Post AtjWTs7jwvi6dIrThA by zalasur@mastodon.surazal.net
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(DIR) Post #AthbBz2jb1I8KotEOG by existentialcomics@mastodon.social
2025-05-02T18:34:03Z
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Capitalism didn't give us the internet.Large-scale cooperation, open protocols, and free software gave us the internet. Capitalism gave us mobile sites that don't work because fifteen ads cover the screen.
(DIR) Post #AtjRjt6RZrVcX34ZdI by zalasur@mastodon.surazal.net
2025-05-03T00:46:02Z
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@existentialcomics Fun fact: Capitalism *did* try to develop a protocol on top of IP called OSI that was co-developed by a bunch of industry titans at the time. It was complex and bloated with a very proprietary tech stack.It never caught on because of an open protocol that was much simpler overtook it back in the early 80s called TCP.These days the only remnant from the OSI initiative in use today is the "OSI model" used to describe the tech stack for the internet in general.
(DIR) Post #AtjRjtjnDYz6V5Tzxw by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-05-03T23:21:05Z
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@zalasur @existentialcomics pretty sure OSI was not built on top of IP, but in parallel to it. AFAIK it used X.25 for the network layer, i.e. the same role that IP plays in the Internet
(DIR) Post #AtjTjyu4DBFUQiSKXI by kagan@wandering.shop
2025-05-02T19:10:47Z
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@existentialcomics > Large-scale cooperation, open protocols, and free software gave us the internet.Also government. The foundations of the internet started as US government research projects. That's why, to this day, reverse DNS lookups include references to the `in-addr.arpa` domain, with ARPA being the Advanced Research Projects Agency.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.arpaI am no fan of government, but I gotta give them their due on this.(But yes, very much agreed on "not capitalism"! 👍🏻💯)
(DIR) Post #AtjTk0CXNzcMSI6axs by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-05-02T19:37:24Z
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@kaganI feel like govt and capitalism had the same role. They didn't give us the internet, they directed resources via finance. They gave in essence "permission" for the researchers to do their thing. They gave "permission" for people to scale up data centers and lay fiber and etc. They like to take credit. But if permission weren't required wed have the internet instead of browsers and phones that spy on you. The permission holds us back, but is sold as progress@existentialcomics
(DIR) Post #AtjTk1Dza4NLd5nGs4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-05-03T23:43:32Z
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@dlakelan @kagan @existentialcomics It's not just permission, it's also the society's resources.If the scientists and engineers building the internet had to farm their own food, smelt their own copper, and make every single transistors themselves, they wouldn't have any time left in a day to build the internet.Even if we don't credit the person who allocated the resources, let's at least acknowledge the many people who produced them.
(DIR) Post #AtjWTs7jwvi6dIrThA by zalasur@mastodon.surazal.net
2025-05-04T00:14:15Z
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@wolf480pl @existentialcomics OK, that I did not know. Thanks for the clarification!
(DIR) Post #AtjZfHHV3SiVhmYabg by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-05-04T00:49:54Z
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@wolf480plYes, everyone needs to use resources that other people are producing. What government and capitalism do is concentrate control of those resources into the hands of a few who can then take credit for "making" something when they pay for it. Which is just giving permission for those resources to be reallocated in a certain way.So, agreed, but finance isn't creation, as Meta's billions for the metaverse it killed off before ever being used shows.@kagan @existentialcomics
(DIR) Post #AttNn5vbtRCowRsWLg by Phil@freeatlantis.com
2025-05-08T18:24:01Z
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@existentialcomics Sure, its just a coincidence that every advancement that imporved peoples lives in the last hundred years came from capitalist societies.Things likeElectricity,Steam engineselectric appliancesAirplanesCarsAir conditioning.computerscell phonesindoor plumbingFrom socialism? NOTHING.