Post AuXPqUEx4Kg0BtWpfs by rriemann@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #AuXPqJZoiPpZ7QCqAa by eu_os@eupolicy.social
2025-05-27T08:26:09Z
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6 days until #EU_OS at Paris #HackDays: EU OS is a so-called atomic operating system that offers interruption free software updates thanks to #bootc (bootable container) technology. While people work, bootc downloads and installs unnoticeable to the user the update. After the next computer restart (trigged by the user), EU OS switches to the new version. If something breaks, the user can roll back. 1/2#Linux #DigitalSovereignty #Microsoft #Windows #Trump #Khan #Tariffs #sysadmin #endof10
(DIR) Post #AuXPqKbGuUaYIDtW4m by Linux@mk.absturztau.be
2025-05-27T15:29:02.633Z
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@eu_os@eupolicy.social But unless you hard fork, or start something independent - You are still subject to USA shenanigans, if the upstream is American.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqLd55Fd7U7kTXE by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T15:32:26Z
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@Linux @eu_os Please check on this matter:https://eu-os.eu/faq#sovereignty
(DIR) Post #AuXPqMEepXghMfKU6a by Linux@mk.absturztau.be
2025-05-27T16:13:22.351Z
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@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social That's great, but it is incorrect.You want something outside US Jurisdiction? https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction/src/branch/main/Operating_System.md
(DIR) Post #AuXPqN1vsL6RpUNpuS by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T16:24:57Z
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@Linux @eu_os What is incorrect? Can you be more specific?#ReactOS uses US-based Github.https://github.com/reactos/reactosI think that's ok if the exit cost is low. Same for #EU_OS. Once people start using it, they may consider to have a build server in the EU. Do we now need to change the architecture because of this? I do not think so.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqNeDZzjBkEIPaK by Linux@mk.absturztau.be
2025-05-27T16:31:07.371Z
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@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social The mindset behind it is incorrect.You want to be outside Us Jurisdiction? Notice: The nature of open source software means contributors of code, financial support, and repository mirrors, may come from anywhere, world-wide. This list focuses on the organization or group, and their registered jurisdiction, or if not registered, their implied jurisdiction.https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction/src/branch/main/Operating_System.mdReactOS, is not the only one listed, but since you bring them up current ReactOS is one distro that uses GitHub, but they can leave GitHub. Fedora, cannot escape the USA. #EU_OS #UsJurisdiction
(DIR) Post #AuXPqOa079wsdRKYeO by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T16:36:40Z
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@Linux @eu_os I think it would be helpful if in your text on your codeberg account, you introduce the problem better that you identified and how you think it should be solved.I understand that you prefer if a legal entity is registered in the EU. I tell you that Microsoft has Microsoft Ltd. in Dublin. This alone is not enough to keep the exist costs low.A number of bright people from across the world have thought previously about these questions. The outcome is #almalinux and #RockyLinux.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqPSErVKlLehsBs by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T16:40:29Z
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@Linux @eu_os You write further "you want to be outside US jurisdiction?" It sounds as if I have written this somewhere. Did I?Your proposals seem to promote protectionism. I like to find an approach that also works for South America/Africa/etc.How many legal entities does the Linux kernel project require? One per continent? One per country?
(DIR) Post #AuXPqQ4AaTfvFISAJU by Linux@mk.absturztau.be
2025-05-27T16:43:47.895Z
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@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social I have provided a list of operating systems that would just fine for people living in South America, Africa, etc. " Your proposals seem to promote protectionism."YES -- Just as you would protect yourself from using an operating system reliant on China or Russia, I think you should protect yourself from an operating system reliant on the United States. You'll notice, I do not recommend Deepin Linux, for example, the same way you do not. #EU_OS #Europe #SouthAmerica #Africa #Asia #Linux
(DIR) Post #AuXPqR9AZNGib5nfkG by eu_os@eupolicy.social
2025-05-27T08:26:09Z
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2/2 No longer bad surprises during an important meeting or talk!Free and open source software (#FLOSS) offers the right to modify software, which can boost innovation for more efficient and robust solutions.Learn more at https://eu-os.eu
(DIR) Post #AuXPqRUnGyZ9g9uwS0 by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T16:47:36Z
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@Linux @eu_os So to have a debate on #DigitalSovereignty, the definition is of course important and I have no specific one to offer, because it is a difficult topic.Obviously, the (implied) local jurisdiction is part of your definition.How meaningful is this if all countries wanted to be digital sovereign? Think of horizontal projects such as systemd/kernel.Currently, money and experts are rare and investments must be strategic. #EU_OS cannot fork everything.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqSMg2dfSNH7yRE by Linux@mk.absturztau.be
2025-05-27T16:51:49.334Z
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@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social You know, going forward, it is my intention to actively campaign against EU_OS. - Sorry. I do not believe you have, currently, the best intentions, and I believe your concept is misleading in a false sense of security. You can, choose to become independent, as others have, NixOS, for example. Or you're just promoting an American operating system, rebranded. I would not recommend your OS, anymore than I would recommend China's Deepin Linux or Russia's Astra Linux.You seem to want to ignore this obvious point, and so I do not believe you're acting in good faith. #EU_OS #Europe #NixOS #Linux #UsJurisdiction
(DIR) Post #AuXPqTXhf8581lIIGO by neo@social.hacktheplanet.be
2025-05-27T22:23:58Z
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@Linux @rriemann @eu_os I agree with the point raised about #NixOS and have suggested looking into this a few times wrt EU OS. Using #Nix as build tool really is a very unique approach to building a Linux based OS and completely cuts out the notion of a “distribution”. It takes a more direct path from the upstream source code (kernel, systemd, …) to a working OS. Thus entirely sidestepping the raised concerns about another distro used as a base.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqUEx4Kg0BtWpfs by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T22:41:59Z
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@neo @Linux @eu_os We have an open PR in the EU OS gitlab at https://gitlab.com/eu-os/eu-os.gitlab.io/-/merge_requests/6 .Why don't you collect the arguments there?I am still afraid NixOS may not yet be battle-tested in the public sector. I'd like to add an example to https://eu-os.eu/use-cases#notable-migrations if you have one.Who is using #NixOS on the desktop with some 1000 users in a corporate environment?
(DIR) Post #AuXPqV9ffS2x1o485A by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-05-28T01:55:04.228Z
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@rriemann@chaos.social @neo@social.hacktheplanet.be @Linux@mk.absturztau.be @eu_os@eupolicy.social So sad to see the EU OS project using a proprietary platform and require yet another account registration on it to participate.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqZ5v1LQDFKLBmy by rriemann@chaos.social
2025-05-27T16:51:54Z
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@Linux @eu_os So if your switch costs or exist costs are low, you may still achieve a substantial improvement for digital sovereignty (for most of its definitions).I am not sure that e.g. ReactOS is cheaper to replace than Fedora. I believe more people in Europe (or Earth except US) are familiar with Fedora than with ReactOS. That's an important factor for the switch/exit costs.
(DIR) Post #AuXPqc1m7CtELLQQFM by neo@social.hacktheplanet.be
2025-05-27T22:33:24Z
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@Linux @rriemann @eu_os I’m not even saying “use NixOS as base”, I am saying use #Nix (the build tool) to build your own #NixOS sibling if you want. In theory one could even build an OS based on #FreeBSD (like Dell’s ThinOS) using a reproducible build tool like Nix (not how Dell does it I assume). This notion of “Linux distributions” is so entrenched but it’s the first dogma that crumbles when looking into Nix. It’s quite refreshing.