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(DIR) Post #AtLUTmy7jdEWivxxiq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T09:58:43Z
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Capgras delusion is a psychological disorder where the sufferer will be convinced that people and objects have been replaced with identical imposters. The existence of such a disorder suggests that the way recognize individuals works on multiple levels. It's thought to have a physiological cause. It looks like your mother, but some core authenticity, some deep signal is missing.(Some of the conversations I've had about AI art have made me feel like I have this disorder.)
(DIR) Post #AtLUqNAxnZMLOAjz6W by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:02:45Z
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I sometimes wonder if everyone would show symptoms to an onset of whatever causes the Capgras delusion. It seems like people who have this problem can, sometimes, overcome it by learning how it works and understanding that the way they feel when they see people they care about has radically changed forever, but that need not mean they are seeing imposters. They can intellectualize their way out of the need to accuse people of being "fakes."
(DIR) Post #AtLV8ftUwWmmegIYxU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:06:00Z
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@erosdiscordia It's just that dissonance of seeing something and thinking it's very off-putting and wrong and realizing that many people don't find it off-putting at all. And you can go through the technical details of an image "this is your mother, it has your mother's face, mother's clothing, mother's eyes, it talks like and moves like your mother. What is wrong with you? Why are you screaming?"
(DIR) Post #AtLVCZ4UFfm2eYIF2u by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:06:48Z
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@futurebird what is a disorder in one environment can be a valuable adaptation in another environment.
(DIR) Post #AtLVQ5dCVRSzOsynUu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:09:16Z
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Is it possible to have that second layer of recognition without the first? To *feel* like you recognize something or someone in a particular way... but none of the objective physical cues match?Is that what the kids mean when they say "this gives --- energy?"
(DIR) Post #AtLVz3B9cFDfviX0m8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:15:34Z
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@llewelly I'm kind of fascinated by Capgras delusion because I find it hard to imagine. All evidence points to Jane being Jane. She looks like Jane, she sounds like Jane, she is doing the things Jane has generally done. But, something is missing. (What?) It's serious enough to make people think it's not *really* her. What could that be? Most of case studies make it seem like what is missing is a kind of warm feeling? But, is that the whole story?
(DIR) Post #AtLWX2KZH9gz948mTQ by Tallish_Tom@fosstodon.org
2025-04-22T10:21:41Z
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@futurebird @llewelly Its an historical evolutionary adaptation from the great prehistoric wars against the pod people.
(DIR) Post #AtLWYD1H1KdMaMfu2C by stragu@mastodon.indie.host
2025-04-22T10:21:53Z
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@futurebird @llewelly your post was right next to this post in my timeline and I thought you were responding to it: https://mastodon.art/@pureausten/114381088641277598
(DIR) Post #AtLWZDHjWEdhhMqvIW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:22:07Z
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@llewelly And this relates back to a word that's been an old bugbear for me for a long time: authenticityFew things are as impossible to define as what it is that people are talking about when they say something is, or isn't "authentic" -- In the 00s there was a lot of ink spilled in advertising about finding ways to fake authenticity. It was recognized as this keystone of consumer choice. Our sense of that is authentic is under assault. I wonder what that does to people.
(DIR) Post #AtLWqmlUrGVof29ZNg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-22T10:25:17Z
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@Tallish_Tom @llewelly This is the more fun theory but I think it's just that normally seeing people we care about makes us feel in some positive way and this is good for social bonding. And when that stops working suddenly it is disorienting to various degrees.
(DIR) Post #AtLWx3DabBWhQWHU2K by GreenSkyOverMe@ohai.social
2025-04-22T10:26:23Z
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@futurebird I feel it may be a kind of acquired faceblindness. The ca. 2.5% born with faceblindness face the practical problems, but it doesn’t cause psychological distress directly. The ones who get faceblindness from a brain tumor or brain injury are super upset by not recognizing their relatives. In both cases the relevant brain part is not working or used for something else.
(DIR) Post #AtLY72AjRW4r24Gihc by gregeganSF@mathstodon.xyz
2025-04-22T10:39:22Z
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@futurebird @llewelly You might enjoy this (for some value of “enjoy”)https://reactormag.com/the-nearest-greg-egan/
(DIR) Post #AtLYNmVAxRBxM3ohg8 by kate@aus.social
2025-04-22T10:42:24Z
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@futurebird @llewelly 1950s sci fi worried about this idea of bodysnatching a lot. What if your neighbour who looked exactly like your neighbour was secretly … a communist? Or worse?I found myself thinking about it watching a promotional video in which I actually know one of the three people, but all three seem more plausibly to be AI to me. It’s an aesthetic. The human face AI has been trained on can no longer appear as itself but will now always seem to be the copy.@erosdiscordia @Ammienoot
(DIR) Post #AtLYPQdBFCCY6QLXJg by TerryHancock@realsocial.life
2025-04-22T10:42:44Z
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@futurebird @llewelly Of course, we're just assuming it's a delusion. What if they are right, and their people have been replaced..? 🤨 Yes, I'm joking, but also not. Because really, how do we know? Isn't that mostly just "normalcy bias": it can't be true because we can't explain it?I often think about that: what would it take to convince me that something fundamentally world-breaking was actually happening?
(DIR) Post #AtLZ2DxuGin079XY1I by jannem@fosstodon.org
2025-04-22T10:49:44Z
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@futurebird When we read about this in grad school the consensus seemed to be that what had gone missing was the connection to any emotional reaction (perhaps literally the physical connection).You see Jane. She is a friend so you should feel a little happy seeing her. But the recognition no longer triggers emotional subsystems. You know you *should* get an emotional reaction but you don't. The reason must be that it's not actually her. The part of her that is your reaction is missing.
(DIR) Post #AtLcQwlDfidRrD5Oca by kevinriggle@ioc.exchange
2025-04-22T11:27:48Z
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@futurebird @llewelly I listen a lot to a certain kind of video game content and the people making it have the same relationship to the word “realistic”
(DIR) Post #AtLgn5lhGHynyv7mD2 by Log3overLog2@mathstodon.xyz
2025-04-22T12:16:37Z
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@futurebird Is that déjà vu?
(DIR) Post #AtLlo3OG5X4OfORIPY by bucknam@mastodon.social
2025-04-22T13:12:50Z
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@futurebird as I get older I sometimes feel twinges of this when looking at myself. I see a wrinkled patch of skin. Or a thicker ankle. Or these veins, newly visible, underneath. I think “whose body is this?”
(DIR) Post #AtLqUfrfpaZzyKmCmm by mavu@mastodon.social
2025-04-22T14:05:21Z
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@futurebird i sometimes know i could love or hate someone i just saw for the duration of a blink of an eye, in passing.But i usually attribute that to my very slight face blindness, that makes me sort people into archetypes/groups instead of individuals.But who knows, maybe its a deeper subconscious thing.
(DIR) Post #AtLr2j1wZG77dUoiNE by MishaVanMollusq@sfba.social
2025-04-22T14:11:29Z
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@futurebird or they are unintentionally fate shifting between competing histories and the differerence are enough to be noticeable.Also being very high on THC can emulate thad memory effect
(DIR) Post #AtLwrwoVa4g6vKmDmC by GeoWend@kosmos.social
2025-04-22T15:16:46Z
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@futurebird I think so, yes. (Look at the reincarnation/recognition aspects of new age and other paths. )
(DIR) Post #AtM3fSzRL1mudCsy7k by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-04-22T16:32:59Z
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@futurebird Isn't it just "uncanny valley" in the case of "AI" generated imagery?
(DIR) Post #AtM982tDxNtXqrQPr6 by lffontenelle@mastodon.social
2025-04-22T17:34:09Z
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@futurebird every now and then someone reminds me of someone else, like that. I tend to believe there's something there but I didn't get to see explicitly, like the way the person moves.
(DIR) Post #AtMSNEDxznKGTh53Gi by mattk@hostux.social
2025-04-22T21:09:12Z
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@gregeganSF @futurebird @llewelly this story is, per usual, brilliant. Thank you!