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(DIR) Post #AsSHvNgDObCZLTyg1A by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T18:48:59Z
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"Despite international efforts since the 1970s, carbon emissions have continued to rise. As the World Inequality Report reveals, nearly half of historical emissions occurred after 1990."
(DIR) Post #AsSIDkqC1SxOOGPECe by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T18:52:16Z
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An interesting article on #degrowth, raising good points on the issues that it needs to tackle when it comes to developing countries in the Global South. Should they also be "degrowthed"?https://theconversation.com/the-degrowth-movement-envisions-global-climate-justice-but-must-adapt-to-global-south-realities-238276
(DIR) Post #AsSIRSz7Cx9J457M7U by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T18:54:47Z
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I don't have a clear opinion what should be done here, what should be the degrowth's answer. But for sure the Global South should not be *told* what to do, as this way it would be just colonialism 2.0.
(DIR) Post #AsSJPpQosck03crJp2 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T19:05:41Z
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Should poorer countries do the same things as the rich ones that significantly overshoot the planet's resources? Of course not. I think that a large part of the issue here is the definition of growth and degrowth.*Very imho*, if a country grows, but in a way that is beneficial to all their citizens, and does not harm nature, that can still be in line with degrowth values. Degrowth, the way I see it, is against the traditional view on growth, as in "more money, more consumption, more abuse"
(DIR) Post #AsSJZ2AwrqK8BkpCrI by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T19:07:21Z
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Oh man, I need to sort out my thoughts on this and write a longer blog post
(DIR) Post #AsSJwAn900vzZTixU0 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T19:11:32Z
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I still believe that degrowth is the only possible answer for the future for the very simple fact that we cannot have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources. What do you think?
(DIR) Post #AsSLJ01rHSVgo23T3A by carapace@mastodon.social
2025-03-26T19:26:49Z
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@stfn The idea that "degrowth" is somehow bad for poor nations is a misunderstanding, a failure of communication.First, economic "growth" that destroys Earth's life support system is a false victory, an "own goal". It's not growth at all, it's destruction.
(DIR) Post #AsSLugffhWMplyeFQO by chewie@mammut.gogreenit.net
2025-03-26T19:33:35Z
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@stfn Absolutely, but it's difficult.Why should we (the west) tell other countries they aren't allowed to have cars, computers, Air Con, nice houses etc?We need to lead by example and show how our short-termism has created this mess.This isn't going to happen as there is too much inequality in the western countries, and poorer portions of our own population also want what the more well-off already have.I don't know what the answer is, other than "we're already fucked so it's too late".Man that's depressing, sorry 😢 That won't stop me trying my best personally though.....
(DIR) Post #AsSMHn8Dqa4gTD1Gjo by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T19:37:51Z
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@chewie It is depressing, true, but here is the place for solarpunk"We are solarpunks because the only other options are denial or despair."Making a good example is one of the very few tools we have.
(DIR) Post #AsSMZi8f9JZ0CIloAa by carapace@mastodon.social
2025-03-26T19:27:49Z
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@stfn Second, ecologically harmonious living is less costly and provides opportunities for economic production. E.g. a vermicomposting toilet converts sewage into valuable soil amendment and more worms (a salable livestock.)It's almost always cheaper, healthier, and more productive to work with nature rather than against.
(DIR) Post #AsSMZjNEYcoU1maxWK by carapace@mastodon.social
2025-03-26T19:34:32Z
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@stfn Third, ecology is a science and its applications are technology. "Degrowth" is an advancement of civilization, not a regression.There's a video (I'll try to find it) about a small multi-village region in India where they analyzed water flow using satellite imagery (etc.) and dug a single tunnel from here to there and now all the water that used to drain away every year is instead directed to a place where is soaks in, and the whole region is revitalized. High-tech harmony with nature.
(DIR) Post #AsSMZkV4MyfvWNGjNA by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T19:41:04Z
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@carapace Thank you for your replies, very good points."It's almost always cheaper, healthier, and more productive to work with nature rather than against."One of my fav simple examples of this is the Scott vs Amundsen journey in the Antarctic. Scott used (IIRC) vehicles, Amundsen used dogs.
(DIR) Post #AsSMaXWW6NwpZ3K4vo by carapace@mastodon.social
2025-03-26T19:39:29Z
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@stfn Here's the video I was thinking of (I think): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDMnbeW3F8AI suspect that the only people who want us to think that "degrowth" will suck are the people who make money selling things that mess up the environment. (It is an unfortunate neologism though.)
(DIR) Post #AsSMbKrodz6GbIfHQu by stfn@fosstodon.org
2025-03-26T19:41:23Z
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@carapace thanks, will watch it
(DIR) Post #AsSMpnBIAZ4CTAfUBc by chewie@mammut.gogreenit.net
2025-03-26T19:43:56Z
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@stfn Definitely!There's some interesting conversations on the Lemmy instance https://slrpnk.net on similar topics, which I joined recently.
(DIR) Post #AsSO39ipm1uy68IF6W by markhburton@mstdn.social
2025-03-26T19:57:32Z
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@stfn "For degrowth to succeed, its advocates must formulate concrete proposals that address these global dependencies without exacerbating inequalities or harming the most vulnerable."Isn't that what many #degrowth proponents have been doing?