(DIR) Post #AvWdSYcFteU5zeCVFY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-26T14:45:22.030Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Haijo7@snac.haijo.eu I'm personally not extremely put off by nonfree non-code data (of course free would be preferable, but I don't consider it a dealbreaker).Thankfully many versions of DOOM I exist that replace the proprietary levels and graphics.
(DIR) Post #AvWpwUAiBRhmLaM3AO by sunbeam_rider@social.silosneeded.com
2025-06-26T17:05:17.990382Z
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@SuperDicqOf course, but it's all about shifting the overton window. Asking for corporations to not violate the 4 freedoms seems unreasonable now. In the future? Who knows...