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(DIR) Post #Atk3SCoPMDHghjdGEa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-04T06:23:41Z
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Get rid of political time-zones and DST and simply define 6:00am to be sunrise world wide. Each day starts at 6am and counts from there. (If you are really brave let the length of the hour vary by latitude so that sunset is always at 6pm as well. In the winter up north the night hours are simply longer than the daylight hours. But this is too enlightened I think.)We have the technto do this. The first one is very practical. What time is it? How many hours since sunrise in this location +6?
(DIR) Post #Atk3gG3m4w6opcWKbw by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-05-04T06:26:12Z
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@futurebird Well, you bring up tech.As an alternative, how about just automatically adjusting clocks by the minimum amount of time to keep them always aligned with daylight. Instead of ever having DST on/off or any other changes that anyone could see, just tiny adjustments every day (milliseconds per day I guess?) so that it always lines up.That does require modern tech, but we're absolutely at the point we could do it.
(DIR) Post #Atk4BN83qUiRjWMUbY by PeterLG@theblower.au
2025-05-04T06:31:47Z
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@futurebird For an agrarian society, that would make sense.For an internationally-connected, business-based society? Not in the slightest.
(DIR) Post #Atk4TkEUgXdSbJ8DGS by krazykitty@mamot.fr
2025-05-04T06:35:07Z
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@futurebird yes, Roman timekeeping! I've been yearning for that since I learned about it.
(DIR) Post #Atk54YEOGnTe5odLvM by glent@aus.social
2025-05-04T06:41:40Z
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@futurebird Um, shift work.
(DIR) Post #Atk7h1tSdMWv0AJsvI by janbogar@mastodonczech.cz
2025-05-04T07:11:07Z
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@futurebird @futurebird "Good evening from the North Pole - it's 2178:36 PM, and you are listening to the Chill Vibes Radio, broadcasting live from the top of the world..."
(DIR) Post #Atk7rRqczW6cORxkC8 by btuftin@social.coop
2025-05-04T07:12:58Z
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@futurebird As a former and future inhabitant of Norway, and on behalf of everyone close to or above the Arctic circle, no thank you!
(DIR) Post #Atk8n2mWLRe7RoVO4W by GreenSkyOverMe@ohai.social
2025-05-04T07:23:27Z
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@futurebird If the Romans could do it 2000+ years ago we can do it, too
(DIR) Post #Atk8pDrU7WpcOIrl3I by rupert@mastodon.nz
2025-05-04T07:23:49Z
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@futurebird That means my one hour meeting at 1500 UTC with my colleagues in Minneapolis overlaps by over 20 minutes with my meeting at 1600 UTC with my colleagues in Chicago. Not sure that helps anyone.
(DIR) Post #AtkCWevZfJLgeJBNqq by zeborah@mastodon.nz
2025-05-04T08:05:16Z
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@futurebird Hmm, there'd only be one minute difference between my home and my work so that's not so bad, bus timetables can probably fudge it, but Zoom calls with other cities would be a fun scheduling challenge if it's like 9:50 in Dunedin, 10:00 in Christchurch, 10:10 in Wellington, and 10:20 in Auckland. (Examples guesstiproximated but long country is long.)I'm in favour of Universal Earth Time so eg UK noon could be at 12:00, work 9-17, while NZ noon is at 24:00 and work 21-5.
(DIR) Post #AtkDmVM17w1dXqfe5I by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-05-04T08:19:21Z
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@futurebird wasn't this how time worked in Europe before trains?
(DIR) Post #AtkENwRxLesEIOIf4q by TobyBartels@mathstodon.xyz
2025-05-04T08:26:07Z
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@futurebirdOf course we have the tech to do this. The Bronze Age had the tech to do this. We know because they did this (the version with variable hour lengths).
(DIR) Post #AtkEkuxP4490KHxsnI by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-05-04T08:30:19Z
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@futurebird I don't agree. There are millions who always wake at 9am or 10am and have never seen the sunrise, so we should set sunrise to 11am so all those people will see the sunrise for the first time and their minds will totally be blown.
(DIR) Post #AtkLyDdnbpvTiV5K2i by fifokaswiti@social.zocradio.info
2025-05-04T09:51:04Z
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@futurebird Swahili time reckoning works a bit like that, it just counts the hours since sunrise - in practice people subtract 6 from the official time, as in tropical countries sunrise is always around 6am. So noon is 6:00.(I don’t remember how night time is counted)
(DIR) Post #AtkOP0tfIcd5v1PVEu by darkling@mstdn.social
2025-05-04T10:18:22Z
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@futurebird Better: abandon timezones as well. Set midnight to be sidereal midnight on 180° longitude, so in London, the point of highest sun is 00:00, and simply set e.g. the work day to what works best for your country. (So the work day in New York might run from 14.00 to 22.00, with noon at 17.00).Then there'd be no need to worry about "are you 5 hours ahead or behind us?" -- your 18.00 meeting is the same time as my 18.00 meeting, but the sun's in a different position.
(DIR) Post #AtkS1zvl7pYY4ufdbs by pdcawley@mendeddrum.org
2025-05-04T10:59:01Z
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@futurebird The necessary tech? Sundials?We'd still need railway time, of course; that got learned the hard way.
(DIR) Post #AtkUhwjRbkFWEF2aO0 by waltwooton@spartanburg.social
2025-05-04T11:29:01Z
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@futurebirdTrains.
(DIR) Post #AtkZYpcNBi4FKUCqpM by HappytoBe@mastodon.social
2025-05-04T12:23:25Z
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@futurebird Doing business by snail mail, including meetings, takes care of all time difference problems. We don't need technology to solve this problem, just more mail carriers.
(DIR) Post #Atkiu5IH03SZcF0ubw by cshlan@dawdling.net
2025-05-04T14:07:44Z
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@futurebird #monsterdon would be wild 😁
(DIR) Post #AtkjvZT0P0kNRKJ3nE by eswag@dju.social
2025-05-04T14:19:29Z
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@futurebird What about ignoring the annoying dayball and defining a chronotype-based day length? I revert to a 25-26 hour long day. Waking up is always hard unless I wake up later than yesterday.
(DIR) Post #AtkkmuUQyBqpzPPOe8 by MennoWolff@ohai.social
2025-05-04T14:29:12Z
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@futurebird Sorry, but I like to be able to plan a meeting or so, by just saying: how about 9am your time, that's 3pm my time. Not: hey, are you free at 9 your time? Ok, let me get the outlook plug in that will tell me what time that is here. Oh, I see, that's 15:46 my time, that leaves only 14 of my minutes to talk until my next meeting.
(DIR) Post #Atkn0OT51Ta0dcKfxo by soaproot@sfba.social
2025-05-04T14:54:03Z
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@futurebird That's the system (solar time) we had before railroads and telegraphs came in. wanted
(DIR) Post #Atkyeu20Bov3boBa08 by timo21@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-05-04T17:04:34Z
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@futurebird I agree, get rid of time zones. Every time I've proposed this, there was a lack of understanding of the benefits of the concept. So I always close with: Skynet doesn't need time zones.
(DIR) Post #Atlr0BVXnpItPvbJRY by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-05-05T03:13:33Z
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@futurebird I think some ancient time systems were like that (IIRC): The "day" was just sunrise to sunset, and there were a fixed number of periods (e.g., hours) in each day. Their objective length varied by season: an "hour" in summer would be longer than an "hour" in winter.
(DIR) Post #AtltPGWAVope6TypAO by log@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-05-05T03:40:27Z
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@futurebird Mean Julian Day at 0 degrees E/W longitude, to five decimal places. Your clock could be set to signed or unsigned. Signed would use -.50000 to -.00001 for Greenwich mornings, and unsigned would use +.50000 to +.99999 . Depends on whether you want to do your own rounding to see what day number it is. Either way, .00000 to .49999 is Greenwich evening.This is entirely for the convenience of rocket science and astronomy.
(DIR) Post #AtmVgcTpuFjVOqainI by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-05-05T10:49:24Z
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@futurebird let's just get rid of AM altogether, make it illegal. no more judgment for getting up past noon.
(DIR) Post #AttIGx4KnSn6QZoSLQ by nicholasr@mastos.online
2025-05-06T21:39:59Z
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@futurebird or just have one time zone for the entire world. #EarthTimeIt would be much easier to communicate and coordinate meetings, events, etc. It would be 2PM / 1400 everywhere