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(DIR) Post #AsVz2HPd5SNYQZknNg by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:43:39Z
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Murena sells highly insecure devices without basic privacy/security patches or the standard privacy/security model intact. Direct opposite of GrapheneOS in regards to privacy and security. It also lacks the stability and app compatibility of GrapheneOS...https://xcancel.com/gael_duval/status/1905171960138547267
(DIR) Post #AsVz2N9BlUnEDK6kaW by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:43:41Z
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Murena, the company behind /e/OS, heavily pushes using both an insecure OS and services. Their services lack end-to-end encryption and are the opposite of private. People purchasing their devices are making a huge privacy and security sacrifice compared to simply using an iPhone.
(DIR) Post #AsVz2U9Riw9rw9HYSe by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:43:48Z
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Murena misleads people into wrongly believing that GrapheneOS is harder to use as their CEO is doing there. GrapheneOS has far better app compatibility, far better stability and unlike /e/OS is a serious production quality OS keeping up with updates and keeping things working.
(DIR) Post #AsVz2a7XWwCMRyR7K4 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:43:53Z
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/e/OS is a fork of LineageOS, a volunteer developed project focused on broad device compatibility and power user features rather than privacy or security. /e/OS is a security disaster even compared to LineageOS with far longer update delays and far more security regressions.
(DIR) Post #AsVz2g9t57dpAza4oa by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:43:59Z
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Despite all the money Murena makes selling overpriced insecure devices and grifting EU government funds, they aren't even able to keep their non-end-to-end encrypted services up. Those services were recently down from early October until mid-February. That's not remotely serious.
(DIR) Post #AsVz2lWP8pcjoH9d6e by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:53:40Z
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Here's another example of the CEO of Murena replying to a post about GrapheneOS trying to mislead people about it and promote their products:https://xcancel.com/gael_duval/status/1904097790977810458Here's a high quality third party comparison between Android-based operating systems:https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
(DIR) Post #AsVz2rRJ8h70ACodzk by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T16:57:49Z
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Here's another on X:https://xcancel.com/gael_duval/status/1887528529694273590Gaël Duval consistently misleads people about the ease of obtaining GrapheneOS, app compatibility, usability and privacy. These desperate posts on X, Mastodon and elsewhere are a small fraction of it. It's Murena's company policy.
(DIR) Post #AsaDXY3xPHzr2HGDiK by timmygasslander@mastodon.nu
2025-03-27T19:21:57Z
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@GrapheneOS I get the point, graphene os is not available for all devices. But still, that's a real dick move from that guy
(DIR) Post #AsaDXZIApuxkqev5Vo by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-27T19:25:43Z
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@timmygasslander GrapheneOS is available for all devices meeting the security requirements listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. The vast majority of Android devices don't have remotely competitive security with iPhones and Pixels. Most devices fail at providing basic security patches and features. Most also lack serious support for using another OS and require crippling security to use one. /e/OS is highly insecure and massively rolls back privacy/security itself so that doesn't bother them.
(DIR) Post #AsaDXaWOGXvef2ZxJI by Vernee@mastodon.social
2025-03-30T13:31:41Z
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@GrapheneOS @timmygasslander In your opinion, the security system in samsung knox phones is equal to the system titan m2 on pixel devices.Translation text
(DIR) Post #AsaDXbjXl82oQ7jyS0 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T14:19:57Z
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@Vernee @timmygasslander No, it's much worse, and real world data such as https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344-cellebrite-premium-july-2024-documentation backs that up since companies like Cellebrite have far less issue exploiting Samsung devices. They're unable to bypass brute force protection on the Pixel 6 or later / iPhone 12 or later, but they can do it for Samsung devices since they're able to exploit and bypass the secure element. They were eventually able to figure out how to exploit Titan M1 but the Titan M2 has made it longer without it.
(DIR) Post #AsacsMuSZDQZNcqJfc by spyro@fosstodon.org
2025-03-30T10:47:11Z
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@GrapheneOS I've recently become aware of this war between graphene and e/ OS.It's not a good look for either side.What i haven't seen is much in the way of solid evidence.I can say that neither OS has a website worth shit.It took ages to work out if e/ supports my phone, and i still haven't figured out if graphene even works outside a small clique of google handsets. Pull it together both of you. Get along.Thank fuck Mobian is on the rise is all i can say.
(DIR) Post #AsacsNb013SHVYkHya by bjb@fosstodon.org
2025-03-30T14:19:01Z
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@spyro @GrapheneOS "Get along"?
(DIR) Post #AsacsO2eMFZatJgN4i by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T14:23:45Z
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@bjb @spyro The CEO of a company is using their personal, project and corporate accounts to mislead people about GrapheneOS with dozens of posts across different platforms in the past few months. There have been hundreds over the longer term. Hopefully they see it and realize that what they're doing is counterproductive. Overall, they've done the opposite of promoting their products. We don't have products to sell and most people who support us want to be informed that this is happening.
(DIR) Post #AsacsOdAAUmQiYlWzI by spyro@fosstodon.org
2025-03-30T19:17:32Z
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@GrapheneOS @bjb i literally replied into this thread, precisely because it is exactly what you accuse your opponents of. Stop trashing them with comments like 'insecure is' etc.Anyone can accused any project of being insecure. So stop going on about them, and tell us why, in detail, you feel your project is better. Post your developments, improvements, and findings about YOUR OWN OS.There are plenty of other actors who will trash e/OS for you, if it's so awful as you claim.
(DIR) Post #AsacsOxMxMwXjEDfU0 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:19:22Z
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@spyro @bjb > i literally replied into this thread, precisely because it is exactly what you accuse your opponents of. We've done nothing of the kind. We haven't made any false claims. Everything we've posted about it is accurate and verifiable. You can read about the widely acknowledged insecurity of /e/OS from many reliable sources.> Stop trashing them with comments like 'insecure is' etc.We're warning people against using something unsafe that's promoted with false marketing.
(DIR) Post #AsadyijKS4fYkMEGhc by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:21:52Z
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@spyro @bjb > Anyone can accused any project of being insecure. /e/OS is objectively highly insecure. It doesn't provide the current Android privacy and security patches. It doesn't keep basic parts of the privacy and security model intact. It's not an accusation but rather factual information about it which you can confirm from many sources.> So stop going on about them, and tell us why, in detail, you feel your project is better. GrapheneOS is in an entirely different space anyway.
(DIR) Post #Asadyjui3FMoPwYs52 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:24:45Z
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@spyro @bjb > Post your developments, improvements, and findings about YOUR OWN OS.Nearly everything we post in our timeline is about GrapheneOS. The thread you're responding to is about GrapheneOS. It's a response to years of attacks on it from Gaël Duval, /e/OS and Murena project/corporate accounts where they keep making misleading and false claims about it across platforms along with personal attacks on our team including fabricated stories aimed at directing harassment towards them.
(DIR) Post #AsadykxaA3G7f8ugCG by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:25:51Z
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@spyro @bjb > There are plenty of other actors who will trash e/OS for you, if it's so awful as you claim./e/OS are the ones targeting GrapheneOS with highly inaccurate claims and spin for years. You're getting angry with us for posting a single thread responding to months of their attacks on us. We only linked a few of their posts on X but could also link dozens on Mastodon, their forum and elsewhere. We may respond to more of it. We'll see if they stop or continue doing it first.
(DIR) Post #AsadyluQdGKYbeRfv6 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:27:29Z
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@spyro @bjb /e/OS is not a hardened OS. It does not substantially improve privacy and security compared to the Android Open Source Project like GrapheneOS but rather substantially reduces both. They do not provide users with the current privacy and security patches and do not keep basic parts of the security model like verified boot or the full standard app sandbox intact. It's a misconception that they're at all similar or working on the same things. We are not working towards the same things.
(DIR) Post #AsadymZu93VWgHqnZI by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:29:55Z
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@spyro @bjb We recommend the third party comparison between Android-based operating systems at https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm as a starting point to understand how vastly different they are.This is the data shown about updates for /e/OS there:> Security update speed (AOSP subset of ASB)>1-2 months, sometimes longer> Full patches on fully supported devices> Many months to over a yearNearly all the devices they support are far more behind than this. This is the best case for devices like Pixels.
(DIR) Post #AsadynF1gAOujp5dfE by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T19:32:25Z
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@spyro @bjb Do you disagree that providing patches for known, public privacy and security vulnerabilities is part of the bare minimum for protecting user privacy and security? It is not something advanced or only relevant to protecting against sophisticated attacks. It's basic privacy and security protection which every user should be provided from all of the software they use without major delays.It's not ethical for devices with such severe privacy problems to be marketed as highly private.
(DIR) Post #AscKvkTI0mS0SvW3eq by spyro@fosstodon.org
2025-03-30T22:02:26Z
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@GrapheneOS @bjb of course i think security patches should timely. But two projects tearing each other down is not what i want to see. If what you claimed is true, then simply be the bigger project.Let the third party sites make the comparisons.You said earlier that you don't see your project in the same space as e/OS. So why rise to the bait, if that is what you think their project is doing?
(DIR) Post #AscKvksSVCaFizI9tA by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T22:17:04Z
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@spyro @bjb > But two projects tearing each other down is not what i want to see. They're selling people highly insecure devices which are presented as something they're really not and through that harming them. We are not on the same side as them.> So why rise to the bait, if that is what you think their project is doing?They're harming GrapheneOS with their inaccurate claims about it and fabricated stories about our team. We're showing them that there will be a cost to them doing it.
(DIR) Post #AscKvlpIyPegfUp9c0 by spyro@fosstodon.org
2025-03-31T09:33:29Z
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@GrapheneOS @bjb > They're harming GrapheneOS with their inaccurate claims about it and fabricated stories about our team. We're showing them that there will be a cost to them doing it.Well, speaking as someone watching from the outside (I have an e/OS device, but I'm not affiliated with them, and I'm well aware of it's nature)...It doesn't look like that is what you are doing. It looks like you are badmouthing another project.If you want to do as you claim, then you link to1\2
(DIR) Post #AscKvm5xySyzVAcSa8 by spyro@fosstodon.org
2025-03-31T09:37:52Z
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@GrapheneOS @bjbtheir content (or a copy, if it keeps changing / moving), and you use non-inflammatory language to demonstrate the issue.What you don't do is get into a name-calling match.Here's the difference:Wrong:"e/OS developers are hawking insecure crap and we're oh so much better. And they insulted my mum!"Right:"GrapheneOS doesn't suffer from <link to info about a flaw in e/OS> - we've put a lot of effort into this, see <link to description of work> to get it right for users!"
(DIR) Post #AscKvmqPBo85pCLXxw by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-31T15:01:20Z
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@spyro @bjb We don't need input from /e/OS supporters into why we shouldn't response to years of attacks on us from /e/OS and criticize with accurate and factual content as we've done here. You are not going to convince us to stop posting that kind of content about it. You're only going to encourage us to post much more of it with your highly biased replies in support of people who effectively scammed you.Convince the people who have made years of attacks on us to stop doing it bothering us.
(DIR) Post #AscKvqniTkM6617SKW by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-03-30T22:19:24Z
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@spyro @bjb The smart thing to do on their part would be seeing that we're going to defend ourselves and respond to the attacks, and cutting out lying about GrapheneOS to promote their products. The alternative is that we'll publish more threads with more details, a detailed article on our site and our community will start actively countering their marketing.We aren't taking any bait but rather we're defending ourselves and calling out a scam.
(DIR) Post #AsciLNJF32Qt6Y0Mlc by grillchen@brotka.st
2025-03-31T19:32:01.769954Z
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@spyro @GrapheneOS i agree it isnt a good look. but grapheneos uses factual arguments while e/os just uses "trust me bro"