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 (DIR) Post #AtBi0PxzdJNSlPC8XI by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T15:53:00.356411Z
       
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       What's a TIRF
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBi0RFOs4tajgLYJ6 by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
       2025-04-17T16:26:25.898211Z
       
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       @Ezzy new libshit terminology just dropped
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBi0SG96n5PsHhf6m by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:27:00.252359Z
       
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       @dagda ?
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBi0Sh5UcdZDqJB6O by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
       2025-04-17T16:28:49.114156Z
       
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       @Ezzy I only saw it once when some liberal clown was trying to cancel xnfm.Please let's not make this a real world it's so terminally online
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBi0TMD1jWxHNY1CK by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T16:36:19.381645Z
       
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       @dagda @Ezzy TIRF stands for total internal reflection fluorescence. Anything other than that is retarded buzzwording.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBi0U7iB7WnehlxEu by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:38:10.105910Z
       
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       @jimmy @dagda did you know shorthand forms of words can have multiple meanings? The more you know! For example, BTW could mean "by the way" or "Breath of The Wild"Also, the use of an ableist slur really isn't helping your case...
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBi0V7OTmrsk0dDNo by meso@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T16:43:07.386641Z
       
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       @Ezzy @dagda @jimmy BTW could not mean Breath of the Wind because the official shorthand is BOTW
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiV7NIo5Ls4yfigi by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T15:55:58.951328Z
       
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       @Ezzy trans inclusive radical feminist, among other things they falsely believe that trans men are privileged in patriarchy
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiV8P6yqORGsWg9A by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-04-17T15:59:39.266062Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy honestly i think they might be onto something
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiV9hEAyTjHM0f1U by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T16:07:50.063313Z
       
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       @kimapr @Ezzy wild statement frankly đź’€ how many trans men do you know personally?
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiVAOTaB4bRUFCQy by FiringSquadsEnjoyer@social.xenofem.me
       2025-04-17T16:28:20.702161Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy @kimapr it's literally just objectively true that men are privileged under patriarchy, (and trans men are men so obviously are privileged under patriarchy), and the hyperfocus on trans men (who yes, are very evidently better off than trans women) is a completely disingenuous attempt to discredit the feminist cause. It's like claiming feminists specifically hate asian men or black men or jewish men because when asked whether we oppose asian / black / jewish men we answer "yes of course, they come under the umbrella of men and should also be opposed".
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiVB17GVyvNKK3f6 by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T16:36:45.238838Z
       
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       @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @Ezzy   @kimapr trans men are men so obviously are privileged under patriarchypatriarchy does not see them as men. this pseudo inclusive ontological argument of “they are men, and men are privileged” completely ignores their lived reality.who yes, are very evidently better off than trans womeneither learn how to listen to other people’s struggles instead of being self centered on your own or shut the fuck up about it. and the hyperfocus on trans men […] is a completely disingenuous attempt to discredit the feminist causeno, it’s that the transfem isolationism you engage in is the same type of shit as LGB without the T
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiVBbH64uBBTEw1Q by FiringSquadsEnjoyer@social.xenofem.me
       2025-04-17T16:47:52.809779Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy @kimapr > either learn how to listen to other people’s struggles instead of being self centered on your own or shut the fuck up about it. which of trans men or trans women is the british transphobia movement currently having a victory lap celebrating that they are now legally men forever? because the new legal ruling affects both trans men and women, but reactionary forces are currently celebrating how they're going to use it to attack on of these groups specifically and to make their lives hell specifically.and no, women wanting to separate themselves from maleness is not the same as the 'LGB without the T' and its complete radlib horseshoe theory bullshit to even claim it is, so i'll ask again, am I antisemitic for opposing jewish men for being men, am i racist for opposing black men for being men, am i ableist for opposing disabled men for being men?
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiVGfiF0QSugM38K by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-04-17T16:03:53.530497Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy (also i’ve been told that TIRF is a TERF dogwhistle, i’d just call them radfems because TERFs aren’t real feminists)
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBiVH5Ei6qIBqIQuu by FiringSquadsEnjoyer@social.xenofem.me
       2025-04-17T16:35:49.867469Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy @kimapr radical feminism is the opposition not to individual males but to maleness itself, to accuse those opposed to maleness of hating specific individual men is akin to accusing anti racists of hating specific white people. it is a simple fact that disabled men are elevated over disabled women by patriarchy, gay men are elevated over gay women by patriarchy, and trans men are elevated over trans women by patriarchy. The claim that this means feminists hate all disabled men and all gay men etcetera is obviously ridiculous on the face of it, so why assume the same of trans men except as a deliberate attempt at wrecking.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGCSthPFJTcjuAS by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T16:39:15.550309Z
       
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       @Ezzy @dagda Ever got fucking bullied in school? I bet you did. The trick is to NOT BEHAVE LIKE A FUCKING SPED.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGCyRo6U13TV6LQ by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:40:04.007397Z
       
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       @jimmy @dagda I'm so closeKeep calling me a sped~
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGDouf2RzgC307c by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T16:41:41.922406Z
       
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       @Ezzy @dagda Look at that, the fucking sexual deviant subhuman faggot doing its usual thing again. I bet your parents hate you. Well guess what? They're right.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGE0FyrWaFNM3ns by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:42:06.458295Z
       
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       @jimmy @dagda I'm so close, keep going~
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGEh9PNpsOPQJf6 by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T16:46:32.971468Z
       
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       @Ezzy @dagda You'll never have a normal life, you'll never be a happy and well adjusted human being, you'll be miserable for the coming century, trying to find counsel through superfluous and gay-retarded interpersonal relationships that are a fucking lie because you can't make healthy bonds with nobodies you've never met before on the internet. And you'll be nothing more than laughing stock irl, normies that claim to take you seriously and respect you laugh on your back, including friends and family, SPECIALLY family, so be fucking proud, you're nothing more than a product shaped by the degeneracy of society, an byproduct of capitalist decadence, and you're doomed to never grow up above that.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGEuyZytX5HtMDA by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:47:39.855542Z
       
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       @jimmy @dagda oh fffuckkkkPlease I'm so closeGod, keep going
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBjGFQAhzqee2UGps by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T16:55:48.636390Z
       
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       @Ezzy @dagda Writhe in my cage of torments.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBkvOCT4bgRhQG7pA by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
       2025-04-17T16:57:04.081057Z
       
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       @jimmy @Ezzy >asbestos taking reports seriouslywho gonna tell him?
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWi6evMJTjvPfA8 by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T16:49:43.867122Z
       
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       @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @Ezzy @kimapr"radical feminism" (i.e. specifically the belief that the problem is men/manhood rather than the structure of patriarchy) is a meme ideology and has nothing to do with class-conscious, materialist feminismfor the most part it doesn't really matter & i don't have a problem with it, because having those opinions about cis men doesn't actually hurt anyone, cis men are for the most part in a position of power and regarding their maleness as an inherent problem is also ragebait that triggers "mens rights activists" or whatever and that's funny and I'll give that to youthe problem is when you start doing it against trans men and other subgroups of the male gender that hold zero actual power whatsoever in patriarchytransness completely overwrites "male privilege", it's like arguing that a black billionaire holds less power than a white working class person due to their color
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWjXdaXUIBt2iqu by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
       2025-04-17T17:08:18.521445Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @kimapr radical feminism is directly inhereted from proletarian feminism while bourgeois feminism later more or less became the existential/differentialist-feminist position and mainstream second wave. Radical feminism was also closely tied to black liberation and early conceptualizations of intersectional feminism. It got more isolated as a liberation movement mainly by proletarian feminists being somewhat frustrated with new left marxist men. However it still follows a class analysis of why "men bad", often a materialist one.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWkUq2QqJ9Uk080 by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T18:28:37.338706Z
       
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       @dagda @Ezzy @lizzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @kimapr The reason nobody takes feminism seriously is because they allowed pushover women (tools) that are too fucking scared to use violence and are libshit reformists infiltrate the movement. Total burgie scum death, kill all libshits FAGGOTS and capitalists.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWlNmk8nLtuRsm0 by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T18:31:16.559586Z
       
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       @jimmy @Ezzy @dagda @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @kimapr kill yourself
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWmJDIcjSm1JkHo by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-04-17T18:35:13.592076Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy @dagda @jimmy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer the user you are replying to is a chud from a chud instance, ignore unless willing to take pointless psychic damage
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWnOvEstQA0zop6 by VIPPER@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T19:03:24.121622Z
       
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       @kimapr @Ezzy @dagda @jimmy @lizzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer uh xir we are the most tolerant and inclusive instance on all of the fediverse
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuWuVYobMWCd9ids by kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
       2025-04-17T18:35:35.965106Z
       
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       @lizzy @Ezzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @dagda @jimmy oh, an admin of the instance apparently.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBugLFUlL6lkD8eJs by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T19:05:16.784438Z
       
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       @VIPPER @kimapr @Ezzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @dagda @jimmy @lizzy meso is gay, we literally cant be chuds
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBuh5SWxCrr3xai1Y by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T19:05:06.582379Z
       
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       @VIPPER @kimapr @Ezzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @dagda @lizzy Exactly. If you don't fall for the low hanging fruit  you're up for a good time, if you fall for it you're just too retarded and instantly uninteresting to interact with beyond pointing and laughing at.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtBukeZwpv7CqxlFlg by jimmy@new.asbestos.cafe
       2025-04-17T19:05:50.654329Z
       
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       @yomiel @VIPPER @Ezzy @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @dagda @kimapr @lizzy We also have a REAL female here, and from a racial minority. CHECKMATE.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKokBUc7vKrLHIZou by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:09:02.009660Z
       
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       @lizzy @kimapr we don't know what they meant by "they might be onto something", let's give them the benefit of the doubt
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKokCcRwHCIpryLfk by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T16:14:31.913185Z
       
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       @Ezzy @kimapr i'll just leave this here https://transpanic.substack.com/p/transphobia-sexism-transsexism
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKokDIdPQwQwhi2QS by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T16:15:32.234359Z
       
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       @lizzy @kimapr yeah, I agree that it's bad if they did mean trans mascs benefit from the patriarchy but what if they didn't
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKokEBE8Sbtg1FdWC by azalea@woem.space
       2025-04-17T16:22:43.633499Z
       
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       @Ezzy @lizzy @kimapr the whole thing is bait, most “TIRFs” doll has seen dont actually believe trans men have it better than e.g. cis women, they believe trans men have it better than trans women specifically(also “benefit from” as a concept thats relevant here is bait in general, doll doesnt have the energy to fully describe why, but it- it only works in a binary “youre either the oppressor or the oppressed, and everyones either the very top or very bottom” framework, which . i mean thats really illustrated with the transmisandry/“TIRF” discourse huh? basically the whole fucking thing is driven by this framwork)which. when you look at this thread . the immediate pile-on at even the hint that she might agree, rather than e.g. wondering the reasons why shed think that .i mean fuck, y’know?
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKokEsTXfClq9UAvg by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
       2025-04-17T16:28:55.870303Z
       
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       @azalea @Ezzy @kimapr > they believe trans men have it better than trans women specificallysorry but this too is bullshit and trans masc erasure. and yes, I will get mad at people who say that stuff. do not relativize transmasc struggles. it's honestly like trying to decide if black people or trans people have it better. you can fuck right off trying to pit minorities against each otherand most people who believe that shit are completely self centered and don't even care to listen to transmascs when they talk about their issues. my own struggle is the worst one.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKpBljHVZ7VXxJR5c by azalea@woem.space
       2025-04-17T17:11:52.510592Z
       
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       @puppygirlhornypost2 @lizzy @Ezzy In another part of this thread I talked about how a lot of the specific issues they face are hidden away from the public eye while transfeminine issues are amplified.see but this .like what do you mean by “transfem issues”?do you mean like “getting hrt” or like “you get assume-bad-faithed constantly and get Purged if you’re seen as even slightly bad [even in queer communities]”the former is really heavily talked about yeah, but talking about the latter . uh .well doll has seen some entities do it but they get branded as “TIRFs” for itat the VERY least its a fucky “not liking the rules is breaking the rules” situation, even if that somehow is the only rule [doll doubts it] [it doesn’t have as much coherency to feel like it can prove that right now though]
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKpBmcwAddiKZLsq8 by Ezzy@hellspawn.gay
       2025-04-17T17:18:18.346331Z
       
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       @azalea @lizzy @puppygirlhornypost2 transfeminine issues being the focus and pushing transmasc issues asideA lot of transmascs are uncomfortable even on fedi as there isn't a safe space for them like there is for transfem individuals. Most male spaces on the internet are toxic, and it sucks for trans mascs that their only "safe spaces" are with feminine individuals
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKpK4seBlcFG8eggi by lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
       2025-04-17T19:03:28Z
       
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       @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @Ezzy @lizzy @kimaprIt's wild to see such statements in transfem circles.This is an egregious distortion of (radical) feminism. It has never been about "hating/opposing men" (that's meme feminism).Feminism opposes *patriarchy*, which benefits (overwhelmingly cis) men to varying degrees, while hurting people of *all* genders (some more than others).Transfems, of all people, should be acutely aware of how counterproductive it is to oppose (those seen as) men.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKpK5vAJtDyUEqDFg by lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
       2025-04-17T19:03:52Z
       
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       @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @Ezzy @lizzy @kimaprI get the transfem urge to reject maleness entirely, but extending this beyond oneself only causes harm.A good faith argument can be made that patriarchy benefits *some* trans men in *some* ways, but this is at the level of nuance where we'd also talk about how it benefits *some* trans women in *some* ways, as well as how it harms cis men in *some* ways.However, this is a counterproductive focus, as overwhelmingly, patriarchy *harms* the former two.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtKpKDQcPLXjlobvkW by lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
       2025-04-17T19:04:12Z
       
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       @FiringSquadsEnjoyer @Ezzy @lizzy @kimaprAddendum: I hesitated writing this, as "trans women benefit from patriarchy" is constantly used against us, in ways that are absurd and lack any nuance.This is *not* the point I'm making! Trans women are, *overwhelmingly*, harmed by patriarchy.Such discussions need to be extremely careful, but I felt I had to make this parallel, lest trans men get thrown under the bus (they can speak for themselves, but this argument would be weaker from a man).