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(DIR) Post #AsA33EzB5YcMJudaGe by louis@ingenthron.social
2025-03-17T22:23:15Z
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@freemo Most of what you're describing happened before half the electorate graduated from high school, so I kind of doubt it was a major factor.But, yeah, I think a lot of the reason why he was considered a moderate was because he had mostly extremely mainline liberal views but "moderated" them with a few extreme right-wing views.
(DIR) Post #AsA33G1LEzwVWuepHM by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-17T22:26:36Z
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@louis Moderate doesnt mean taking radical views from both sides and having a mix and match of radicalism... You dont become moderate because you support slavery AND communism at the same time. Moderates are people where all their views are balanced and well reasoned, considering nuance and argument from both sides, and generally means your stance is one that is in disagreement with both sides, finding the non-radical moderate reasonable solutions down the line.
(DIR) Post #AsA34Cv0GCvgCL965g by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-17T23:37:41.996284Z
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@freemo @louis ...even if it's "extreme" in the current political context
(DIR) Post #AsACzYC8j8IGHNZyzI by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T00:23:48Z
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@amerika One thing i realize about this discussion, and I may do a write up, is how people, most people in fact, cant really see the world in absolute terms, only in relative terms. Like if the democrats were acting this way 20 years ago when republicans were actually acting somewhat rational I bet even your most staunch democrat would say the democrats have went completely radical and were acting like lunatics. But when it sits next tot he republicans who are just as loony they seem reasonable and normal.The fact that most people base what is acceptable based on relativity to the norm, rather than an absolute sense of reason is scary, and perhaps one of our biggest flaws.(note: no offense to Louis, while he may have resembled some of that here generally he is a pretty reasonable and respectable feller).@louis
(DIR) Post #AsAO7OUjm4M60XDkwK by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T03:33:35.410490Z
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@freemo @louis "people, most people in fact, cant really see the world in absolute terms, only in relative terms."1. Frame of reference, overton window2. Basic human inflexibility, fiction-absoluteMost humans operate only to feel positive sensations about their past choices. This is why they go crazier as they age.In politics, they accept certain precedents as necessary and defend them. Only when they perish, like the dying hippies, do we move forward :)
(DIR) Post #AsAOGLMQnOTytUbSXw by louis@ingenthron.social
2025-03-18T00:28:06Z
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@freemo @amerika I agree with most of that. We're all a product of our history and experiences. Most of Europe would describe your definition of "moderate" to be "conservative", while in Texas, you'd be a commie, so it's all about frame of context.
(DIR) Post #AsAOGyy1XYj5jNUX3Y by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T03:35:19.471034Z
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@louis @freemo Europe/USA went far Left during the wars
(DIR) Post #AsAOIxlWyiokaFanA0 by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T00:35:51Z
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@louis For sure, but I think its more than that, even if you had the experience to have been here 20 years ago to see it and had that experience you still are unlikely to agree with me. Its in your historic experience but still doesn't inform you to normalcy. In a sense its not our totality of experiences, it is just where we are in the moment for most of us that we use to judge what is acceptable.@amerika
(DIR) Post #AsAOLKdSv4i85nwvUu by louis@ingenthron.social
2025-03-18T00:52:05Z
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@freemo @amerika I mean, I grew up in a Republican household. I voted for both parties through to the Obama era while donating to libertarian policy groups. I only finally registered as a Dem on January 7th 2021.So, I definitely see what you're talking about, in general. I just see the dems as being only like 20-30% as radicalized as their opposition, and their radicalization is mostly oppositional. Remove the dictator and give him proper due process and dems will de-radicalize naturally.
(DIR) Post #AsAOLM4RaFswXlZzBg by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T03:36:05.310631Z
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@louis @freemo The Dems are openly advocating socialism.They are inherently far-Left and that's why we throw them out of helicopters.
(DIR) Post #AsAOge3Lv9KiOdDkkS by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T03:39:57.220682Z
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@louis @freemo Context:* Right = order* Left = individualism(see: Haidt's research)Far-Left would thus be anarchy and communism, and Far-Right would be monarchism and social Darwinism.Hitler barely makes it into the right column.Moderate is libertarian with some kind of cultural element.
(DIR) Post #AsAOwMutOwtTsjlGQS by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T03:42:48.259471Z
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@louis @freemo The problem with extreme Rightism is that you cannot argue against it, biologically.If I say, "gas the poor," we have a formula for more wealthy/intelligent people.
(DIR) Post #AsAP6MV7nkfvUMTRL6 by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T03:44:36.687444Z
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@louis @freemo And similarly, if I say we should gas anyone more liberal than a Hoppeian, society suddenly gets "unstuck" from where it has been for the past couple centuries.Also lower mutation load and higher sanity.
(DIR) Post #AsBK5QdWdR4VPd6BCC by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T14:04:22Z
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@amerika Well no you can argue against it. When you gas the poor, since being poor is not unlinked from the environment you arent producing less poor people since society changes.For example someone might be poor int he USA but that same person if they were in europe might not be poor, because the kind of person they are would thrive in one environment but not the other.One could just as easily (and wrongly) argue that if you gas all the rich you will make society better because the poor people would now be able to thrive and become the rich themselves, and create an environment where poor people thrive and thus are eliminated.The truth is, breeding doesnt work like that. You can breed specific traits that are easily measures (like height) but complex things like being poor you cant just breed out by directly killing the poor, you'd have to understand the underlying problems and fix those, which are unlikely to be genetic in nature.@louis
(DIR) Post #AsBK9jFJO5LkHqp71U by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T14:23:53.651574Z
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@freemo @louis No, they're likely genetic in nature. Poor = dumber, generally.If you gas the poor, you get smarter people.I am not concerned with Europe, only making my own society thrive.Most traits are heritable, and intelligence traits certainly are.
(DIR) Post #AsBL6vw5qkDkjJ46EK by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T14:28:50Z
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@amerika > No, they're likely genetic in nature. Poor = dumber, generally.No basis in reality for that what soever. People with low IQ generally can learn all sorts of high skilled labour jobs and make money just fine. The vast majority of the poor tend to be veterans who have severe mental health issues arrising from lack of mental health access combined with abuse expiernced during their service. Again something you wont see in countries that treat their people better and provide good vet services and mental health access.Im not saying you should be concerned with europe. The point is societies change, and american can change in ways that would stop poor people from being an issue because it isnt a genetic problem to begin with but a societal one.Its like sitting there punching people in the face and then when they start to flinch trying to blame genetic and then thinking if you kill off all the people that flinch then you wont have people flinching anymore. Frankly, its a pretty idiotic viewpoint.@louis
(DIR) Post #AsBL6yRiW8hmVxsNnc by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T14:34:05.289613Z
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@freemo @louis We have scientific proof of the genetic basis of intelligence.Maybe poor people can do some jobs, but anyone else can do those too.Lose the people we do not need.Gas the poor.It's the only way forward.
(DIR) Post #AsBNQcJqh6CVaagqzw by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T14:54:54Z
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@amerika > We have scientific proof of the genetic basis of intelligence.At no point did I suggest there is no genetic basis to intelligence. I stated there is no genetic basis for being poor, and that poor is not determined primarily by intelligence.Considering your response suggests low intelligence, as you didnt understand what I said, sounds like you need to be gassed. I'm willing to use you as the test subject for your proposed solution.@louis
(DIR) Post #AsBNQcxYJTxZZjGYsq by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T15:00:31.080184Z
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@freemo @louis Poor correlates to low intelligence, as noted elsewhere (The Bell Curve, among others).
(DIR) Post #AsBQD9oXfBirHSJuSG by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T15:10:01Z
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@amerika Again, this is a low intelligence response. Correlation does not imply causation, one of the fundamental logical fallacies.@louis
(DIR) Post #AsBQDATJDcKfJtOSzw by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com
2025-03-18T15:31:44.449365Z
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@freemo @amerika @louis Hold on did this thread start out as an old-style argument between a relatively normal republican and a relatively normal democrat?:kanna_inspect: This is like a living relic, it's so rare to see left and right wing people inhabit the same spaces on the internet nowadays.
(DIR) Post #AsBQQmv9Zq5yKeucZk by Mamako@poa.st
2025-03-18T15:34:13.822872Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @amerika @louis @freemo Thread improved
(DIR) Post #AsBQgiowaaBGFVbc48 by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T15:36:35Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating I dont think so. Who is the democrat here and who is the republican? I am staunchly anti-democrat and anti-republican party and while their current lunacy makes that divide particularly far even 20 years ago I would have opposed either party, albeit less so. Im generally centrist with a very slight left lean. No party would be a close fit to my ideals but you had to describe it I'm something like 40% libertarian 20% old-democrat, 10% old republican, 30% views contrary to all parties.@amerika @louis
(DIR) Post #AsBQhiauupndpxWHoG by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com
2025-03-18T15:37:16.535059Z
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@freemo @amerika @louis Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding then. Carry on with your day.
(DIR) Post #AsBQqBiAXkXwSTwzVA by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com
2025-03-18T15:38:48.784566Z
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@freemo @amerika @louis There was this like really small flickering of hope that lefty and righty people were actually talking in a halfway respectful manner.Kinda snuffed that out.
(DIR) Post #AsBRsodQtgeBi9YHvk by Mamako@poa.st
2025-03-18T15:50:30.141115Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @amerika @louis @freemo Both sides of the same Jew
(DIR) Post #AsBTZbuQBhdkeGT5v6 by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T15:40:20Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating To be fair I may not be a righty, but as far as democrats are concerned (usually) even a centrist is a nazi. So I think your assessment still has some truth to it.@amerika @louis
(DIR) Post #AsBU4OqApHXL5uA9po by louis@ingenthron.social
2025-03-17T20:15:59Z
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I will never understand why some Democrat elected politicians think that Democrat voters elected them to vote against the Democrats."The GOP are winning elections across the country by actually opposing their opponents?Let's do the exact opposite of that winning strategy for no apparent reason!"#uspol
(DIR) Post #AsBU4PvAoB88RhVfGa by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-17T20:17:30Z
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@louis I totally vote for democrats specifically when I think they will vote against other democrats... I rarely vote for republicans but do the same there. I vote for people who vote for what is right, not what is popular.
(DIR) Post #AsBUIrzPFQu5YINhGC by meowski@fluf.club
2025-03-18T16:17:35.100800Z
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@louis GOP is winning because everyone is sick of your corruption and histrionics and gaslighting. it's not that you're failing to oppose your supposed enemy hard enough. it's actually the opposite. you're in a cult. you oppose common sense just because your enemy holds a certain position
(DIR) Post #AsBcFqRtJoHbXSm10S by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T17:46:41.373877Z
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@freemo @louis Not correct when there is no other plausible cause.Direct correlation is causation in the absence of other explanations.
(DIR) Post #AsBsjbaQjsyrOkyprU by freemo@qoto.org
2025-03-18T17:51:09Z
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@amerika Not only are there **lots** of other plausible causes (of just one I gave you), you havent even explained the direction of causation.A very simple explanation (again among many possible ones) is that being poor causes low intelligence rather than low intelligence causing one to be poor. If you are poor you wont get proper nutrition or education, both of which results in lower intelligence. That said youre extremely low-intelligence answers are doing a remarkably good job at convincing me we should exterminate you at least, so you are least making a convincing argument, even if it isnt the argument you intended to make.@louis
(DIR) Post #AsBsjcgUepQOnqpBx2 by amerika@annihilation.social
2025-03-18T20:51:16.832970Z
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@freemo @louis No, this is an obvious lie, since intelligence cannot be changed.Here, let us put some sources out there:https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1998generalintelligencefactor.pdfhttps://gwern.net/doc/iq/ses/2003-gottfredson.pdfhttps://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2004schools&g.pdfhttps://ia803201.us.archive.org/29/items/5113-2-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations-by-richard-lynn-tatu-vanhanen/%235113_2_IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations_by_Richard_Lynn%2C_Tatu_Vanhanen.pdfhttps://archive.org/details/bell_curve-epubYour reasoning is typical Leftism: reject biology and Darwinism, embrace the assumption of egalitarianism and argue inverted causality as a result.