Post Av1Q0NblGrOX4CcgCW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #Av0f1ipf9L4FKvGNt2 by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-10T23:30:49Z
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Me parece muy curioso como parte de la comunidad no es pro #Software_Libre, sino pro #GNU. Argumentan que defienden el SL, pero realmente lo único que hacen es tratar de meter a GNU como si cupiera en todos lados.Como miembro y contribuyente del proyecto GNU, les invito a que analicemos nuestros discursos, y nos fijemos en si nuestro mensaje es de difusión de todo el Software Libre, o si sólo estamos siendo fanboys y fangirls de GNU.#freesoftware #softwarelibre #fediverse
(DIR) Post #Av0f1k6MQk1DH05EYK by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T04:00:20Z
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@autumn64 It may seem like that but I assure you it is not really true. That happens to be the case because most GNU projects adhere to free software ideals, if they don't, you will find free software fans complaining about it.Most popular free software projects nowadays market themselves as open source, which often makes a mockery of free software by making it about things about than freedoms (mostly to cater to corporate interests).Look at the Linux kernel: non free blobs.Who cares? GNU does, so you have: GNU Linux-libre.No one else really cares, so why do you find it surprising that free software fans like GNU?
(DIR) Post #Av1PKrkcoH3iOIyPei by d1cor@mstdn.io
2025-06-10T23:42:03Z
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@autumn64 Me ha pasado de publicar contenido relativo a #Linux, y que me caigan dos o tres a decirme que se llama "GNU/Linux", cuando en realidad yo estaba hablando específicamente del núcleo.Entiendo las razones por las que mencionan "GNU/Linux" pero no todo en el mundo libre es #GNU.
(DIR) Post #Av1PKsjFAtY3QJKp8q by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T03:54:08Z
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@d1cor @autumn64 Calling Linux an operating system is just factually wrong.
(DIR) Post #Av1PVtNZ652AcrRefw by eris
2025-06-11T13:13:08.752579Z
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@tusharhero @d1cor @autumn64 linux is the os. gnu is just a bunch of programs that doesnt make it an os
(DIR) Post #Av1PgoXZQYIanwKhlI by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T13:14:36Z
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@eris @autumn64 @d1cor OK, believe whatever you want.
(DIR) Post #Av1Q0KXkfJP9Ytiw2C by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-11T05:44:38Z
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@tusharhero You totally missed the point of my post.
(DIR) Post #Av1Q0LyjKUZy0rLziy by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T05:47:16Z
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@autumn64 Maybe there was something lost in translation, would you care to explain?
(DIR) Post #Av1Q0Mn4JKqSWyuCBc by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-11T05:50:17Z
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@tusharhero My point was complaining about the people who talk as though GNU was the only free software on Earth, because it's not.
(DIR) Post #Av1Q0NblGrOX4CcgCW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-11T13:18:32.474004Z
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@autumn64 @tusharhero GNU is the only non-trivial free software OS on Earth, as they are the only group that has put effort into ensuring that the software is always available in source form, each and every nontrivial file is licensed under a free license and any proprietary software accidentally included is promptly removed.If you look at any other non-trivial OS, you will find proprietary program after proprietary program, unlicensed files and many other problems.Other free software projects do exist, although many that could be free software fall short, as they contain unlicensed files.GNU doesn't hide the existence of such projects - they go into the effort of documenting all of such programs; https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page (the instance is hosted by the FSF, but GNU people contribute to it).
(DIR) Post #Av1Q2Msgwd1POKURAO by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-11T05:46:26Z
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@tusharhero But Diego literally said he was talking about the kernel. And fyi calling GNU/Linux a kernel (unless it's GNU/Linux-libre) is just factually wrong.@d1cor
(DIR) Post #Av1Q2NrJJFVkQKqqeW by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T05:49:35Z
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@autumn64 @d1cor Oh, my bad. I didn't read it properly. You are correct about GNU/Linux not being a kernel. Calling GNU/Linux-libre a kernel is also wrong, as the kernel is called GNU Linux-libre.
(DIR) Post #Av1QU5F67NkYnKBabo by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T05:51:24Z
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@autumn64 Well, some people could like GNU just because they like the operating system's facilities too. What is wrong with that?
(DIR) Post #Av1QU6IKCrvS3chgHI by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-11T05:52:21Z
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@tusharhero Read again my previous response please.
(DIR) Post #Av1QU7brJj948UqnMe by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2025-06-11T05:53:37Z
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@autumn64 Stick GNU where exactly? I do not understand, it feels like you are complaining about people promoting GNU (I do not see what's wrong about that). It would be helpful if you provided examples.
(DIR) Post #Av1QU87lP6fLjRmH5s by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-11T05:56:37Z
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@tusharhero I'm not complaining about people promoting GNU as I'm a GNU contributor myself, I'm complaining because people were getting mad over a meme that was posted earlier and it included Linux logo but not GNU logo, which honestly to me was alright because I don't think you'd call Alpine Linux a GNU/Linux distribution, and people were making a whole drama out of it instead of just enjoying the meme.
(DIR) Post #Av1QU8a7hfLp9P2vIW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-11T13:23:53.801126Z
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@autumn64 @tusharhero Alpine is a BusyBox/Linux distro.BusyBox is an inferior and severely limited clone of GNU that also contains some GNU code copy-pasted.The Alpine build system is dependent on many GNU programs and the typical desktop use case starts off with installing parts of GNU, as things are clearly missing (although the user may not realize that they installed parts of GNU).If you are making a meme about GNU/Linux and you know that GNU exists, it would be unacceptable to include tux, but not a GNU (even though it is a bit heretical to put a proprietary penguin next to GNU - I put a Freedo next to GNU personally).
(DIR) Post #Av1QvwQqT8IfZrxrBg by d1cor@mstdn.io
2025-06-11T13:29:02Z
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@tusharhero @eris There are well-founded opinions on this, depending on the strict definition of “operating system” concept, but that is not the discussion point here.@autumn64
(DIR) Post #Av1QwDpDnktrWOV42i by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-06-11T13:29:01.963179Z
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@autumn64 Fuck off, troon
(DIR) Post #Av1RRWMyu4cQ0tDQ0G by BionicNigga@poa.st
2025-06-11T13:34:43.968804Z
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@Suiseiseki @autumn64 @tusharhero ok GNoomer
(DIR) Post #Av1RxGAcfS5H2SZKy0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-11T13:40:27.738133Z
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@eris @autumn64 @tusharhero @d1cor It's amazing that people keep making the ultimate false claim that GNU isn't an OS, but Linux is.If you go to; https://gnu.org/software/ you will find the; GNU GRUB OS, the GNU Emacs OS, the GNU boot BIOS, the GNU Linux-libre kernel, the GNU Hurd kernel and the Guix GNU/Linux-libre distribution and everything else you need to operate a computer in freedom.You can proceed to install GNU boot and GNU Guix and nothing else and then you have the ultimate GNU OS.Meanwhile, if you go to https://kernel.org/ all you'll find is proprietary copies of Linux and if you install that and nothing else, you'll get a non-operating computer (as it'll panic() on boot).
(DIR) Post #Av1RzWWQqKiOKdqjOi by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-11T13:40:52.792745Z
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@BionicNigga @autumn64 @tusharhero I'm a GNUmer.
(DIR) Post #Av1SjQh8qCKDa0kTDM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-06-11T13:49:05.246Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @eris@fsebugoutzone.org @autumn64@mast.lat @tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz @d1cor@mstdn.io Also it's called kernel.org and not operatingsystem.org for a reason.
(DIR) Post #Av1XJ5GeNs1RMkc96u by psilonaut@idtech.space
2025-06-11T14:40:26.346001Z
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@eris @autumn64 @tusharhero @d1cor The power of kernel combined with the might of bunch of softwareTogether they are operating/system
(DIR) Post #Av1kBMYJXB1g3sWbUe by autumn64@mast.lat
2025-06-11T17:04:41Z
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@eris I'm sorry but you're wrong. Linux is just a kernel and can't even boot by itself; it needs a userspace library and an init system so that it can be called a full OS, but by itself is just a kernel and nothing more.@tusharhero @d1cor
(DIR) Post #Av1lntQLrnCEy9jkwK by eris
2025-06-11T17:22:54.574922Z
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@autumn64 @tusharhero @d1cor SUFFERIN SUCKETASH
(DIR) Post #Av3WdDs2Oe5KCY3pPU by nathanielfreeman@hostux.social
2025-06-11T15:41:36Z
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@autumn64 Hace ya muchos años que suelo ver lo contrario, gente hablando de #softwarelibre, muchas veces llamandolo de forma ignorante #codigoabierto y #linux, sin tener ni puta idea de qué es #GNU y de que gracias a GNU y a #RichardStallman tienen libertad en su informatica.
(DIR) Post #Av3WdEkz6M2Mwxli3U by moribundo@hispagatos.space
2025-06-11T17:08:14Z
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@nathanielfreeman ¿Cómo llamariamos a los Linux que no dependen de GNU? @autumn64
(DIR) Post #Av3WdFJN2VXifbrAeW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-12T13:42:13.731808Z
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@moribundo @nathanielfreeman @autumn64 The kernel, Linux wouldn't have been the slightest bit possible without GNU and you still cannot even compile Linux without GNU.Meanwhile, GNU works without Linux.
(DIR) Post #AvK0b2tmKCcakP6zpI by freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-13T18:07:48.881967Z
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@moribundo Las distribuciones que utilizan Linux pero no incluyen GNU no tienen un nombre universal. Esto se debe a que existen múltiples reimplementaciones (inferiores) de las herramientas de GNU, como BusyBox, que es utilizada, por ejemplo, en Alpine, formando una distribución BusyBox/Linux.Por otro lado, aunque estas distribuciones intentan prescindir de GNU, tanto Linux como BusyBox siguen dependiendo de componentes del sistema GNU para ser compilados. GNU coreutils es solo uno de los 386 paquetes del sistema GNU. En el caso de Linux, no solo se requiere GCC, sino también, entre otros: GNU make, GNU binutils, GNU bash, GNU bc, GNU bison, GNU ncurses, GNU coreutils, GNU cpio, GNU libtool, GNU autotools y GNU gettext.Aunque algunos desarrolladores —como los de Alpine— buscan eliminar por completo la dependencia de GNU, lo cierto es que aún deben recurrir a herramientas del sistema GNU, como GCC y otras librerías, para poder compilar el software de manera funcional. De lo contrario, su distribución sería un experimento con serias limitaciones para un uso real.
(DIR) Post #AvK0i2s0pT5GgbciKO by moribundo@hispagatos.space
2025-06-13T19:33:41Z
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@freetar pero obvias musl, que no es gcc, no usa glibc si no libc, entre otras, en el caso de Alpine, Void y Gentoo, estas 2 últimas opcionales.
(DIR) Post #AvK0i3uAyuPPtbdxL6 by freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-06-14T17:59:49.809564Z
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@moribundo Musl no reemplaza a GCC, sino a glibc. Es una implementación de la libc, distinta e inferior a glibc.La versión de Void GNU/Linux con musl continúa siendo un sistema basado en GNU, ya que, pese a usar musl en lugar de glibc, incluye por defecto numerosos programas del Proyecto GNU, entre ellos: GNU Bash, GNU coreutils, GNU findutils, GNU grep, GNU sed, GNU awk, GNU tar, GNU gzip, GNU diffutils, GNU patch, GNU binutils, GNU Make, GNU gettext, GNU ncurses, entre otros.Por su parte, Gentoo también constituye un sistema GNU. Su tarball base (stage3) no incluye Linux, sino un conjunto mínimo de utilidades, en su mayoría pertenecientes al Proyecto GNU. De forma predeterminada, stage3 incluye: GNU Bash, GNU coreutils, GNU grep, GNU sed, GNU awk, GNU Make, GNU diffutils, GNU patch, GNU tar, GNU gzip, GNU binutils, GCC, entre otros.En cuanto a Alpine BusyBox/Linux, es cierto que prescinde del software de GNU, utilizando musl como libc y BusyBox como reemplazo inferior de las utilidades de GNU. Sin embargo, la distribución se compila con herramientas del Proyecto GNU, como GCC, GNU binutils, y en muchos casos también GNU Make y GNU Bash.Además, BusyBox no puede compilarse adecuadamente sin GCC. Algunas de sus utilidades incluyen código copiado directamente de las versiones GNU correspondientes. También, BusyBox está licenciado bajo una licencia del Proyecto GNU. Por ello, aunque Alpine BusyBox/Linux intente minimizar la dependencia de GNU en su base, no existe una independencia completa.Finalmente, en la práctica, muchos usuarios de distribuciones BusyBox/Linux terminan instalando software de GNU (como GNU Bash, GNU coreutils, GNU tar, GNU grep, et cétera). A menudo esto pasa inadvertido, ya que se tiende a pensar que GNU es un único paquete, cuando en realidad abarca casi 400 paquetes.